OS 9 Classic Only

[tjwett]

Re: Some of us depend on 9

Originally posted by yadmonkey
I think Mac techies, those who are likely to be found posting here, are not in touch with the majority of Mac users. Same with music techies, who rarely actually make music with their technology. Most people in the music industry don't give a rat's ass about new technology as much as they care about being able to make music with their technology (new or old). Whatever you think of Pro Tools, it is still the standard in the industry and it still relies on OS 9. Many of us who use Pro Tools are in need of a new Powermac.

Yes, Digidesign needs to get it together and make an X-compatible Pro Tools version. Meanwhile, how many musicians can afford the time to learn new software and the money to buy new sound hardware in addition to a new Powermac? We live to make music, not to get involved in the politics of an OS switch. We have long been an industry that has avidly supported the Mac platform. Guess what - the industry is getting more and more disenchanted with Apple products.

Apple's tendency is to make their new hardware incompatible with older versions of system software. That's why you can boot a Quicksilver G4 and install the OS from an older OS 9 CD. How will we (those who still need OS 9) custom install OS 9? Is selectively dragging from a software restore CD reasonable for most users?

word up dude. NONE of my VSTis, Logic, Digital Performer, nothing, supports Classic mode. not that i really care i guess since i won't be buying a new tower but i'm some will and be bummed when they don't have a 9 installer. most studios i work with are in 9 and have no real plans of switching to X anytime soon. they don't seem to care.

 

[yadmonkey]

Thanks

SOMEBODY understands me!!! I'll be getting a new tower and I can handle the custom installs, but I am a heck of a lot more knowleagable than yer average user. I say that not to toot my own horn, but to emphasize that Apple and all these techies who are anxious to bury OS 9 are losing touch with the actual folks who don't have time to find work-arounds, because they should be using their energies for their creative endeavors.

 

[modul8tr]

NO recording studios or audio post production studios are using OSX. And it won't happen until Digidesign delivers.....rumored to happen this Fall. Logic Audio should be any day now, they've been working on it a LONG time AND Apple owns them now.

The only real problem is this....that even if they do deliver we're still stuck because we have to wait for all of the 3rd Party developers to make their plug-ins compatible with OSX. Many users are still waiting for certain Pro Tools|HD plugs, so god knows what horror is in store for us😱

And everyone is hoping Digidesign won't require or exclude certain hardware Pro Tools D24, Mix, Mix Plus, D24 based Mix Plus etc from compatibility as this will put a HUGE kink in the migration for many. They've said they won't but that can change. We all remember the jump from PCI to Pro Tools 24..... Plus their still selling Mix Hardware so this should NOT happen.

I LOVE digidesign products and know they will NOT put out an OSX Pro Tools 6 version until it is ready. And I do mean READY.

 

[yadmonkey]

Where are we then?

So where does this leave the music industry? Are we not to buy new hardware until Digidesign finishes their OS X software versions and the third parties make their plug-ins compatible? Are we limited to buying Quicksilvers until then? Has Apple forgotten one of the only major industries that has always stuck by Apple??

MacArtist wrote:

"And if you absolutely need to run OS 9 keep your old system. It's as simple as that."

Guess what: it ain't as simple as that. If your old hardware is dying, what's your best bet? For those who live and work in a beurocracy and have only this window to get a new Mac, it sure ain't as simple as that. In my world, you get a window in which to make a purchase and when it closes, you might not get another for a looooooong time! A Quicksilver is not that attractive when you have good reasons to want a computer that can support 4 internal HDs and will have to last until the powers that be authorize another.

 

[primalman]

Re: Where are we then?

Originally posted by yadmonkey

A Quicksilver is not that attractive when you have good reasons to want a computer that can support 4 internal HDs and will have to last until the powers that be authorize another.

Quicksilvers/Digital Audio/Graphites/B&WG3 all support 4 or 5 HDs internally, you just have to get an ATA card. No big whoop, ACARD's ATA/133 controllers are only like $100 [RAID controllers are more], and I would think that you would want an off-board controller, esp for /133 drives, I know high-qual audio and video takes up masive rooms, 120GB+ would be nice to have.

Check this out, see if it could fit for you:
- G4/533/640mb ram
- Stock 40gb HD mounted on top pf CD casing on old plastic sled, much velcro holding it on (like Proline kit), using original IDE bus for the original position, just got a longer ribbon.
- Four 80gb drives mounted in the bottom trays.
- ACARD ATA/133 RAID card
- the four drives are hardware stripped into two 150gb [formatted] volumes
- OS X 10.1 Sever disk utility mirrors those drives into one 150gb redundent set.
- Set to share to the workgroup [OS9] via Appletalk-TCP/IP
-Its fast

And you don't need OSX Server for this either, OSX normal does the RAID thing the same way, easy as pie.The alternative is to not use the RAID function and just have two very speedy disk sets hardware stipped from the ACARD. It works fantasic like.

BTW - OSXS screams on this 533 digital audio, just think what 10.2 anyting will do on a DP 1GHZ quicksilver!!

My 2¢. 🙂

 

[ebound]

I only use 9 for one thing -- scanning into Photoshop.

Now, if I get a digital camera, this is solved. But I'm busy spending money on other things.

Hopefully, Jaguar will support my ghetto USB UMAX scanner. If not, I can't ever get rid of 9. Unless someone buys me a digital camera or a better scanner.

 

[Bob Dobbs]

Lets get real...

I work at a small TV station in a big market. 99% of the machines here are windows. In fact I can only think of 6 macs on the property (2 in my dept), 2 in the 'on air graphics / print' dept.,
1 for FCP editing bumpers and promos, and 1 in the web design area (just so they can make sure the sites look good on a mac).

I am the computer geek around here and installed OSX on one of the FCP machines, but all three of the editors who use the machine AND the lowly teck/intern who logs timecode COULD NOT HANDLE IT. They need the machine to just work, they dont care about nifty new look. The on air graphics machine is a G3 (as is one of mine) and lookign at a spinning beachball instead of getting work done is a pain.

Face it OS 9 works, and it lets people get work done without having to learn new stuff, or buy new software (it takes almost 2 months to get a PO approved for a big time purchase - like a new machine or all new software).

Anyway - sorry long rant... OS 9 lives, peopel who USE computers but dont know anything about 'em or dont care will use OS 9 for a long time. Even I still do (scanning, quark [we have 10 years of old files in quark so even if I move to Adobe, I still need to open and change the old ones now and again], netscape 4.7 (still the best).

I love bleeding edge, but its not a reality to 99% of the rest of 'us'

 

[ImAlwaysRight]

Re: OS 9 Classic Only

Originally posted by arn
Persistent rumors have indicated that future machines will be unable to boot OS 9.

Let's hope these rumors get hardware and software manufacturers to get off their lazy asses and write OS X native software. Pete's sake. Stupid Canon Canonscan N1220U scanner doesn't even have an OS X driver. The awesome videoconferencing app iVisit isn't even written for OS X. Check their forums and people've been begging for an OS X version for two years. Geez, in that amount of time I could have gone to school and learned how to write programs and converted the doggone program myself. If I'd only known, I would have!

Enough ranting, and I love iVisit to death, but I've been hearing for 3 months "an OS X version is coming soon" after not hearing squat for 2 years. I haven't used this program lately, even after getting cable internet 2months ago, because I can't stand booting in OS 9 any more.

Enough of my rant...

 

[gopher]

Macnightowl reports new machines to boot in 9

If you create a CD using the restore CDs Mac OS 9 system.

So don't worry, you can still boot directly into 9, no Classic needed.

 

[modul8tr]

Just unpacked my Dual Ghz G4 and YES it does boot up in 9.2.2 by going to system pref>>>startup disk>>>system 9.2.2.

DAMN Jaguar is FAST!!!

Booted up my Pro Tools TDM system and it is playing back a 20 track session with heavy edits,fades,automation w/digital video lock flawlessly.

Very responsive!!!

For some reason it lists the ram in system profiler (under OS9.2) as PC133!!??

Loud Fans.

Interesting.

 

[AssassinOfGates]

Well i may not be a power user but more a gamer. I just ordered a new 867 dual with BTO superdrive and it better be able to boot OS 9.2, and have the CD. AvP is **** for OS X. I was at the apple store today for some speakers, and i must say that jaguar is FAST. Also seemed to fix that skipping optical mouse problem.

 

[modul8tr]

The Dual 1 GHz DOES boot up OS 9.2.2. By going to system prefs>> startup disk>>OS 9.2.2>>restart..

Bingo Bango OS9.2.2!!!!

Great stuff.

Jaguar kicks ass!!!!! Can't believe it!!!!!!😀

Again the new DDR G4's DO boot OS 9.2.2 Does not require classic to do so.