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i propose (the very old and often cited, but nevertheless still surprisingly popular) 10.5.2 on friday new mbp on tuesday
this is the time frame i am hoping for. shame there is no way of telling, now, if that will be the case.
Is that "upgrading" as in Over-the-top of Tiger, or upgrading as in "I blew Tiger away and put Leopard on a fresh disk?".
Because the Latter is what I did and I have nary a wireless problem to be seen.
Both, for me I think it is a combination of things, my problems seem to happen because of a netgear router + leopard as when I was home for Christmas on a linksys no problems at all and before upgrading to leopard no problems.
More good news.
I have two hopes about this huge release:
1. It makes Leopard to be a high quality OS. I really hope Apple is trying to kill all of the big and medium bugs in one release. Sure, there will always be bugs, but hopefully 10.5.2 will make Leopard great.
2. The fact that Apple is trying to get Leopard really solid in one release--when in the past they would spread things out over many releases--is because they are excited to build on Leopard and the new interface ideas they have in the labs. A major update with iLife 09, iWork 09, Pro Apps, and 10.6, and they can't wait to get there. Hopefully they are trying to get 10.5 solid enough they can put it in "maintenance mode" and put most engineering resources on the future.
#2 is a fantasy since I think Apple is working on crazy cool stuff. But if I just get #1, and Leopard and it's apps are really solid--AND .Mac--I'll be really happy.
I have two hopes about this huge release:
1. It makes Leopard to be a high quality OS. I really hope Apple is trying to kill all of the big and medium bugs in one release. Sure, there will always be bugs, but hopefully 10.5.2 will make Leopard great.
2. The fact that Apple is trying to get Leopard really solid in one release--when in the past they would spread things out over many releases--is because they are excited to build on Leopard and the new interface ideas they have in the labs. A major update with iLife 09, iWork 09, Pro Apps, and 10.6, and they can't wait to get there. Hopefully they are trying to get 10.5 solid enough they can put it in "maintenance mode" and put most engineering resources on the future.
#2 is a fantasy since I think Apple is working on crazy cool stuff. But if I just get #1, and Leopard and it's apps are really solid--AND .Mac--I'll be really happy.
Differences in N spec?
I run an Airport Extreme (Gig-E/N) and the only thing I have issues with is AirDisk, which is probably a problem with the Extreme and Leopard (since Airdisk's seemed 'better' (but not great) in Tiger).
HP's site in Firefox is all black and looks totally different. In Safari, it is the same site they have had for awhile.
Under Vanguard's News & Commentary section, there are some rollover 'pop-up' things when you hover, but not in Safari.
Anyone who has something to add know if this Webkit stuff is what drives this and why Safari doesn't display the same?
That could be. I too have a Netgear router. I have a hard time downloading over about 100 MB at a time. And my Leopard was factory installed.
The software is the same out of the box. Unless there are hardware defects, the only variables would be users or 3rd party software/hardware.
I know I'd like to see Classic mode come back.
But I'm afraid what we'll see is Apple dropping all support for PPC going forward.
Read the threads in the searches I linked to. My install was a clean install. The major networking problems that many people are having is a huge leopard bug. It doesn't affect all people's networks, it affects networks in certain common configurations.
Fair enough. I understand that some people have problems. I didn't say they didn't exist. I'm just glad I don't have them because I'd be as frustrated as you guys!
I would like the AirDisk to work as 'promised', coupled with Time Machine writing to them (without a hack).
As in, made a copy of the Tiger install onto an external HDD (just in case) and nuked the drive & fresh-installed Leopard.
Won't see my wireless network unless I enable SSID broadcast. It was hit or miss for a while, but then just plain stopped finding it. And this is from 12 feet away from the router or less, in the same room. Trust me, it's Leopard.
You're wrong. Some network setups have a problem under leopard and some don't.
Let me explain just my particular scenario so you can get an idea. I had 2 different models powerbooks. Both could access several open public networks just using the Automatic location setting in system prefs. After upgrading the 2 laptops a few days apart from each other, the leopard install could no longer connect at the very same time as the earlier OS was connecting with no problem. Not only can't it connect under the automatic settings, but even no matter how I change the settings it still can't connect. When my girlfriend brings her vista laptop over, it also can connect to the open networks using vista's automatic settings.
It couldn't be more clear, the networking problem is from leopard.
I just edited my post while you were posting this to include hardware.
This problem you have must happen with everyone then?
There seems to be a wide variety of network gremlins that show up differently in different combinations. While I had Tiger I had small issues in linking to my Windoze machines through my Linksys router. Once I went to Leopard, the local network issues were all solved. After Leopard my internet experience dropped from an average of 4 Mbps down to 300 kbps down. The Windoze machines had no problem. I bought a Airport Extreme gb/n. Now everything is great. Go figure.
While we're young, Apple...
Of course, I should complain, since so far Leopard has been bullet-proof for me. No doubt one of these fixes will break something and that will teach me.
Of course, I should complain, since so far Leopard has been bullet-proof for me. No doubt one of these fixes will break something and that will teach me.
Yep, you're right, it's totally frustrating. It's only made more frustrating by some people who say things like "my network is working fine under leopard, so it must be a problem with your hardware or software setup."
Another thing that makes it even more frustrating is kind of ironic, which is that other than the major wifi problem, leopard is such an awesome OS! So I don't want to downgrade to my previous OS until they fix the problem, because leopard has tons of awesome stuff that I've already come to rely on. But wireless is such a major part of computing today, that's kind of like saying I love my new Lexus, it's super comfortable, gets great millage, looks great, and has great handling, but there's one problem - the engine doesn't start.
You guys crack me up. I was the first person to walk out of the Irvine Spectrum apple store with OS X Leopard. And you know what? I put it on my shelf where it still sits unopened.
I've been waiting since October to put a copy of Leopard on my MBP that was verified to work flawlessly with my Airport Extreme and Parallels. It sounds like it is just about ready to take out of the oven, but like a good brownie, I'm guessing it'll need another week or so to "cool" before it's ready for me to bite into!
I've been waiting since October to put a copy of Leopard on my MBP that was verified to work flawlessly with my Airport Extreme and Parallels. It sounds like it is just about ready to take out of the oven, but like a good brownie, I'm guessing it'll need another week or so to "cool" before it's ready for me to bite into!
BUT THE PROBLEM ISN'T WITH THE HARDWARE I'M USING, THE PROBLEM IS IN LEOPARD!!! Read my post which describes the details of the problem to see just how certain it is that the problem is with leopard connecting to the network, rather than a problem with the network itself.
10.6.0 is next after 10.5.2 to get ahead of Windows 7. Need all the OSX developers to work on 10.6. Sorry no 10.5.3.
LOL,
yeah, yeah very funny I'm sick of waiting for 10.5.2. I'm starting to feel ill just thinking about it. I want my life back Apple!!!
It haunts me.
I read it. You installed Leopard on a PowerBook, and it can no longer connect to a network it once connected to. All things being equal, every other PowerBook with Leopard will also not work on that network, correct? If any other PowerBook with Leopard does work on said network, it is a user error, or hardware failure.