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Very Happy that this update will also run on my old machines :)

Regarding the "Metal" update, I looked at the links provided here, but I could not find the answer to one question; will Metal make existing games run better, or only ones adapted or written with Metal in mind?
 
It's pretty amazing apple supports 8 year old computers. I might keep my MacBook around for another 3 years at least if this trend continues.

Same for me. I am on a MBP 13 2011 and still do not feel the need to upgrade. Speed (also on 10.10.3) is okay.
The only thing that's really tempting is Retina display ;)... since 2012 on the market and it is really hard to resist - at least for me.
I still love the design of Mavericks and it looked (still looks) gorgeous on retina.
 
Very Happy that this update will also run on my old machines :)

Regarding the "Metal" update, I looked at the links provided here, but I could not find the answer to one question; will Metal make existing games run better, or only ones adapted or written with Metal in mind?

There's possibility of a slight performance bump if they've made tweaks to the base Open GL implementation, but games will only benefit from Metal if they take on the API from scratch or are converted.

I'm interested to see what Aspyr do with some of their more popular windows ports.
 
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There's possibility of a slight performance bump if they've made tweaks to the base Open GL implementation, but games will only benefit from Metal if they take on the API from scratch or are converted.

I'm interested to see what Aspyr do with some of their more popular windows ports.
Thanks for answering that - I guess once El Capitan is out, Apple will release a list of Games that have been optimised for Metal :)
 
Nice set of updates - fine could be more but what a rubbish name.... I can just see people saying in PC world around here as El (in ale) Captain (as Ship captain)....
 
Installed. First impression on MacMini2011: more responsive. Font is... well it is. Some positioning problems (due to beta). My own applications all run out of the box. Pages and Numbers 2009 not running. Word running. Photoshop not running because of Java. Colors of icons still... well you know. Quartz Debug not functional anymore (understandably).

Everything else... I'll look at this later.
 
Thankfully Apple's insistence to still sell computers with spinning HDDs, and release 'updated' computers with worse specs, has forced their hand to improve software performance. If you work around the limitations of the hardware, it's likely you'll bring out the best from the software.

You don't need to buy those configurations, but a lot of people still don't want to afford SSD or Retina displays. So Apple serves all requests. What's wrong with that?!

Anyway, good job Apple. You did the right thing on focusing on performance rather than new features.

Yes, still thinking Snow Leopard was the best OS so far and it had exactly the same focus. But than again I actually quite like all the new features introduced lately reagarding iCloud and even the new flat UI. So, it will be a worthwile update.
 
You don't need to buy those configurations, but a lot of people still don't want to afford SSD or Retina displays. So Apple serves all requests. What's wrong with that?!



Yes, still thinking Snow Leopard was the best OS so far and it had exactly the same focus. But than again I actually quite like all the new features introduced lately reagarding iCloud and even the new flat UI. So, it will be a worthwile update.

The point is that apple SHOULD NOT be selling 5400RPM hard drives. Apple actually downgraded its iMacs from 7200RPM hard drives as standard down to 5400RPM drives at the end of 2012. Apple just needs to slightly cut its profit margins and have fusion drives as standard. Or they're just another company that is in it purely for the profit and not for giving the user the "best possible experience".
 
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I wouldn't be complacent, I would consider start looking at upgrading at some point in the next couple years. Don't think this trend will continue on. (IMHO) maybe next year.
 
MacBook: SSD only
MacBook Air: SSD only
MacBook Retina: SSD only
Mac Pro: SSD only

Only the iMac and Mac mini (and the legacy MBP 13") even have HDD options.
iMac 21": 5400rpm hard drive standard on every configuration. Same speed as my 1999 iMac G3.
It's a very serious matter. Equal to Apple saying "we don't give a crap about your experience if you buy a desktop under $1799".
 
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I tell you... that "Creative and free spirit marketing team" at apple was pretty high when they choose this name... El Capitan? No only is that going to be confusing to pronounce for most people (they're say captain... like a ship captain), but it's just bad... I know it's a real place, but come on...

70% of the mac users I know in real life used to think that Mavericks' name was taken from an helicopter.
 
You all DO realize that they named it El Capitan because it is supposed to be similar to Yosemite...not a huge update on features, but on performance...akin to Leopard, then Snow Leopard. Get it, Yosemite, then El Capitan!

Yes, everybody realizes that.
 
Sadly though the iMac is the desktop that most people buy and it having a spinning hard drive really does affect performance. The 21.5 inch iMac has a 5400rpm Hard drive, and it REALLY slows down the machine. I cannot believe they are still selling this as a default option.

What you state is true; 5400 RPM drives do slow down algorithmic and computational operations of certain tasks within a computing system environment, yes. However, the read and write speeds of the drive are/were designed for a specified use case and in thise instances the drive works just fine. Most normal consumers do not even know they have, or don't have for that matter, a specific hard drive in their computer. You cannot cherry-pick your data set for use from an applicant pool of Macrumor readers, or you and your friends, etc. as the bias is extremely intact we and corrupts valid data you are trying to use to make a point. When I say "most normal consumers," I am alluding to the 95% of people of use their iMac or CPU system for surfing the Internet, email, chat, Facebook, etc.; tasks using meanial resources and only needing basic hardware computer parts to operate efficiently within the given threshold allowed (while still maintaining high customer satisfaction rates from customers), and that allows the use of the 5400 RPM drives.

While I do agree they should provide a basic option at the same price point for a smaller sized SSD instead of the larger HD, again their "research, development, customer feedback, etc." has all led to the decision they made to continue using the specified drives. I am not going to sit here and say I know better than Apple based on my opinion or thoughts without the facts, that's just ignorant; they are after all the most profitable business in the world lol so they must be doing something right somewhere. I will say the transition is there to SSD drives and the tota transition within he iMac lineup has just not been a necessity until now (according again to the research and data they spend billions of dollars annually collecting). I do feel it was more important to change the mobile lineup to include standard SSD as there is usually only one storage option on the road with a laptop, the built-in HD. Unlike a home PC where you can hook up an extern TB drive for added storage and have it rate Read and Write both faster still, even without an SSD internally. So the contexts are different and the situations are different, but things are changing yes.

Sometimes we just have to step back and remember that our voices, the voices of us individuals in Macrumors, are the extreme minority and not a realistic sampling of likely identified computer owners in general. While we all here may agree or disagree to a point, the world away from here has no clue. And as a perfect example, my mother sent me a text earlier this morning and asked me, "... What's this new Apple Music thing I heard about?" Not only does she have no clue lol, she has no idea what iTunes Radio is either. So most people in categorized in the general applicant saming pool are not affected by most of what personally affects users like you and I.

Hope you understand what I am trying to say and see what I mean lol.

Have a great day.

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I am alluding to the 95% of people of use their iMac or CPU system for surfing the Internet, email, chat, Facebook, etc.; tasks using meanial resources and only needing basic hardware computer parts to operate efficiently within the given threshold allowed (while still maintaining high customer satisfaction rates from customers), and that allows the use of the 5400 RPM drives.
Even so, those drives are still painfully slow for those tasks.

I've replaced those 5400rpm drives with SSDs on two MBPs in the past month. The users of those computers couldn't be happier with the resulting speed increase.
 
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You all DO realize that they named it El Capitan because it is supposed to be similar to Yosemite...not a huge update on features, but on performance...akin to Leopard, then Snow Leopard. Get it, Yosemite, then El Capitan!

Yes we do but thank you so much for stating the obvious.
 
Got it running on my 2007 iMac last night. Haven't managed to play with it enough yet to see if it's actually quicker than Yosemite was.
 
I tell you... that "Creative and free spirit marketing team" at apple was pretty high when they choose this name... El Capitan? No only is that going to be confusing to pronounce for most people (they're say captain... like a ship captain), but it's just bad... I know it's a real place, but come on...

I feel like there should be a separate thread on the name... this thread suffers from multiple personality disorder.
 
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