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I've been reading far longer than you've been in publishing. If you are reading a book written by a white author living in a white country, there is the rational assumption that the characters will also be white unless stated otherwise. Ditto for Japanese authors, Chinese authors, Russian authors, etc. If you are reading Tolstoy and the setting is Russia, you don't need to be told that the characters are ethnic Russians.

I suggest you try reading some books from non-white authors. White characters are very much described as "white" in those books.

Don't embarrass yourself by trying to pull rank over me. It serves no point other than to distract. Still, congrats on reading—though that's not the same as what I do at my job. But, no, I disagree with your premise. If I am reading a manuscript written by a white author living in a "white country"—as you put it—I, in fact, do not have a rational assumption that the characters will also be white unless stated otherwise. The only expectation I have is an author, of any ethnicity, to write well. Defaulting to a race is not good writing as per Aristotle.

The point here is emojis. And you've been very disingenuous in your posts. There are cartoon emojis and another set that appear more humanoid. Personally, I don't use emojis so I'm not very interested in the new set of emojis. I think emojis in general are a bit vapid since I'm old, ethnic emojis are even more so. Nonetheless, I can understand why nonwhites would want something more than white emojis.

If you're a graphic designer tasked with rendering more human looking emojis I don't think it's too absurd to include different sets to reflect the diversity of human beings.

But mostly, I find it highly disturbing you'd characterize the United States as a "white country." I suggest you take a moment and reflect on that sentiment. With that said, I bid you adieu.
 
I seriously dont understand why UNI code accepted multicultural emoji. They were all yellow so they were neutral. The whole racial acceptance has made it more complex to chose an emoji and if you sent a white emoji all the time does that make you racist?
I preferred it when it was neutral. They were designed by engineers in Japan for a closed audience. If people are interested in Uni Code and emoji here is a link to Toms Scott video who explains it very well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tITwM5GDIAI
Can I also make it clear I am against racism! I think its vile and horrible to determine someone just on their color or sex!
 
Where is my Black Man married to White Man with Asian Trans Girl and Indian Boy with Hook for a Hand* Family emoji?

As I see it, things should either be left the way they were (possibly changing non-yellow emojis to be yellow to clarify race isn't an intentional attribute). By trying to add in diversity to reflect the real world, I feel you inevitably slight the many people who aren't accurately depicted by any of the 25 choices you offer.

Having every race + gender combination for a married couple emoji results in 100+ choices, whereas before you had just 1. Add in 2 children and now you have 10,000+ choices. We're still assuming there's only 2 genders and 5 races, and ignoring things like hair color, eye color, disabilities, etc.

* If you're rolling your eyes at me mentioning that disability, maybe I could bring up a more common one, like being nearsighted and needing glasses.
 
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I wonder how all the people overreacting in this thread feel about the fact that their Mac can display virtually any language in the world.

"Why should Apple support Chinese writing? They can just type their words out in the roman alphabet! Or learn English!"

Race based emoticons = stupidity. Multi language displaying Macs = Awesome. I personally speak three languages.
 
I just hope that the new Emoji isn't the first thing listed on the release notes. If it's at the top (or even in the top three), that's pretty pathetic for an iOS update. The Emoji should be the last thing on the list or at least fairly close to the bottom of the list.
 
jikes this thread. theres a reason for this general rule of "never talk with americans about one of the following topics: guns, race, politics & health care" :p
 
Following the flattening and simplification of OS X/iOS, surely Jonathan Ive's team could have designed emojis that depict emotions without drawing distinction to racial groups? This "Diversification" surely serves to divide rather than unite.
 
Well, they scrambled Bartender. All the icons in the menu bar are jumbled. The 'bartender' lower bar is fine though. Hmmm.
 
Some of these posts are a sad display on humanity.

If you've never wanted standard graphical representations to look like you then you probably don't understand why people would want them.

People are asking ## why can't these hands look like mine? That's what all the new diversity options offer. If the current ones work for you then you lose nothing when more options are added for others.

What's funny is in arguments like this some people always feel the addition of options for others some how takes away from what they have. This is why the arguments for Apple to concentrate on bugs and not this emoji functionality are so funny. It is as if Apple can't create new functionality and work on bugs at the same time. LOL

I don't recall anyone complaining that a new camera for their new iPhone somehow deminished work on bugs. LOL I don't remember people complaining about Siri work taking away from bug fixes.

It's just new functionality folks! We used to love new functionality didn't we? When did that change? If you aren't going to use it why get upset? Just turn it off or don't use it. I turned Siri off for 2 years! Didn't bother me one bit that other people were using it.


If Apple had stuck with ##### they'd have been fine. Once they added these#### they knew they'd need more options. Because all their customers don't have the same skin tone.

It just boils down to its new functionality folks. Use it or don't use it. The development and introduction of the new functionality not taking anything from you.
 
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Oh, it stole precious resources away from something more important. Really? This is being included in an 8.3 release, which probably has a lot more work done than just simply updating emojis. So that complaint is completely moot.

As you might gather, common sense, rational thought and logic rarely appear on this forum. Sadly!

I disagree, there are some very basic bugs that need to be addressed. Apple does not have huge corps of programmers and designers. Its clear those people are working on other things besides the bugs otherwise some of the bugs that have existed since 10.10 rolled out would be addressed.

Adding new features at the expense of bug fixes is one thing, adding features of dubious benefit is even more frustrating.

Sometimes you seem logical and sensible. Then you post nonsense like this! The updated emoji support is pittance compare to the rest of the update. The only reason you, and others, are kicking up a fuss about this is simple because Macrumors posted a whole article about one fragment of a beta of a 10.10.x/8.x release. A lot of people have stated that 10.10.3 betas have cleared the wifi issue (mind you, 10.10.2 did that for a bulk too). There's other things fixed, along with other improvements under the hood.

You, and others like you, are picking on one visual update as being the reason for the update, ignoring the fact that there's a lot of under the hood and not so superficial things going into these updates.

You're joking right? Emoji's are cartoon characters..you know, yellow smiley faces and all?????

Really? Like these? #######################✊## Very yellow......

I wonder how all the people overreacting in this thread feel about the fact that their Mac can display virtually any language in the world.

"Why should Apple support Chinese writing? They can just type their words out in the roman alphabet! Or learn English!"

Haha, I know! If they had their way, there'd be no multi language support at all! Imagine all the time Apple spent in providing that support, when they could have improved the OS instead. Why should the Americans care that the Chinese, Germans, Russians, etc, cannot use MacOS in their own language...

It simply doesn't make sense to suggest that Apple has to choose between adding support for a new Unicode standard and fixing bugs. Is it really so hard to see that they are in the position to do both?

That's the thing. Most the people in this thread are thinking that Apple are responsible for this change. They are not. All they are doing is providing support for the new Unicode, which they need to do.
 
I see this is pretty high up in Apple's priority, I kind of wished that they spent their liimited time and energy fixing the existing bugs instead.

That and letting me arrange icons where I want them to be and not auto arrange to the top.

Indifferent about the skintones but kind of liked that they had nothing to do with race before.

I do like adding the flags and apple products etc.
 
hope they did not spent a lot of resources in doing it but I don't care for or understand Emoji.
 
Some of these posts are a sad display on humanity.

If you've never wanted standard graphical representations to look like you then you probably don't understand why people would want them.

People are asking ���� why can't these hands look like mine? That's what all the new diversity options offer. If the current ones work for you then you lose nothing when more options are added for others.

What's funny is in arguments like this some people always feel the addition of options for others some how takes away from what they have. This is why the arguments for Apple to concentrate on bugs and not this emoji functionality are so funny. It is as if Apple can't create new functionality and work on bugs at the same time. LOL

I don't recall anyone complaining that a new camera for their new iPhone somehow deminished work on bugs. LOL I don't remember people complaining about Siri work taking away from bug fixes.

It's just new functionality folks! We used to love new functionality didn't we? When did that change? If you aren't going to use it why get upset? Just turn it off or don't use it. I turned Siri off for 2 years! Didn't bother me one bit that other people were using it.


If Apple had stuck with ���������� they'd have been fine. Once they added ths�������� did this they knew they'd need more options. Because all their customers don't have the same skin tone.

Actually, wasn't that second grouping you failt Apple for adding designed in Japan?????? Apple then just stuck them in there. "Emoji" was a Japanese neologism.
 
Actually, wasn't that second grouping you failt Apple for adding designed in Japan?????? Apple then just stuck them in there. "Emoji" was a Japanese neologism.

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I bet I'm older than you
Yo imma let you finish, but emojis are created in more than one country! :) if you want to go even deeper, the original japanese emojis look like these: ( ^ω^ )
*\(^o^)/*(^_^)^ - ^ emoji has been adapted to include the small smileys we know and love
 
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I for one thing am happy that Apple continues to follow the Unicode standards in this pace. The decision to include skin tones was ultimately their decision, not Apple’s. It’s part of a standard now and it needs to be adopted fro cross-device compatibility. I had a BlackBerry 10 device that didn’t even have full native support for these emoji, so you would only see square boxes. You would be missing out on something and whether you acknowledge that or not, emoji are part of mobile culture. I even think messaging is probably on the most important activities of iPhone users, especially among young people who are more likely to use these emoji as well, so it makes sense to me that something like this enjoys a relatively high priority on the new-features list. That being said, I’m sure lots of things were fixed as well, this change here is only the most visible.
 
If Apple had stuck with ##### they'd have been fine. Once they added these#### they knew they'd need more options. Because all their customers don't have the same skin tone.

Apple doesn't come up with Emoji, they just implement what the Unicode standards body makes official. Same with Google. That's the whole point of Emoji; that they are universal character codes that represent pictographs. Then Apple draws their set, and Google draws their set, and when you send an emoji code to someone with a different device it may look different visually, but it still represents the same symbol.
 
I've heard that the next keytalk on WWDC will be entirely about new Emoji support and how Apple wants developers to take full advantage of it in their apps. It will be magical!

Just kidding, of course. I think it's fine, but lacks emoji for polygamy. I really need emojis to symbolize my harem.
 
Someone is expanding a feature, giving people more choice to suit their personal taste or momentary mood.

I shouldn't have to tell anybody that this is a good thing.

If it were any other product or feature, it would be seen as a positive.
 
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