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The pencil is my favorite Apple thing in years, but I am fine with my gen 1. Kind of glad Apple priced these for people who would make a living using them, because it makes it a lot easier to skip the upgrade (I am talking more about the iPad Pro pricing rathe than the pencil which on edu discount is $119).

Enjoy your gen 2 pencils everyone.
 
I love Apple products and have been using them since I was at college in '89 but I'm in a real bind! It's getting to the point where they are just pricing me out the market. I make a reasonably good salary, I don't have any kids so have no outgoings to consider from that respect and would say I have a pretty good disposable income compared to those with children.

I have spent a small fortune over the years on Apple products and probably owned a good 90% of the stuff they have brought out but I have concluded that I can no longer sustain at the current price levels. I understand that prices go up over the years but in the last few years, it's no longer about inflation just significant price increases by Apple themselves.

The MacBook Pro 15" for example, which is always my main machine, now costs £2700 (512GB is non negotiable, 256GB just doesn't cut it in this day and age)...we're knocking on the £3K mark and that's a huge amount of cash.

Sigh....I have to agree with many others that I think Apple is now getting greedy and I really do believe that it's going to come back and bite them hard in the next few years.

That sucks you won't be able to continue to buy 90% of Apples product line. #1stworldproblems.

Of note, I just bought a MBP 15, ended up just short of $4k. The 27" iMac I bought in 2011 was around $3.5k, and the MBP I bought in 2006 was right over or right under $3k, can't remember. So like a $600-$800 increase in cost over the last 12 years.
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I’m mostly happy with the switch to USB-C on the new iPad - that means I’d probably be in the market for a new pencil anyway seeing as there is no longer a lightning port to charge the new pencil. And I genuinely do not want any more adaptors.

The price increase does sting...

I love the charging process for the new pencil... but I prefer the feel of the Apple Pencil 1.

What I’d REALLY love now is a non-glass, matte screen protector to create a paper-like texture while using the pencil.


https://paperlike.com
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I came to comment the same thing. If loyalty is important this is a bad move. Backward compatibility for what is basically a new product is unforgivable. If I upgrade I won’t be getting a pencil on principle and I won’t be upgrading this year because of this. Until I found this out I was planning to upgrade for Christmas. #AppleArrogance

You'll show Apple!
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Exactly, there's no reason to prevent the old Pencil from working with the new iPads.



Yeah, but Apple has offered backward compatible adapters for plenty of other transitions. Indeed, the Gen 1 Pencil came with an adapter to charge the pencil on regular Lightning cable. So the adapter is not a problem for anyone already using an old Pencil. And there's no reason why Pairing has to work any differently over the Port. The software was already in place to permit it on the old iPad, so just leave it in place as an alternate means of pairing. And there's no need to provide instructions of what to do if software doesn't receive an instruction like a double tap. It's not like the double-tap is the only way to activate something -- if anything the double tap is an addition to supporting the original base behavior. And it wouldn't be the first time Apple had to address deficiencies in older hardware with their operating system. iOS literally has to deal with that on every single device it runs on.

Seriously, the only reason to limit compatibility is to sell new Pencils.

Likewise, there's really no reason why the New Pencil couldn't be backward compatible as well, though it's understandable why they wouldn't want to support that considering the changes.


No one likes spending more but they made the right call with the separation. The new pencil is light years better than the old one. I'll bet usage goes through the roof. It is always there and always charged. If you have a 1st gen pencil, do yourself a favor and give it and your old iPad to the kids! You deserve it!
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Combine that with the offensive degradation of the quality and usefulness of their products. The asinine emoji bar, the soldered-in drives and RAM (in glued-together computers), the POS keyboards that don't just suck from their lack of travel but cease to function altogether, the offensive and inexcusable removal of headphone jacks from media-centric devices, the embarrassing refrain of "thinner" which translates to "We're out of ideas, so we're deleting space we should be using for battery..." It goes on and on.

Jony Ive should be fired. This guy is a pompous hack with no ideas for improvement. He's the Trump of product design: With no ideas of his own, he seeks to destroy the achievements of his predecessors.

Wow, this one has me rolling. Asinine emoji bar? I know you aren't hating on my Touch Bar lol. It is one of those things people that don't have one, love to hate. I am looking at it right now, and it baffles me that people don't like it. I wouldn't want the regular keys to be touch (ok all keys are touch I suppose, but you get it), but the F Keys are perfect candidates. I love predictive typing, short cuts are great, time lines are nice, but I don't use those outside of play. Using it is like visiting the future! My keyboard is telling me what to do! Sure our phones have done it for years, but it can't be bad to have more options. MBP keyboard is great. Now the Magic Wireless Keyboard that is a piece of junk! "Offensive and inexcusable" removal of headphone jacks! Wow, offensive!

We have to get Tim and Jony out of there. They are doing a terrible job, said none of their investors.
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LOL I got a kick out of this. Tim Cook is the John Scully of modern Apple. He has made it clear that quarterly earnings is what apple is interested in at the expense of the user.

Did Scully help make Apple a trillion dollar company? I can't remember.
 
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Has anyone tried connecting the original Apple Pencil to the new iPads with a USB-C to Lightning adapter? I get you’d also need to use the male to female adapter that came with the pencil but am curious if it would then pair.
 
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I love Apple products and have been using them since I was at college in '89 but I'm in a real bind! It's getting to the point where they are just pricing me out the market. I make a reasonably good salary, I don't have any kids so have no outgoings to consider from that respect and would say I have a pretty good disposable income compared to those with children.

I have spent a small fortune over the years on Apple products and probably owned a good 90% of the stuff they have brought out but I have concluded that I can no longer sustain at the current price levels. I understand that prices go up over the years but in the last few years, it's no longer about inflation just significant price increases by Apple themselves.

The MacBook Pro 15" for example, which is always my main machine, now costs £2700 (512GB is non negotiable, 256GB just doesn't cut it in this day and age)...we're knocking on the £3K mark and that's a huge amount of cash.

Sigh....I have to agree with many others that I think Apple is now getting greedy and I really do believe that it's going to come back and bite them hard in the next few years.

I completely agree...Apple started this trend from iPhone X and now is making the prices of all its products exorbitantly high.

I skipped this year's iphones and ipads...and pretty sure, will do same next year.
 
That sucks you won't be able to continue to buy 90% of Apples product line. #1stworldproblems.

Of note, I just bought a MBP 15, ended up just short of $4k. The 27" iMac I bought in 2011 was around $3.5k, and the MBP I bought in 2006 was right over or right under $3k, can't remember. So like a $600-$800 increase in cost over the last 12 years.
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I think you missed my point. I said I have probably owned 90% of stuff that Apple has launched, not that I would continue to buy 90% of Apple products. The point is they are pricing me out the market generally. £2700 for a laptop!

Interesting to note the prices you mention, having looked through my email receipts for Apple products I have bought over the last few years, there has been a substantial increase. The receipt for the MacBook Pro I bought in late 2014 shows a grand total of £1999 so that's a price increase of £175 per year on average at the current price.

MacBook Pro
In just 4 years there has been a 35% increase in the MacBook Pro.

iPhone
The iPhone 6 I purchased at launch (again Sept 2014) was £649, I upgraded to an X which was £1149. Admittedly it has more storage but in just 4 years it's a 43% increase!

Apple Pencil
Referring to the main article, the Apple Pencil I purchased on 26th November 2015 was £79. A 34% increase in 3 years based on the latest price at £119

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Your sentiment is an honest one. However, Apple knows what it is doing and won’t be hurt.

That is possibly the worst assumption any business could make no matter what their size/market value. History tells us otherwise.

The truth is, I honestly believe people don't want to jump ship, I know I certainly don't....god help me if I ever have to use Windows or Android but I feel that Apple is backing many people into a corner where they are leaving a large number of users with little alternative.
 
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The likelihood of this is unlikely, but if they ever make the Apple Pencil compatible with the iPhone XS Max I would have an order in that day for a new iPhone and $130 accessory. I don't need an 11" tablet for my workflow and am not looking to carry around two iDevices. What I really like about the pencil is the ability it provides (similar to the Samsung stylus phones), where you can tap the screen with the pencil, from an off state, and go straight to writing a note.

The other option would be if they allowed my Apple watch to pair to an iPad. I could transfer from my iPhone to iPad at that point, though still not convinced I need an 11" device.

My final thought is that I could just get my wife an iPhone XR and piggy back my Apple Watch off of her device with Dual Sim capability when it becomes available. She doesn't wear watches, doesn't like things on her wrist, so I realize this wouldn't be a popular use case scenario. My main goal here is to move to a communication/information workflow where I don't have to have a large screen in my pocket or nearby.
 
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The original pencil use to be charged via the Lightning cable, not the iPad itself that was for paring and also would give it some charge if you were out and not able to charge it the normal way so was useful and now that you have to charge with the iPad wireless is an improvement but the original way was not what most make out to be it is just pure hype and not fully truthful
 
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Thank God the lightning charge has gone. Can anyone else think of a worse piece of industrial design, not just from Apple, but ever?!
 
Nobody really uses the Apple pencil anyway... so why write an article on it?

I'm pretty sure Apple has a few Keynote/Powerpoint-ready statistics somewhere that say that this is the "fastest selling Pencil every" and that it had "the fastest adoption rate ever"... Then they will show off something that was "exclusively" made with the iPad XYZ and this pencil and the audience (consisting of Apple store employees) will give a very loud standing ovation. There -- a gift-wrapped Apple keynote, just for you. :D
 
I'd love read proof of this. I mean, OUCH. what developer doesn't keep source code for the future?

It happens. Your dev moves on, and isn't allowed to take their source code. They leave you a floppy which you stash away. The next team manager orders a clearout of obsolete storage media... Or someone deletes the latest patched code, thinking an older version is the master, or you just pick up the wrong branch and clear everything else out. Historically, storage was expensive, and archive storage was used infrequently. It is a bit surprising for Microsoft on one of their key products, but it does explain why they haven't fixed some 10-15 year old bugs.

I do have some 20-year old printouts kicking about (not Office :)), but the ink is starting to fade, and I'm not sure they
were the final version of the code, anyway. I don't have any printouts of my latest code.
 
One $130.00 Apple Pencil 2 = 1,248 Ticonderoga wood and graphite #2 pencils($10.00/96 count). 1,248 pencils would last 24 years if you use one pencil per week. No charging required.
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Sigh....I have to agree with many others that I think Apple is now getting greedy and I really do believe that it's going to come back and bite them hard in the next few years.

Apple needs to pay off their $5 billion Apple Park construction. That new campus is very important to Apple's future. It allows them to run in bigger circles than in the past.
 
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I worry about the potential side effects of those magnets in the new Pencil on my brain when I stick it in my ear. (That’s how I store my AP1 because having it sticking out the butt end of an iPad clearly looks just stupid.)

No thanks!
 
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Apple should have discontinued the old pencil and just had one new one. Too confusing to have two pencils.
 
Boggles my mind people find it so easy to drop $1200 on a tablet. Tbh I've only ever seen 1 iPad in the wild, our waste disposal company uses an older model for payments. At the hospital, DA office and news rooms here all surfaces.


You must have a narrow circle. Apple has sold over 350 million iPads, Microsoft less than 20 million Surfaces
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Here's the thing with Apple products, at least for me: The cost is justified by the relatively long useful life. For instance, I will likely be using my late 2013 Mac Pro for another 3-4 years because of its still good performance. My iPad Pro (9.7") and Pencil v.1 are still working fine and there is no good reason to replace them. When the Pencil's battery won't hold a charge any more is probably when I might be interested in a replacement. (I'm not thrilled that the battery is not replaceable.) Same with my iPhone 6s plus: the performance remains quite good. Its condition is like new because I treat it like the expensive thing it is. I'm on my second battery, and I only plan to replace the phone when I have worn out a third battery. Apple makes all of this possible because of the long time period they allow before declaring a product obsolete. I know of no other tech company that supports products for as long as Apple does. I have other complaints about Apple, but this is one of their strong points and why they keep me as a customer. I may not be the customer that Apple wants, but I believe I am like many, many Apple customers.


Amen, (as I type this on my eight year old iMac that just now is no longer able to be upgraded to the latest operating system, but still works beautifully). I would also add that being in the Apple ecosystem has incredible value in terms of things like privacy and security, by far the industry leading support system (I could bring my iMac into any Apple store today and they would check it out for free !) especially with out of warranty support, seamless integration, Continuity, etc.
 
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