OS X 10.4 Tiger build 8A393 Seeded

[The Black Rock]

Can you imagine the bad press Apple would get with beta versions of Tiger floating around, if really bad things happened to those users? It would make Apple look very sloppy. For example, the Spotlight issues didn't appear in original developer builds, but have cropped up recently. It just wouldn't be a good idea.

It was, however, a good idea when Mac OS X, as a whole, was beta. People really knew what they were getting into, and Mac OS X was a "baby" (more like a kindergartner...).
-Chase

I don't think that the press would be as bad as you're thinking. The people come to the public beta fully aware of the consequences, sign waivers, sign NDAs when possible, make clones/dupes/backups or whatever. It would just be a much larger sample size. Automatic feedback from such a large group would make the work on the OS faster by magnitudes.

There probably wouldn't be any "problem-creep" as more and more permutaions of system configurations are upgrading to Tiger, since a good handful of the problems would've been solved already.

Maybe I don't what might happen, maybe I'm just idealistic, or maybe I'm just really pining for Tiger... and Core Image, and Core Video, and H.264, and new iChat, and Automator, and Spotlight, and Safari 2.0 RSS, and Dashboard widgets, etc.

I guess I'll just keep waiting... 🙁

 

[cgratti]

Sorry, Tiger isn't being let out of the cage any time soon.

I don't care if it takes until December, just get it right. I would rather wait than get a rushed product with a ton of bugs.

 

[cgratti]

I hope Mac OS X Tiger comes out for the X86 processors as rumored. This will put everyone's PC to good use.

I dont want Tiger for X86's. Let the people who want PCs stay with Windows. If you want the stability of OSX, then buy a Mac.

Do you realize if they put OSX on PC's the amount of Viruses and Spyware that will filter to OSX? People will go nuts making crap for OSX and we all will be in the same boat as PC users are now with having to update virus protection and stuff every day. Not for me, I like it the way it is now.

 

[bennetsaysargh]

who is to say that maybe apple would make their own x86 computer? i mean, if you think about it, it might be able to get the prices cheaper on some macs.

 

[~loserman~]

Hmm, if it' smaller, maybe they're getting closer to the final product? I would hope so, a WWDC release is what most are probably counting on.

I can tell you that so far each beta release has gotten worse. Although I havent tested 8A393 yet but 8A385 is absolutly horrendous.

 

[WM.]

7B85 was released to developers on 10/14/03 and to the public on 10/24/03. Looks like 10 days to me.

Thanks for the correction. Looks like I was remembering wrong (hey, it has been almost a year and a half... 🙂 ).

Here's the AppleInsider article that appears to contain the first reference to 7B85 (on 10/1/03). You'll notice that the rumors at that point did turn out to be pretty much right (7B85 was indeed the GM). However, there had been several "this will be the GM!!!11" false alarms before then, which was basically my point: the first few times someone claims that a particular build will be GM, they'll probably be wrong, and it will be hard to nail down a release date until Apple announces it...

By the way, I'm almost positive that the 10/14 date you cited was about a week after Apple announced that Panther would come out on 10/24, for whatever that's worth...

WM

 

[webraider]

I for one Can't Wait

I just upgraded my Sawtooth with a 1.2 GHZ Processor, a SuperDrive, 1 gig of Memory, and I have two Seageate internals (80 and 120 gig)! I've been stuck in 10.2.8 and me being a musician... I've waited too long to get my hands on Garage Band. Here is my dilemna... do I Purchase OS X 3.0 now, and go through the time and hassle of upgrading everything... or Do I WAIT another 4 months for Apple to release OS X 4.0?!?!?! With My luck all you please waiters will be correct and it will be 4 months... But as soon as I buy OS X 3.0... it will come out. I just don't want to have to do fresh installs of everything all Over agin in another two-three months.

 

[CubaTBird]

I just upgraded my Sawtooth with a 1.2 GHZ Processor, a SuperDrive, 1 gig of Memory, and I have two Seageate internals (80 and 120 gig)! I've been stuck in 10.2.8 and me being a musician... I've waited too long to get my hands on Garage Band. Here is my dilemna... do I Purchase OS X 3.0 now, and go through the time and hassle of upgrading everything... or Do I WAIT another 4 months for Apple to release OS X 4.0?!?!?! With My luck all you please waiters will be correct and it will be 4 months... But as soon as I buy OS X 3.0... it will come out. I just don't want to have to do fresh installs of everything all Over agin in another two-three months.

patience young squire... tiger will come..

 

[daveL]

Thanks for the correction. Looks like I was remembering wrong (hey, it has been almost a year and a half... 🙂 ).
By the way, I'm almost positive that the 10/14 date you cited was about a week after Apple announced that Panther would come out on 10/24, for whatever that's worth...

WM

Well, the 7B85 seed note on the ADC download site is dated 10/14/03. But,hey, it ain't that important. 🙂

 

[wdlove]

patience young squire... tiger will come..

Yes, each day we are getting one day closer. I'm going to take Steve at his word on this.

 

[Eastend]

Here is my dilemna... do I Purchase OS X 3.0 now, and go through the time and hassle of upgrading everything... or Do I WAIT another 4 months for Apple to release OS X 4.0?!?!?! With My luck all you please waiters will be correct and it will be 4 months... But as soon as I buy OS X 3.0... it will come out. I just don't want to have to do fresh installs of everything all Over agin in another two-three months.

If you can wait up to 4 months, I'd say wait it out, but the way Apple is, do not say I told you to wait. (3.0 GHz anyone within a year?)or(G4's at 500 MHz for over a year.)

Brian

 

[webraider]

If you can wait up to 4 months, I'd say wait it out, but the way Apple is, do not say I told you to wait. (3.0 GHz anyone within a year?)or(G4's at 500 MHz for over a year.)

Brian

I think I read in an earlier post the ilife will not come with Tiger. Is this correct? I have to buy ilife in addition to tiger. I wasn't aware this was this case.

 

[Eastend]

I think I read in an earlier post the ilife will not come with Tiger. Is this correct? I have to buy ilife in addition to tiger. I wasn't aware this was this case.

I really cannot help you on that one. However, when I purchased Panther iLife did not come with it, when I purchased a new G5 it did. Do not know, but I'd bet it is a seperate purchase.

Brian

 

[Plymouthbreezer]

Hi guys, just wanted to chime in here...

This latest seed seems very stable, but is realllly slow for me.

Otherwise, it's looking good. 🙂

 

[~loserman~]

Hi guys, just wanted to chime in here...

This latest seed seems very stable, but is realllly slow for me.

Otherwise, it's looking good. 🙂

Your kidding right?

I have 12 software apps that have been broken by the last 3 seeds of Tiger.
Plus the server version kernel panics like crazy on my Xserves.

 

[Mike Teezie]

What would be truly awesome, is with all this attention on Tiger, Steve dropped some insane hardware on us at WWDC.

Unlikely, but the jaw drop factor would be super cool.

 

[notjustjay]

I think I read in an earlier post the ilife will not come with Tiger. Is this correct? I have to buy ilife in addition to tiger. I wasn't aware this was this case.

iLife has never been part of the OS, just pre-installed for free when you buy a new Mac.

 

[wdlove]

Hi guys, just wanted to chime in here...

This latest seed seems very stable, but is realllly slow for me.

Otherwise, it's looking good. 🙂

Happy to hear about you statement of its stability. What type of Mac are you running?

 

[Plymouthbreezer]

Your kidding right?

I have 12 software apps that have been broken by the last 3 seeds of Tiger.
Plus the server version kernel panics like crazy on my Xserves.

Nope, slow for me... Then again, I'm running it off my iPod!

Edit: To above question, I'm running an G4 17" iMac, 1 Ghz, 512 MB Ram.

 

[OasisNYK]

Is it worth buying a G4 powerbook if Tiger is right around the corner? Will it work on a G4 - or is the 64 bit instructions specifically for the G5?

I am going to buy a new laptop soon and I am liking the macs.

 

[~loserman~]

Is it worth buying a G4 powerbook if Tiger is right around the corner? Will it work on a G4 - or is the 64 bit instructions specifically for the G5?

I am going to buy a new laptop soon and I am liking the macs.

Tiger will run on a G3, G4 and G5.
Tiger is a 32 bit OS

The limited 64 bit support is only on G5
The 64 bit support is very very limited and most people/users will never see a benifit from it. It is only for POSIX based programs(read this as command line only) it will be used for daemons and command line apps.

 

[bosrs1]

I can't wait to see the final version. Tiger is gorgeous already and runs like a dream. I'm especially enjoying the Dashboard widgets and the new DVD player.

 

[wdlove]

Nope, slow for me... Then again, I'm running it off my iPod!

Edit: To above question, I'm running an G4 17" iMac, 1 Ghz, 512 MB Ram.

Sounds like you need to purchase more RAM. Not enough memory can be a big reason for your system acting slow. At least 1 GB would be a good idea.

 

[jayscheuerle]

Seems like there are a lot of conflicting reports...

Tiger...

Runs like a dream...

Is slow but stable...

Buggier with every new release...


Mileage may vary I guess, but I'd like a little bit more consistent evaluations if I'm expected to have faith in a product that is being willed to ship in the next couple months...

 

[bosrs1]

Tiger...

Runs like a dream...

Is slow but stable...

Buggier with every new release...


Mileage may vary I guess, but I'd like a little bit more consistent evaluations if I'm expected to have faith in a product that is being willed to ship in the next couple months...

I don't know where you're getting your info. But it's getting faster and less buggy with every new release. The latest one only has 15 minor bugs left as opposed to hundreds of major ones in the earlier releases.