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You can have the same feature for the end-user on both computers (the feature being smart multitasking) even if they run differently. Problem solved.

If someone told you that Windows machines and Macs both have the feature of 'file management' would you pipe up and say they are different features because they do it differently? Maybe you would.

Like I said, depends on the implementation. The way Apple's been going these days (hello? No "save as"?) I wouldn't put it beyond them to completely **** this up, at least in the first iteration.
 
Like I said, depends on the implementation. The way Apple's been going these days (hello? No "save as"?) I wouldn't put it beyond them to completely **** this up, at least in the first iteration.

Just to be clear, you, splitpea, believe that Apple would implement multitasking which prohibits any background activity (beyond maybe alerts and audio streams from iTunes)? Because that's what I've been responding to. Or does "I wouldn't put it completely beyond them to @#$% it up, at least in the first iteration" now mean something different? (You really hedged your bets there btw)
 
Clearly you never move files from one folder to another.

I do all the time. And my idea of it would be you move the file to the tab/folder you want it in and it moves it there. No need to have multiple windows open to move files anymore.
 
Fix the "reload when going back a page" first, please.

+1 Please please!!!!!!! Waiting for Safari to snap out of sleep to recall something from your ram that was just there one page ago is the dumbest thing ever. Make that snappy and we'll have a discussion.
 
I'm hoping for the same, but I'm not expecting it to be supported. Damn fine machine - 5 years old and still runs beautifully.

A big question is what macs will they drop support for? At this point they're down to all 64 bit machines (including 64 bit efi) so what will the next cutoff point be?

I expect the system requirements will be the same. The only reason the system requirements went up was due to the CPU transition, and with that complete there is no reason to arbitrarily limit older machines. There's a chance Apple might up the RAM requirement to 4 GB, but if this multitasking rumor is correct they shouldn't need to.
 
So, it took Apple 2 years to bring support for multiple monitors? That's very innovative, should have been there since OS X 10.7.1 at the latest.

Ehm, the Mac has had multiple-monitors support since 1986, way before Windows.

Edit: and of course maybe you were talking about support for multiple monitors for the full-screen mode, which is what this is about (and Windows 8 doesn't even do it for the Metro environment...) but your post made it sound like the Mac did not support multiple monitors at all, which is simply not true.
 
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Yes please to better multi-monitor support - I really like using Xcode in fullscreen mode on my laptop, but I can't do it when I have my external monitor connected (Unless I feel like looking at a nice linen background on one screen.)
 
Glad to know, Safari will be faster, when I use it to download Firefox and Chrome.

I hope, you can turn off background suspend. When you have a process that will take days to run, you don't want to freeze it, just because you want to check something on a web page.

It would be nice, if we could set the priority of background and foreground tasks. Lets say, 95% background 5% foreground.

haha, I do the same thing -- I like Chrome more than Safari.

With respect to background/foreground tasks, I'm not sure what your needs are but you can do that through Terminal (the unix 'nice' command). But yes, from a non-terminal perspective, that would be cool
 
Just to be clear, you, splitpea, believe that Apple would implement multitasking which prohibits any background activity (beyond maybe alerts and audio streams from iTunes)? Because that's what I've been responding to. Or does "I wouldn't put it completely beyond them to @#$% it up, at least in the first iteration" now mean something different? (You really hedged your bets there btw)

I'm not sure what I believe they would do in the name of "simplification" and battery life. If I'd asked you 5 years ago whether you really believed they'd eliminate the ability to resave an open file under a different name, you'd probably have thought I was crazy.

Yes, they eventually backtracked on that, but I would have switched computing platforms rather than try to do my work on a system with Lion.

Lack of a global setting to disable autosave still has me nervous about upgrading from Snow Leopard, given that I often open files from within an FTP client and most assuredly DO NOT want tweaks automatically saved to my websites. Nor do I want shared Dropbox files to be automatically updated on all my co-workers' computers when I poke at the numbers in a spreadsheet to see what would happen if we changed an assumption.

So yeah, Apple has taken multiple severe steps backward in usability over the past few years. Including introducing "features" that could easily result in severe data loss. I very much *hope* that they're not about to enforce iOS-style multitasking, but I'd rather be pleasantly surprised when they don't than miserably disappointed when they do.
 
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Today's report also indicates that Apple has been working on new ideas for multitasking that could be included in OS X 10.9, drawing some inspiration from iOS....

Really?

So, only Apple and a handful of other apps will be allowed to run in the background, while the vast majority of applications will not?

I am kidding, of course (I hope), but the sad truth is that Apple should be implementing true multitasking in iOS, not the other way around.
 
Might be time to ditch the beloved dock. Launchpad does the same thing and the two of them together are very redundant features.

Plus, the dock has always taken up unnecessary screen real estate when it's only needed some of the time. Yes, you can hide it, but that's not on by default. Just go with the iOS-y Launchpad and save the pixels at the bottom of the screen for something else.
 
Safari could give out free massages but until it removes the reload when going back a page, I will use chrome.
 
Tabbed Finder windows is fantastic. I hope the action of using two at once will be slick.

Can't wait to see what they pull out of the hat for OS XI, however.
 
Command+Tab is basically the same thing as quick app switching on iOS. I could see them just changing the UI of this feature and have the bottom of the screen raise up with the gray cloth background as in iOS. Command+Tab could still trigger it. Makes sense.
 
Apple needs to simplify the OS again.
The downloading process is confusing to newbies. DMG, eject, etc is ridiculous. They should automate opening a download and simplify it like it was before OSX.
There are other areas that could use simplification as well. The scroll arrows should be returned to an option of having them on both ends.
Safari needs to be faster and more compatible with websites.
 
What would be really cool is if the hide apps function could be used to pause apps. That is a very clear user managed way to say I don't want to close this app but I am not using it right now. I think in that scenario the pause app feature could be great but I probably don't want it more automated than that.

Let's hope that 10.9 doesn't introduce any more app store only API's.
 
Oh dont you know, it will be

OS X Tabby

or quite possibly…

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:D

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My list of things I'd like to see

1. Siri
2. Some UI changes
3. make the 2D dock an option :p
4. full screen reminders
5. Toned down skeuomorphed apps
6. better use of NC… with weather/ stock widgets
7. more of a built in customizable gesture support
 
Might be time to ditch the beloved dock. Launchpad does the same thing and the two of them together are very redundant features.

Plus, the dock has always taken up unnecessary screen real estate when it's only needed some of the time. Yes, you can hide it, but that's not on by default. Just go with the iOS-y Launchpad and save the pixels at the bottom of the screen for something else.

iOS still has both. Lqunchpad is just that: a launcher for all your apps. The Dock is a launcher for selected apps and an app management tool.
 
Apple needs to simplify the OS again.
The downloading process is confusing to newbies.DMG, eject, etc is ridiculous. They should automate opening a download and simplify it like it was before OSX.

That's what the app store is for.

There are other areas that could use simplification as well. The scroll arrows should be returned to an option of having them on both ends.

Not being rude, but how is adding scroll arrows going to make scrolling simpler? Isn't it just as simple to use the two finger scrolling and not have to worry about clicking to move the page down?
 
Rubbish. The algorithm that decides when apps should or should not go is an Apple algotithm.


If an app can be automatically terminated is dependent on developers. When and why any given app is terminated if the OS has permission is down to the OS.



There are plenty of devs who are morons.



If Safari is content to lose data and corrupt downloads in this way, why should I trust that Apple apps will terminate properly and are coded correctly without losing data?



Not really, I have both to burn and I am better off manually managing it.

This is just not true... Here is a quote from apple's docs to avoid having to argue about this anymore:
To support automatic termination, you should do the following:

Declare your app’s support for automatic termination, either programmatically or using an Info.plist key.
Support saving and restoring your window configurations.
Save the user’s data at appropriate times.
Single-window, library-style apps should implement strategies for saving data at appropriate checkpoints.
Multiwindow, document-based apps can use the autosaving and saveless documents capabilities in NSDocument.
Whenever possible, support sudden termination for your app as well.

What it doesn't mention is that you can at any time enable or disable automatic termination support via a pair of NSProcessInfo methods. There is an algorithm as you say, but you can choose wether or not you want to allow the algorithm to work via those two methods. So, again, developers have complete control over it, and the OS decides wether it wants to use the power given to it by the app's devs.
 
I think Siri on MacOS X could be good. Do you long press the Mouse to call her up? Also what is this upgrade going to cost.
It figures that they would thrown in Tabbed Finder now that I just bought software to do that.
 
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