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OS X Default in March

Quark 5 beta looks great. It's got pretty much all I wanted, the only thing is that it's not too stable now. It's a fun program, it just seems to have a ram leak or something.

It's got layers and tables, big pluses.

I dont' really care one way or the other about platinum. I guess it's nice looking. I just want the functionality.
 
Quark will have to go to OSX eventually, especially if Photoshop and all the other major apps go that way. Quark is a great program and they have always been battling on some level against Pagemaker, so it's in their own best interest to go OSX.
BTW, greenplasticcup I like the handle! No pun intended, just a good screen name.
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Waiting for FCP OSX.
 
Classic is whats holding OS X back

OS X runs fine for me - even on an older G3. And the idea of Classic makes great sense to fill the void while we wait for OS X apps to come out. But no one I know can scan or print from Classic. This makes no sense: it's the same periferals connected to the same port; why can't Apple make OS X interpret the existing OS 9 drivers?

Until they get that part of Classic working, no one who needs to print or scan (or use older CD burners or external hard drives etc.) can use OS X exclusively. And that's a lot of people (who don't necessarily feel like upgrading all their peripherals along with all their software the same year, just to update their OS, no matter how great it looks.)
 
Thanks

Thanks for the screen shot, greenplasticcup. It looks really good.

I understand what you mean about Platinum - it's just aesthetics after all. But if an app does not look Platinum, then the odds are it's a long way off Carbon, either because they're using the old APIs or they're doing it the wrong way, which is Quark all over.

I also remember the OS X demo of Quark at MWNY, and I really hope we'll see it soon, but on past experience, I won't hold my breath for Quark to get their act together. They used to make a big thing out of taking ages to release upgrade because they would only release stable software. But Quark 4.0 rather undermined that arguement, right? ;)
 
First, Quark 5 is suppose to be Carbonized on release. Remember the expo?

As for adobe, they are taking a long time because A) they are building things from the ground up to run nativiely in cocoa, because they want to do things right, and not just port it over. B) They are very understaffed right now since they are having financial problems, C) GoLive 5, Indesign 2, Illustrator 10, and After Effects 5.5 are all OS X Native. The reason photoshop is taking so long is because it's a TON of code. Probably their biggest application, and re-wrting it from the ground up is going to take a while, especially being understaffed.

My old machine, an original iMac DV SE ran OS X.0.4 fine with 256 megs of ram, and it ran amazingly smooth with X.1 and even smoother with 10.1.1. I went ahead and got a Dual G4 800, and it runs great. I even run UT in classic and get at least 45+ frames a second with an occasional burp or two.

At work I run a 350 B&W G3 as my work machine, and a Beige 300 G3 as a test server running Filemaker and Apache full force using 10.1.1. I have had no real problems.

Also, a lot of my Unix and Linux friends love OS X. A few of them have bought older machines to play with it.

Where I work, which is predominately mac, we are still on 8.6. Why? Because we have an ancient 4D database and it won't run on anything higher. When we finally upgrade, I have the duties to upgrading all the machines to OS X, which runs good on the 400+ powerbooks.

I really don't know what all the fuss is about. Mainly people that don't want to change, don't want to learn something new, or just grinches.

My two cents.
 
A couple of comments...

Firstly, Quark 5 is not going to be Carbon on release - here's a quote from the Quark Web site:

"a native version of QuarkXPress is currently under development and will be available after we release QuarkXPress 5.0, which is scheduled to ship later this year."

Secondly, Adobe are not building Cocoa apps, and are certainly not rewriting from scratch. The whole point of OS X and the difference between it and Rhapsody is that the Carbon framework exists to enable developers to easily port Mac OS apps to OS X - something like 75% of the APIs used in the old OS are available in OS X. These are described as Carbon APIs, together with some new ones they've added. APIs are the standard tools that application developers use to build apps on a particular OS. No one in their right mind would rebuild something like Photoshop in Cocoa when it's already 75% there in Carbon.

There's nothing wrong with a Carbon app if it's done well, and it can be considered native - Office v.X is also Carbon. If you want an example of a great Cocoa app, take a look at OmniWeb.

Here's an article on the subject from Think Secret:
http://www.thinksecret.com/features/photoshopx.html
 
Mac OS X _is_ the future

Hey, what about this one?

Yesterday I was with a friend. He has recently bought a PC, and installed Windows XP on it. He was very excited about Windows XP.
When I arrived with my lovely 600 MHz Combo iBook, he started to drool at the looks of it, but he thought: "Hey, it's just another OS in a nice wrapping"

But as I showed him more apps and features, he started to realize that all the cool stuff from WinXP was just a poor copy of the cool features a Mac has. He realized MovieMaker wasn't revolotionary software (he asked me if iMovie and iTunes were available for PC) and at the end of the evening he was really dissapointed he just bought a brand new PC. He wanted a Mac so badly!

So... He also asked me what the future of Mac and OS X was going to be.

I answered him OS X is starting to rock (starting with 10.1). I think OS X 10.2 will be THE operating system. When will it be released? What about March? When new computers start to ship with it...

Everybody knows OS X is the only opportunity left for Apple. But I think they will make it. First of all they have to stop users making the move from Mac to Windows. And then Windows-users can start making the move to Mac OS X.

Hey, I'm a converted user.
 
Re: Mac OS X _is_ the future

Originally posted by McFreggle

Everybody knows OS X is the only opportunity left for Apple. But I think they will make it. First of all they have to stop users making the move from Mac to Windows. And then Windows-users can start making the move to Mac OS X.

Hey, I'm a converted user.
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thats funny. i'm not quite sure what "only opportunity left" means. more importantly - i have never known any mac users that switch to pc... i do know many poor souls who have to switch to the dark side for work. i work with both. we may have to work with them, but at the end of the day we all come home to our loving macs.
peaceout
 
moves from mac to windows

our core five percent of the market would stay with apple no matter what but a lot of the late adopters of the mac with the imac in 98 were certainly fickle because all those users, or many of them seemed to have gone somewhere

but where?

to the pc world?

or did a lot of people just stop, en masse, buying computers because they finally felt happy with what they had and bought cheap pcs for second computers to go with their macs?

i would then not call that moving from mac to windows

i got a pc after my ibook and maybe will get another cheap pc for my work as a pc tech...but under no circumstance will i consider myself a traitor, even if pcdata and industry bean counters would consider me a fence jumper

if i could do my job with vitual pc, i would

all the above speculation is just a theory though!

what do you guys think happened with the apple share of the market?
 
The dark side

I love Macs - but I can't survive without a PC as well.

My company develops Web applications, and the front end of our apps will never be as good on Mac as on PC, because IE for Mac simply does not offer as much funtionality as IE for Windows.

We always make our apps Mac compatible of course ;) but without Microsoft's IE for Mac team getting their act together, I'll always need a PC laptop for new business meetings.
 
honesty

now that you mentioned what really happens in the real world, you better hide out in a deep network of desert caves to hide out from the mac zealots

when i go out on IT calls, i wear either my microsoft jacket, which gets me attacked; or my apple jacket, which got stolen by a client who thought he was pablo escobar but still may well be very armed and ready to fill me with bullet holes if i try to get it back

aren't you brits happy that guns are not as easy to buy as condoms...guns are easy enough to buy legally, but illegally, anything goes in the major american cities among the youth culture (that is why i am a social worker volunteer every friday afternoon for heroin users...and not because i saw trainspotting)

i guess i better get another apple jacket, it beats getting shot

mymemory, are things this bad in big venezuela cities like they are in the US cities? or do all big cities of the world have an unwritten charter that says all boys with too much testosterone are to buy small, concealable semi-automatic handguns

[Edited by jefhatfield on 11-28-2001 at 12:05 PM]
 
No Classic?

Hope this doesnt mean that there are doing away witht he clasic environment--i still have non OSX games and such that I dont want to lose! Anyone know?
 
Can anyone find a Webcam that works on OS X? I can use a Logitech Quickcam VC with Classic and iVisit, but without sound (since Classic doesn't support sound input).
 
OS X DEFAULT

I'm a teacher but a little bit of an observer too.
If Apple's main market id DTP then if Quark and photoshop aren't ready then who's kidding who?
Freehand 10 can't print to the current Epson printer driver for their top of the range 1290 inkjets. A macromedia rep at a recent UK show said " OSX can't talk to anything. Certainly my experience.
I've had complete OS X hang twice in two days just because I was trying to run IE in both native and classic environments. Couldn't get it force quit or anything. Just like the usual Mac crash. Turn it off at the mains and restart.
Internet Connect on OS X won't recognise a a second connect click. If you are disconnected you have to quit and restart the app. The only good thing is that the dialogue box for clicking to stay connected has made a welcome return from system about 8.5?
All in all even for a low end user it ain't safe to switch.
So professional people must still be very doubtful.
 
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