Sounds reasonable. Both 27" and 21,5" retinas.Does this signify a 21" 4k Thunderbolt display is coming?...................(I'll get my coat!)
They are waiting until they have a better-performing 4k panels and in sufficient supply (and possibly the release of skylake so they have processors that have better support for the resolution).Hasn't been updated since Sept 2011, and they're still selling it for £900. Crazy.
In the same code there were hints at unreleased mobile GPUs from AMD, the R9-M380, M390, M395, M395X, and an Intel Iris Pro 6200 which is already on the market.
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Why Apple is still doing business with AMD is beyond me. nVidia's GPUs are so much more powerful while operating at a lower TDP, and Apple's terrible cooling design in the iMac isn't helping either. Both the CPU and GPU are known to thermal throttle themselves before they overheat and shut down because of Apple's desire to make a thinner desktop. IT'S A DESKTOP YOU WANKERS. IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE THIN OR CARRIED AROUND. PLEASE. STOP IT.
The M370X in rMBP does, as well as M290, M290X and M295X in riMac. Now, these are of course two different things: that GPU's support 5k and they are sufficient for it. But you can't even display 5k with Nvidia mGPU's. Only the latest Titan desktop monster supports 5k.
UPDATE: Also, why Apple prefers AMD over Nvidia at the moment is that AMD customizes their chips for their customers needs. That could be where Apple / AMD deal is heading at the moment. We will se more products with Apple specific specs. 5k support is just one part of it.
Ivy Bridge CPU's were TDP 77W. Haswell is 88W. So don't blame just the GPU's. With Skylake it'll go down to 65W. That'll give more room for next gen' GPU's. Skylake is due to Sept/Oct. 2015. As is El Capitan.
They are waiting until they have a better-performing 4k panels and in sufficient supply (and possibly the release of skylake so they have processors that have better support for the resolution).
The cooling design is not at fault - it's the choice of hardware.
The cooling system was designed for an Ivy Bridge CPU and the (at top end) Nvidia GTX 680MX . The TDP on that GPU is 122W, and it is very good in that setup (I own one). It's cool and quiet even under heavy load and it doesn't throttle.
Don't blame the cooling, blame the terrible choice of GPU. I have no idea why they picked AMD (probably for OpenCL, or some limitation Nvidia had with 5k resolution perhaps) but in doing so they really cooked the goose, literally.
Eyes don't improve with age.
Take a closer look at the P2415 and the U2515H. Both have good reviews. I personally opted for the 2415 eventually.I may have to check out new Dell monitors in the near future.
Take a closer look at the P2415 and the U2515H. Both have good reviews. I personally opted for the 2415 eventually.
Keep in mind that you need a machine that properly supports 4k@60Hz, otherwise your experience will suffer (e.g. the current Mac mini only supports 4k@30Hz out of the box). You would also need a DisplayPort (or Thunderbolt) output or HDMI 2.0 for driving a 4k display at 60Hz in full resolution.
Internally the 5K iMacs are using a custom cable to transport two DP v1.2 streams to the display controller. Likewise the M370X in rMBP , the 5K iMacs , and the Mac Pro can use two cables to drive a external 5K display.
True, it's not just the GPU, but the Late 2012 iMac with the 680MX had considerable overhead room for overclocking the GPU and keeping it stable and cool without doing any modification, so an 11W increase in CPU TDP shouldn't have been a big deal.
Are you suggesting you need a 5K phone?I'm 43 and can see every pixel on my 2011 21.5" iMac it's actually quite jarring when you've just been using a Retina 13" Macbook Pro. The same goes for Phones.
Hey Old Codger, don't feel battered, just go to the Apple Store and have them toggle it on and off, if you don't see a big difference, join the club.It seems I'm being battered from all sides, on this issue.As I mentioned to MikhailT, I will investigate upgrades.
Thank you very much for the image and explanation - it does look convincing. I may have to check out new Dell monitors in the near future.
In addition to what other said already, please remember that the non-Apple monitors need to be configured properly on Macs (you need at the very least 10.10.3 to enable SST support at 60Hz for monitors that support it).
In addition, you have to make sure it is used at HiDPI mode, meaning, half the native resolution. I believe it will render at native resolution by default and you have to configure it to scale at HiDPI.
Only the legally uninformed would espouse such marketing nonsense. The real benefit of a "Retina" display is to Apple's bottom line.
If it works for you, good, there is no noticeable benefit for me,.As an over-40 person who owns both standard and HDPI displays, I personally guarantee that retina displays are completely worthwhile. It's pretty tough to go back once you get used to retina. If you're blind and can't see what's right in front of you, well, I'm sorry. Most of us are sighted and can see things, though. Instead of engaging in sour grapes, it would probably be worthwhile to see a doctor.
--Eric
Are you suggesting you need a 5K phone?
Be patient, your eyesight will fail unless you're met by an untimely demise.
But it is not the same screen. The 680MX isn't being tasked with driving a 5K screen. Nor are they being tasked with doing Retina scaling. It is in part the cooling design, because it is exactly the same for the last 2-3 years. Apple is using the same fans on the 5K models as on the rest of the line up.
Apple cooked its own goose by being cheap and reusing the same design ( going for maximum component reuse across models .... which is systemic across all of the Mac models. ). And it is the same "look no vents" design approach that cooked GPU in MBP laptops when Apple first iterated to the "even slimmer" MBPs.
The 27" iMac tries to pull hot air down to push it out of the box. That is just not really a good practice in general. It is the opposite direction that hot air wants to go. They can make it work but will have to huff and puff harder.
But it seems to be a big issue when going from 100W M290X to 125W M295X. So, when Intel goes from Haswell to Skylake, thermal issues should be won over. Unless Apple installs 150W chip on next version of iMac.
Call it glib, but you and I are from two fundamentally different and incompatible demographics.Actually I'm saying that a Retina (or for the sake of argument a HD equivalent) display is far preferable to a pre Retina display (be it PC or Mobile). I would have thought that this would have been obvious in the way in which I posited my response and furthermore in the context of the discussion.
However if that's causing you some difficulty and you want to continue to post glib responses, be my guest. Happy Trolling.