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OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard Again Available on the Apple Online Store
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As someone who loved Snow Leopard and was disappointed with Lion by comparison, I really don't think Mountain Lion deserves the flack it's getting in this thread. With Lion, I found myself looking back at Snow Leopard, and being sad that it wasn't the latest OS anymore. With Mountain Lion, I feel much more comfortable with moving forward.
As for the nonsense iPadification arguments, have you ever used Mountain Lion's iPad-esque features? They're not meant to make your computer feel like a tablet. They're meant to give you a useful feature that just so happened to have existed on iOS first. Facebook integration, voice dictation, and launchpad and the notifications center are examples. Though to be fair, the Lion/Mountain Lion OSes aren't as much of a joy without a multitouch trackpad, and for those of us using Desktop Macs, that is disappointing.
But no, I disagree, this is not the inevitable merging of the two platforms happening now. And while Snow Leopard was solid, so was Tiger on Intel, and Panther. I see no reason to exclude Mountain Lion from that having finally replaced my Snow Leopard machine with a new Mac running Mountain Lion. Yes, Snow Leopard was the most practical release ever, but that doesn't make it any better or worse, in my opinion.
Mountain Lion is much more refined and polished, by far. A lot of stupid quirks from Lion are resolved and it is ultimately much nicer. If you are a Server user, I'd stick with either Lion Server or Snow Leopard Server as Mountain Lion Server, or "Mountain Lion with OS X Server" as Apple now calls 10.8 Server, sucks.
I'm new to this and working with Lion but have Mountain Lion and never installed. Now here comes again SL and now I am wondering to upgrade to Lion or can I downgrade to SL that's in the store? I would love to try something different.
Downgrade if you need to use something in Rosetta. Otherwise, just make a virtual machine and run it there. No reason in going with an outdated OS just to "try something new".
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Not only that, but it's the same thing with Windows. You couldn't upgrade from Windows 2000 to Vista (though why would you), nor could you upgrade from XP directly to 7, nor can you go from XP or Vista to 8. It's always been that you need the OS directly preceding. Yes, they made it super-strict when going from 10.6 to 10.7, but I imagine that had more to do with Mac App Store nonsense than anything else.
And how do you expect the user to make this DVD/Jump drive with out the App Store?
Sure you can pirate it to get up to Lion/Mountain Lion but then that isn't exactly legal is it. :/
Hugh
They should just release an "Upgrader" app you can download and run on Leopard.
This app lets you log into the Mac App Store, buy Mountain Lion, and install it. The app would serve no other purpose, and would be trivial to write.
But no, Apple decides to just do a pointless cash grab (the number of people who need to buy this has got to be miniscule, not to mention a large percentage can just borrow one from a friend). Really??
This app lets you log into the Mac App Store, buy Mountain Lion, and install it. The app would serve no other purpose, and would be trivial to write.
But no, Apple decides to just do a pointless cash grab (the number of people who need to buy this has got to be miniscule, not to mention a large percentage can just borrow one from a friend). Really??
I agree on the creeping featuritis of 10.7 and 10.8, but if you want to talk about "best OS", you'll have to do a lot of work to get me to turn away from System 7
System 7 was a stability nightmare. I think you mean System 7.1 (Pro).
Also, in the Microsoft world, Windows 2000 was the best one ever.
Its crazy how much potential hard drive space this kind of ridiculous system can take up. Apple's new iMac will only ship with one internal drive as do the new retina MacBooks without the possibility of an optibay for further expansion. MacBook airs are even worse off considering how little space the SSDs have.
To make matters worse, these drives are typically SSD drives where not only is capacity limiting but all this writing to the drive effectively screws over the lifespan of a drive, especially third party drives without TRIM.
Apple has never been known for choice or options and this will be the cause of their eventual demise. What surprises me is that very few people even outside of the MacRumors site every say anything against this. I understand it not happening in this forum seeing how so many memeber just gobble up whatever Apple says or does, but there really arent many rational thinkers out there.
while that seems true it neglects the biggest problem of small hand held gear. the print is small yeah when you have 20 year old eyes it seems cool. but eyes age and you can't read small print and it is a huge turnoff to a large segment of pc users. i am 55 i have worked with computers for 38 years. While i like smart phones the print is small and is a hassle. I have had double cataract surgery and had great results for far and middle vision at the price of okay results for close up.
most every 20 year old will reach 55. so while i would be 90 when a 20 year today reaches 55 my point is small smart phones have a yet unsolved problem.
I was playing with a mini ipad for my eyes it works but a little too big for my hand.
my thought process is an expanding/contracting mini ipad.
so apple a free idea to work on. make the machine grow or shrink to fit your hand and your eyes. now if this is where they are going i am on their side.
I could not agree more. I replaced all of my Macs in 2010 when I got wind that 10.6 days were numbered. All so that I could have 10.6.8 on fresh computers.
Fast, stable and free of much of the iOS "eye candy", there's no desire on my part, or the firm I work for to "upgrade" anytime soon.
That said I have bought some new MBP's and MBA's since, that run the latest version of OS X, but I've done it only to continue to evaluate the latest revs.
I'm sure at some point Apple will force us to upgrade, but we are going to enjoy what we have till then.
I miss Snow Leopard so much. A Mac made sense as a Mac on Snow Leopard. Now a Mac on Mountain Lion is a computer with an identity crisis, trying to be an iPad.
So does this mean I can "upgrade" from Lion back to Snow Leopard?? What if I installed SL clean on a fresh HD and brought all my files and apps over??
A truck? Really? Do you work for apple? Because the only people that still use that ridiculous comparison are apple employees and its been debunked plenty of times.
You not only sound like an apple employee, but also sound a lot like Steve Jobs... did you make this same argument for those with antennagate and told them they were holding it wrong?
Good, now that you understand that some tools work for some and others don't for some, you should also realize that OS 10.7 and 10.8 dont add much flexibility where as the tools that USED to work in 10.6.8 are now gone and no way of adjusting things, which is essentially whats wrong with apple and you fail to see; its their way or the highway. The lack of Expose with Snow Leopards behavior is the #1 reason thats keeping me away from 10.7 and 10.8 as well as all the other forced crap that apple released.... like version without much options for that garbage to be turned OFF. But hey, its easier to just try and slam someone without any knowledge on the matter, right bud?
If you think Apple actually cares for consumers over profits, youre delusional. They don't. They never have and never will. If you had some vested stocks you wouldn't care either. They're not a humanitarian organization, they would chew you up and spit you out if it meant profits.
I used to be a Mac Pro owner. That should tell you everything.
So because your job doesnt require a good computer, everyone else's needs are irrelevant? I see.
As others have stated, put the latest drivers into SL, and I would then buy future Macs, rather than go Linux, once my current Mac dies.
while you would think so the problem is my corrective surgery has one eye at 20-12 and one eye at 20-80 this is done with a lot of cataract victims,
the 20-12 in my case allows far distance viewing instant no issues. the 20-80 allows for middle viewing pretty well. the brain does the processing to make it look perfectly clear.
but there is more lag to focus as the print gets smaller. so little screens expanding quickly to full small sections of a page are pretty much worthless to me. the fast expansion would be great but then i have to wait a while for my brain to make that adjustment go into focus. this pretty much has fully forced me out of smartphone use.
If the smaller iPad worked as a smart phone I could make due. I was talking with my eye surgeon and he was telling me this is a growing problem as millions of boomers like myself know how to use the gear and can't. Well since this is not going to vanish only grow over time I am sure some smart guy will figure out a better interface. Lets say there are 2 million people like myself in the us. under 65 tech savvy with some coin to spend . in ten years the tech savvy group over 50 will be bigger not smaller.
our solution right now is an iPad and a cheap cell phone. or a macbook air and a cheap cell phone. it would be nice to have a better solution.
Lion was one step forward, two steps back.
ML is just three steps forward.
You keep smashing looms. I'll enjoy OS X the way it was meant to be.
System 7 was a stability nightmare. I think you mean System 7.1 (Pro).
Also, in the Microsoft world, Windows 2000 was the best one ever.
I'd go 7.6.1; I know some things were worse but it was the very end of the line for 68030!
Windows 2000 was indeed awesome.
I inclined to agree... Lion and ML are bloatware...
Just hit Command+N repeatedly (and fast) on Finder or Safari, and ML will struggle to keep up. It happens even with that stupid New Window Animation TURNED OFF as per listed on osxdaily.com.
I don't see that problem in SL...
And I'm waiting for those SL detractors to say GT 330M is a lousy piece of junk...?
Just When....
I was having serious doubts about Apple (they released the new Mac Mini with a defective HDMI output), I read that SL will become available again. And why not? It is THE BEST OS 10 version that Apple ever released. And if they can make a few $$ selling something that is pure profit....its a win/win.
Now please go fix the Mac Mini so I can pick one up!!!
I was having serious doubts about Apple (they released the new Mac Mini with a defective HDMI output), I read that SL will become available again. And why not? It is THE BEST OS 10 version that Apple ever released. And if they can make a few $$ selling something that is pure profit....its a win/win.
Now please go fix the Mac Mini so I can pick one up!!!