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So all these are white or Asian? Who knew!

:(:):confused::eek::mad::p:rolleyes:;):D:cool::p
I always thought the yellow smileys were just fine or a draft beer emoji.

No, but these are:
############, along with dozens more.

And this:
#
is the only dark-skinned human emoji available.

But, I think we've had this discussion before, and some people are too dense to tell the difference. I mean, even when they were pointed out, the same poster kept going back to the yellow ones.
 
What exactly are Emoji for? I understand the point of smilies, used to express a simple emotion that might otherwise not come across without an incongruous written explanation, but what's the point of Emojis?

Well, you see, some people aren't boring business stiffs who only write in standard language, somehow thinking it makes them elite. Some people like to send messages to their friends and wives and siblings and have a little fun with them.

I might send a text to my wife saying "What should we do tonight?" and I'll get the response "######". And it makes me laugh. A little more entertaining than "Well, dear husband, I believe we shall go out for some pizza and a beer, then maybe go home and get frisky".


What is the point in this? Is this something people actually want?

Obviously.

I questioned why people wanted landscape texting when it wasn't an option. And I got blasted for even asking. I've still never used my phone to type in landscape mode, and I think Apple shouldn't even offer it as an option. :p
 
Gosh I hope the only 3 programmers at Apple didn't put aside too many important fixes for this.
 
And you think colored emojis will make that happen??? That's sad. :(

Small steps are often necessary for big changes.

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Gosh I hope the only 3 programmers at Apple didn't put aside too many important fixes for this.

And it's most likely graphic designers that invested the most time on this. Adding this to the framework of iOS doesn't require much effort.
 
Small steps are often necessary for big changes.

Would making this guy white on some roads help too?

pedestrian-sign.jpg
 
Multiculturalism and inclusion?

Yes. I want more of that.

Digital Emoji's are not representative of real life. They're bright yellow. Nobody is bright yellow unless they're a Simpson. But whatever, I'm not complaining. Just baffled this became a thing. I never realised people cared.
 
The thing I was really waiting for is the county flags. But they only added so few...if I'm not mistaken Google has a lot more on Android Lollipop...
 
Digital Emoji's are not representative of real life. They're bright yellow. Nobody is bright yellow unless they're a Simpson. But whatever, I'm not complaining. Just baffled this became a thing. I never realised people cared.

Still going on with that yellow thing, huh?
 
Multiculturalism and inclusion?

Yes. I want more of that.

IMO the only people who want skin coloured real-life emoticons have chips on their shoulders. When I played with Lego as a child, I saw the yellow Play People as being free of race. They were 'Lego' and not Chinese. I don't see the Simpsons as being Chinese. Why not drop all humanised emoticons and just stick with the yellow ones! They're all I use anyway and I never think of them as being anything but 'smileys'. Race issues don't enter my head at all.
As a side note, who on earth sends those silly 'family' emoticons? ....and who would be bothered to press on one, hold, and then slide to a different colour to alter their skin tone? Really, that's thinking about race issues wayyyy too much.
 
The use of color on this one is utilitarian, black on yellow has always been the go-to color for warnings because of its visibility.

Utilitarian. Right. Just like emojis should be. They're purpose is to convey an emotion, not to display ones being. Diversity in this case drives a wedge between us instead of uniting us in common ground. Multi-colored emojis was a poor choice.
 
<snip>Diversity in this case drives a wedge between us instead of uniting us in common ground. Multi-colored emojis was a poor choice.

Only to posters like you. You are able to overlook race when the figures are 'white' but if they are brown you have an issue.
 
Only to posters like you. You are able to overlook race when the figures are 'white' but if they are brown you have an issue.

I strongly suspect that most who are 'for' this change are liberal caucasians. It's usually the case. I have never once considered race issues when using smileys, and yet now we have to. That isn't progress IMO. It has brought race into an area where, for the vast majority of folk, it didn't exist. The easiest solution, if one were needed, is to drop ALL emoticons other than the classic yellow smileys. Anyone who has a problem with those is not worth bothering with IMO.
 
Some of these posts are a sad display on humanity.

If you've never wanted standard graphical representations to look like you then you probably don't understand why people would want them.

People are asking ## why can't these hands look like mine? That's what all the new diversity options offer. If the current ones work for you then you lose nothing when more options are added for others.

What's funny is in arguments like this some people always feel the addition of options for others some how takes away from what they have. This is why the arguments for Apple to concentrate on bugs and not this emoji functionality are so funny. It is as if Apple can't create new functionality and work on bugs at the same time. LOL

I don't recall anyone complaining that a new camera for their new iPhone somehow deminished work on bugs. LOL I don't remember people complaining about Siri work taking away from bug fixes.

It's just new functionality folks! We used to love new functionality didn't we? When did that change? If you aren't going to use it why get upset? Just turn it off or don't use it. I turned Siri off for 2 years! Didn't bother me one bit that other people were using it.


If Apple had stuck with ##### they'd have been fine. Once they added these#### they knew they'd need more options. Because all their customers don't have the same skin tone.

It just boils down to its new functionality folks. Use it or don't use it. The development and introduction of the new functionality not taking anything from you.

I don't believe the purpose of Emoji's is to look like someone, and if enough people want icons to look like them, then perhaps Apple should create an emoji feature in Photo Booth...

Not withstanding I agree with you that the biggest problem is the addition of the white faces you mentioned above. Personally I do not feel that adding ethnicity to emojis adds anything worthwhile to a conversation.

:) I'm happy. :p I'm sticking out my tongue. The fact that I'm black or white, or asian, or hispanic, or eskimo etc is absolutely irrelevant - unless one is trying to engender some form of racial camaraderie following comment, based upon one's race.

I suspect a black person feels happiness in the same way as a white person, and a white person feels pain in the same way as a black person, or a Chinese person. If one is crying it's irrelevant the colour of their skin or the shape of their eyes - just that tears are coming out of them. And that's what these icons are for (or should be for): to express an EMOTION, not the colour of one's skin. Apple would have been better served creating icons that highlight how we all feel as part of the common and united human experience, rather than creating divisions between people.

Furthermore, the interface for selecting icons may be perceived as an issue. If the black icon set comes after the white icon set, is this because Apple perceives that white people come before black people? How should we arbitrarily assign order? Should we randomise the display place (terrible interface) or order Alphabetically? Should black (brown) come before white (pink) - and then where does Chinese fall in etc.?

Certainly it would be an interesting social experiment to post the same comment as a perceived white person, vs. perceived black person, and not the emotional response from each ethnic group - but I'm sure this would merely serve to highlight the ill-conceived division these icons can cause.

If Tim Cook as a homosexual and Apple CEO posted with a rainbow emoticon, would it add value to anything he had to say - absolutely not, as in an inclusive society race/sexual orientation etc has no relevance to one's comments.

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The thing I was really waiting for is the county flags. But they only added so few...if I'm not mistaken Google has a lot more on Android Lollipop...

True and their designers feel that Scottish, English, Welsh, Northern Irish are to be classified as British, which many of them do not identify with.
 
I see this is pretty high up in Apple's priority, I kind of wished that they spent their liimited time and energy fixing the existing bugs instead.

The only thing this tread is good for is a list of people to add to the ignore list.

Never thought I'd be adding a moderator.

I can't wait to nonchalantly belittle an issue that deals with white Americans or Europeans.

But, I think we've had this discussion before, and some people are too dense to tell the difference. I mean, even when they were pointed out, the same poster kept going back to the yellow ones.

That's called privilege.

Seriously, there are days that I do wish I could see the world through such whitewashed glasses some days.

Then again, I know they have to work hard at their ignorance and cultural exclusivity.
 
All bad jokes aside, I still can't help but wonder why some people continue to fret and make much ado over this, to the point we now have had three multipage threads in PRSI over it.

This one is a classic, an issue that doesn't negatively effect one person, yet raises this level of emotion.

I have to go back to the most basic question ... how is anybody harmed if the emoji set is expanded?

And if no one is harmed, how could anybody be against it?
 
Utilitarian. Right. Just like emojis should be. They're purpose is to convey an emotion, not to display ones being. Diversity in this case drives a wedge between us instead of uniting us in common ground. Multi-colored emojis was a poor choice.

Then just don't use them. Nobody is forcing you.
 
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