It's all about control. Every single movement Apple makes or word they speak is carefully choreographed. They want to control every single aspect of your experience with them, and controlling whose parts you use is 1000% the goal.
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Oregon's New Right to Repair Law Bans 'Parts Pairing' Restrictions
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including basic jobs like brake pad replacements from a recent article....
While there will always be upsides and downsides to legislation like this, I can’t help but think people using it to repair their phones with new/used parts with less hassle will be way more common than that scenario.
You can’t always choose the worst case outcome of something and make a decision based on that. Example: cars are allowed on roads, but people can be run over if they are crossing the street! Therefore cars should be outlawed…? Apple will always prey on these fears to get the outcome of what they want, and without sugarcoating it, it all comes down to profits.
There are plenty of smart people who work at Apple who can figure out a way to work around this new law while protecting the privacy and security of its users. Apple likely just prefers the more restrictive way because, again, profits.
Simply letting you know parts have been replaced, OEM or not, is an example. It wouldn’t be a scare-screen saying the parts are not genuine, or features are now restricted, just an automated screen simply stating parts have been replaced. Maybe even a section in Settings that shows the history of replaced parts for peace of mind and reference for the user.
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I'm done caring about when people complain about how they can't find products that are reliable, secure or private anymore. We used to have that, then a bunch of atechnical populists thought they could build a better mousetrap through legislation.
If you force everyone to use the same design practices and business model as Dell, everything is going to be about as good as a Dell.
If you force everyone to use the same design practices and business model as Dell, everything is going to be about as good as a Dell.
Yet a reason I never get third party parts or repair, Sorry but I am not replacing a part that can affect the security of my device with direct hardware access.
This results in really nothing positive for anyone. Can't wait for drunk-uncles to goof up phones and install double A batteries. Taking the rights away from companies is no batter than taking my rights to buy what I want. As electronics get smaller and more miniaturized this bill looks even more ridiculous. Of all the important issues - they act on this? Silliness. But I'm glad more people can be taken advantage of by folks with no background or ability to buy proper parts.
why do I feel as if Apple will overcome such challenges in the long-term with more parts becoming integrated - aka there are less components that can be removed for repair?
It seems to me that the pathway of overall size reduction in devices does in part include eliminating all the space taken up by connecting components together.
It seems to me that the pathway of overall size reduction in devices does in part include eliminating all the space taken up by connecting components together.
consumers gain nothing from this. folks who want to pretend to be electronic experts who screw up phones will benefit. and taking rights away from how a company does business in a way where they care about the device and how it works, helps no one. But drunk-uncles who think they are experts will have a ball...destroying phones.
There are parts of the entire security apparatus of the system that rely on an encrypted handshake between parts at the factory.
Nothing that interacts with the Secure Enclave can be both user replaceable AND secure. That’s just a technical reality of it.
When it comes to screens or batteries sure let them get replaced. I’ve done dozens for friends and family over the years.
Anything related to biometrics or audio-in I don’t want compromised on the alter of good intentions.
In the auto-industry you can use 3rd party parts but it only affects the warranty on related items. e.g. A car manufacturer cannot void your engine warranty for fitting a 3rd party radio without PROVING that the radio caused your engine to fail. It's easier for them to void your engine warranty for fitting a third-party turbo charger, or engine management software because they directly affect the part that fails. In truth though is that it depends on the situation and it may take months to argue your case which hurts you more than the automaker.
By similar argument, just because you fit a non-OEM replacement display, they shouldn't be able to void your logic board warranty unless they can PROVE that the display or (how it was installed) that led to the failure.
The truth of it will be 'it depends'. I just wouldn't hold out too much hope for arguing your iPhone repair because these are low value items that no-one is likely to go litigation over. It will be easy for Apple to just say no, wait for the class action, settle with the lawyers and get back to business!
The problem is there’s no seriously accurate database on stolen products.
You're just not fully appreciating the life cycle of these electronics, and the opportunities said life opens up for bad actors.
Repair shops using third party parts that are not OEM is the bane of a great many products.
Getting some Brexit vibes... what if Apple just stopped selling in Oregon?
The common cry of "saving money" is often an empty promise.
Third party parts and questionable certification(s) are the road to entropy taking over an entire product category.
All we have to do is look at "durable" home goods, and doing so one will discover why a wrench bought in 1970 from Sears is still working as a fine tool but some super-cheap wrench off of Amazon rusts after one year.
The belief that cheaper-is-better is one of those religious beliefs held by contemporary Americans.
Better is better.
Cheaper is cheaper.
Third party parts and questionable certification(s) are the road to entropy taking over an entire product category.
All we have to do is look at "durable" home goods, and doing so one will discover why a wrench bought in 1970 from Sears is still working as a fine tool but some super-cheap wrench off of Amazon rusts after one year.
The belief that cheaper-is-better is one of those religious beliefs held by contemporary Americans.
Better is better.
Cheaper is cheaper.
Not going to happen.
But Apple prices for everyone may go up a little bit, as Apple banks billions of dollars for future lawsuits.
I support right to repair. I support access to genuine parts and having the choice to use non-genuine ones if desired. I think parts pairing may possibly boost security and curb the harvesting of parts from stolen products. But I also think it would be clever and innovative if Apple could provide these benefits without restricting the freedom to repair. If that were to happen then this bill would be beneficial I think.
I own almost all the Apple products. It would be kinda nice to be able to swap a better logic board into my Apple Silicon MacBook Pro after a couple years since the specs are non-upgradable. As I understand parts pairing restricts my ability to do that.
I own almost all the Apple products. It would be kinda nice to be able to swap a better logic board into my Apple Silicon MacBook Pro after a couple years since the specs are non-upgradable. As I understand parts pairing restricts my ability to do that.
The NSA thanks Oregon for making things so extremely easy for them!
If a repair shop is allowed to use non-Apple parts for repairs on Apple products, then they should be required to remove the Apple logo from the device. A device with an Apple logo containing non-Apple certified internals is misleading.
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What right does Oregon have to mandate anyone continue to offer obsolete parts for 10 yr old computers when some of those parts can’t even be manufactured anymore.
I agree with and like right to repair but I think that a users repair should void an Apple warranty.
This shouldn't be an issue since Apple will repair it if it's under warranty.
This shouldn't be an issue since Apple will repair it if it's under warranty.
Not how the warranty works.
The complete warranty can not nor should it be voided if a 3rd party part is used. The only part of the warranty void from the OEM is on the part replaced. The other parts of the warranty can be void if and only if the non OEM part caused the damage and it is on the OEM to provide it.
Part of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. You do not want what you listed to ever happen. The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act was put in place due to bull shot warranty denials.
WELL ACKSHULLY, if you read the law, farm equipment, air conditioning units, and vehicles are EXEMPT. Soooooo yea
Do you have a source for this?
For example a battery replacement costs $100. At the scale Apple orders batteries, I can’t imagine the part itself costs more than a few bucks. Then there’s the labor for paying the tech, and the rest is pure profit. I’d imagine a lot of it.
Edit: I do agree with you that their policies are based on control but profit plays an equally important rationale on everything Apple does.
Theft is the problem When you see all those YouTube repair videos. 90% at least are from stolen sources.
"RIGHT TO REPAIR?" OR "THE RIGHT TO STEAL?"
"RIGHT TO REPAIR?" OR "THE RIGHT TO STEAL?"
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Why would farm equipment and air conditioners get an exemption?