OS X El Capitan : What a good news for rMB !

[shenan1982]

What has Windows brought to the table recently? The reintroduction of the Start menu?

Also, colorfulness does not automatically denote liveliness. OS X is definitely more fun than Windows 8 or 10. (Statistics also show that OS X is perceived to be cooler than Windows, so....just saying') ;D

Tiles design is visually very appealing. Never heard of anyone saying OS X is more fun than Windows lately... least not anyone who's used Win 8.1 or 10... It's great, especially on a touch screen, to have a stock and news and weather tile... very pretty. But hey, people defending Apple's lack of change and lack of inspiration in their UI on both iOS and OS X is why Apple doesn't change, so you just keep at that.

 

[shenan1982]

Lol wut. Windows is a complete dog. You want animated square whacamole go switch

Clearly you haven't used windows lately. Give 10 a try and you'll see it's not a "complete dog". Not saying OS X needs to go that far, but a little modernization of the UI wouldn't hurt.

Why do you think car manufacturers change the body style of cars every 4-5 years? Can you imagine if Honda had been putting out the same body styling since 2002? Except with updated cup holders and better mpg? Basically that's what Apple has done with OS X.

 

[shenan1982]

Just out of curiosity, what would you like to see implemented in iOS or OS X that hasn't been yet? I think you're right to some level, but Android is plateauing too. I think we're at a point with these operating systems that you're really not going to see any more huge innovation anymore. Android M implements some elements that iOS has been doing for years and iOS9 takes some from Android.

The difference is you can take an Android handset out of the box and make it look completely your own. The same cannot be said about apple. Everyones' home screens look exactly the same (except those who jailbreak). For a company that preaches diversity, mehhhhhhh

 

[shenan1982]

Lol. How is Apple stuck in 2005?

Look at OS X from 2005. Look at it today. Now look at an MP3 player from 2005 and then today. Now look at the OSD on your TV in 2005 and look at it today. Look at your car interior and exterior in 2005 and today. Now back to OS X and it looks pretty much the same.

I don't understand why people defend Apple's stagnation. Especially since apple has historically been top of its game when it comes to new and exciting things. Now we sit back and watch everyone else get the cool toys and say "when can we play in the sand box?"

 

[Queen6]

Just out of curiosity, what would you like to see implemented in iOS or OS X that hasn't been yet? I think you're right to some level, but Android is plateauing too. I think we're at a point with these operating systems that you're really not going to see any more huge innovation anymore. Android M implements some elements that iOS has been doing for years and iOS9 takes some from Android.

I don't want to more functionality for the sake of being different, I want Apple to focus on security, stability, performance, and the small details. There is simply no need to keep reinventing OS X every 12 months, it`s not a mobile platform, and in my opinion doing so only results in a "rush to the gate" to get the OS out the door. I believe we would all be far happier if Apple released new iterations of OS X when they are complete and fully tested. What Apple is now dong with 10.11 is by far the most sensible thing they have done in years with OS X

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[headcase]

I don't want to more functionality for the sake of being different, I want Apple to focus on security, stability, performance, and the small details. There is simply no need to keep reinventing OS X every 12 months, it`s not a mobile platform, and in my opinion doing so only results in a "rush to the gate" to get the OS out the door. I believe we would all be far happier if Apple released new iterations of OS X when they are complete and fully tested. What Apple is now dong with 10.11 is by far the most sensible thing they have done in years with OS X

Q-6

+1. I strongly believe that's why Snow Leopard 10.6 was such a popular release of OS X.

 

[ZachNathan]

Clearly you haven't used windows lately. Give 10 a try and you'll see it's not a "complete dog". Not saying OS X needs to go that far, but a little modernization of the UI wouldn't hurt.

Why do you think car manufacturers change the body style of cars every 4-5 years? Can you imagine if Honda had been putting out the same body styling since 2002? Except with updated cup holders and better mpg? Basically that's what Apple has done with OS X.

It's literally been 2 years since the redesign of OS X. TWO YEARS.

 

[jcmeyer5]

Here's hoping 10.11 (I refuse to use the name) does cure some performance woes on the new MacBook. That and hopefully a price drop should make it a much more attractive product.

 

[shenan1982]

It's literally been 2 years since the redesign of OS X. TWO YEARS.

"Redesign?" Would you like a cookie to dip in your kool-aid? LOL.

 

[objektør]

Here's hoping 10.11 (I refuse to use the name) does cure some performance woes on the new MacBook. That and hopefully a price drop should make it a much more attractive product.

it's for free.

 

[T'hain Esh Kelch]

it's for free.

I assume he meant the Macbook.

 

[ZachNathan]

"Redesign?" Would you like a cookie to dip in your kool-aid? LOL.

Yes, a redesign. Spotlight was completely revamped with a new interface, icons were dramatically flattened, the previous level of skeuomorphism present in 10.9 and earlier was dramatically reduced, transparency was added, fonts changed, integration with other devices, specifically of the Apple brand, was undeniably elevated to an unprecedented scale with Continuity and Handoff, and the iOS-ification of OS X was stepped up. That's a pretty heavy redesign, seeing how much work it takes to recalibrate an entire operating system to Helvetica Neue, much less a full shift in digital design motifs.

And I can't drink Kool-Aid. It makes my face break out.

 

[shenan1982]

Yes, a redesign. Spotlight was completely revamped with a new interface, icons were dramatically flattened, the previous level of skeuomorphism present in 10.9 and earlier was dramatically reduced, transparency was added, fonts changed, integration with other devices, specifically of the Apple brand, was undeniably elevated to an unprecedented scale with Continuity and Handoff, and the iOS-ification of OS X was stepped up. That's a pretty heavy redesign, seeing how much work it takes to recalibrate an entire operating system to Helvetica Neue, much less a full shift in digital design motifs.

And I can't drink Kool-Aid. It makes my face break out.

None of those are a redesign. Look at windows 3.x to windows 95. Look at windows 7 to windows 8. That's what redesign looks like. Apple keeps trying to hype minor cosmetic tweaks and under the hood updates when they're not revolutionary or even redesigned.

 

[bcaslis]

None of those are a redesign. Look at windows 3.x to windows 95. Look at windows 7 to windows 8. That's what redesign looks like. Apple keeps trying to hype minor cosmetic tweaks and under the hood updates when they're not revolutionary or even redesigned.

Bullpucky. Mavericks had major under the hood improvements in app time slicing and Yosemite was a lot more than a "minor cosmetic tweak". Your negative posts here lately really sound like you would be happier going to windows.

 

[shenan1982]

Bullpucky. Mavericks had major under the hood improvements in app time slicing and Yosemite was a lot more than a "minor cosmetic tweak". Your negative posts here lately really sound like you would be happier going to windows.

So someone seeing that Microsoft is finally doing the right thing and giving users what they want is reason to say "let's give Apple a pass" ??? We've given them many many passes. Sorry I am not a kool-aid drinking, everything-apple-does-is-golden-praising kind of person. I'm realistic. Apple is eating the dust of Windows. To have an OS that can run well on a tablet or a desktop is a big feat, and MSFT is doing it really well, and based on my experience thus far with the Win 10 preview, they're continuing to pull ahead of Apple.

So I guess I could just say everything is great with Apple's OS X, or I could provide realistic opinions from a user who doesn't feel like he's seen a nice update in YEARS. So if I sound like my posts are negative, I could say yours are delusional if you think OS X has done anything in 5 years besides minor tweaks, cosmetic features, and the bare minimum in adding a couple niche features.

Mavericks vs Yosemite visual changes. OMG, yeah, such huge changes, I can barely contain my excitement....

 

[ZachNathan]

None of those are a redesign. Look at windows 3.x to windows 95. Look at windows 7 to windows 8. That's what redesign looks like. Apple keeps trying to hype minor cosmetic tweaks and under the hood updates when they're not revolutionary or even redesigned.

I absolutely assure that the entirety of OS X has undergone a major redesign with Yosemite. iOS 7 was a redesign of the workings and motifs used in the mobile operating system, and OS X followed soon after.

Here's what you're saying from a designer's point of view. Early humans were a pretty good set of species, already advanced in terms of intelligence and such. But over the years they gradually evolved through small changes in their genetic code, tweaks set in motion by what works best. Eventually, those tiny, seemingly minor "under the hood" updates, changes to bone structure, and body hair distribution led to a radically distinct species known as homo sapien. This species was better in nearly every way, from having a larger cranium capable of containing a larger brain, to being taller, faster, more agile, and better suited for creativity and technological advances...but obviously that doesn't matter AT ALL because the way this species came to be was through minor, seemingly useless evolutionary quirks. You get me?

Also...

Windows 3.x to 95 was an evolution, not a redesign. They shared extremely similar, if not the same design, just with improved underlying workings. As for Windows 7 and 8, that evolution was most definitely not a redesign. It was an addition to 7. 8 still functioned just as 7 did- it simply had a new app launcher. The skeuomorphism was almost entirely thrown out the door and the launcher was optimized for touch devices, but other than that, literally nothing else changed. You can't slap a new launcher on an old OS, oversaturate it, flatten it, and take away an alternative option to said launcher and call that a redesign. Particularly if it's not even for the entire OS. The launcher was a redesign, Windows 8 itself was not.

In conclusion...

Just because something is small and iterative doesn't mean it's not important. Design is all about tweaking, improving, and evolving the interface and inner workings of an OS. If every year an OS doesn't scream "Hey! Look at me! I've completely dispensed with all reason and pursued a completely different direction, changed everything from the ground up, even though we just did that with our last few iterations," doesn't mean it's not a redesign. It doesn't mean it's not important, or worth getting excited about. Actually, it's the opposite. It means OS X gets better, faster, more efficient, and more empathetic. That's arguably just as, if not more important than big, revolutionary announcements (which, if you pay attention, OS X has had for every version in the recent past).

 

[ZachNathan]

So someone seeing that Microsoft is finally doing the right thing and giving users what they want is reason to say "let's give Apple a pass" ??? We've given them many many passes. Sorry I am not a kool-aid drinking, everything-apple-does-is-golden-praising kind of person. I'm realistic. Apple is eating the dust of Windows. To have an OS that can run well on a tablet or a desktop is a big feat, and MSFT is doing it really well, and based on my experience thus far with the Win 10 preview, they're continuing to pull ahead of Apple.

So I guess I could just say everything is great with Apple's OS X, or I could provide realistic opinions from a user who doesn't feel like he's seen a nice update in YEARS. So if I sound like my posts are negative, I could say yours are delusional if you think OS X has done anything in 5 years besides minor tweaks, cosmetic features, and the bare minimum in adding a couple niche features.

Mavericks vs Yosemite visual changes. OMG, yeah, such huge changes, I can barely contain my excitement.... View attachment 561880

Oh, yes, because OBVIOUSLY the difference between 7 and 8 is sooooooo much better.

 

[shenan1982]

I absolutely assure that the entirety of OS X has undergone a major redesign with Yosemite. iOS 7 was a redesign of the workings and motifs used in the mobile operating system, and OS X followed soon after.

Here's what you're saying from a designer's point of view. Early humans were a pretty good set of species, already advanced in terms of intelligence and such. But over the years they gradually evolved through small changes in their genetic code, tweaks set in motion by what works best. Eventually, those tiny, seemingly minor "under the hood" updates, changes to bone structure, and body hair distribution led to a radically distinct species known as homo sapien. This species was better in nearly every way, from having a larger cranium capable of containing a larger brain, to being taller, faster, more agile, and better suited for creativity and technological advances...but obviously that doesn't matter AT ALL because the way this species came to be was through minor, seemingly useless evolutionary quirks. You get me?

Also...

Windows 3.x to 95 was an evolution, not a redesign. They shared extremely similar, if not the same design, just with improved underlying workings. As for Windows 7 and 8, that evolution was most definitely not a redesign. It was an addition to 7. 8 still functioned just as 7 did- it simply had a new app launcher. The skeuomorphism was almost entirely thrown out the door and the launcher was optimized for touch devices, but other than that, literally nothing else changed. You can't slap a new launcher on an old OS, oversaturate it, flatten it, and take away an alternative option to said launcher and call that a redesign. Particularly if it's not even for the entire OS. The launcher was a redesign, Windows 8 itself was not.

In conclusion...

Just because something is small and iterative doesn't mean it's not important. Design is all about tweaking, improving, and evolving the interface and inner workings of an OS. If every year an OS doesn't scream "Hey! Look at me! I've completely dispensed with all reason and pursued a completely different direction, changed everything from the ground up, even though we just did that with our last few iterations," doesn't mean it's not a redesign. It doesn't mean it's not important, or worth getting excited about. Actually, it's the opposite. It means OS X gets better, faster, more efficient, and more empathetic. That's arguably just as, if not more important than big, revolutionary announcements (which, if you pay attention, OS X has had for every version in the recent past).

Ok, I reword my comment. OS X has seen little "evolution" ... keep drinking that kool aid.

 

[shenan1982]

Oh, yes, because OBVIOUSLY the difference between 7 and 8 is sooooooo much better.
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You're showing LOGOS of the OS as evidence of what's changed within the OS? LOL LOL LOL!

 

[Queen6]

Windows 8 was a massive overhaul of Windows, however it backfired horribly for Microsoft as in may ways the UI/UX was way too far ahead of the typical user base. W8.1 & W10 are technically extremely solid, secure and fluid operating systems, that runs very well even on low level hardware across the board.

You may or may not care for the Windows UI/Ux equally we as OS X users should be happy as without any realistic completion Apple`s focus will not be OS X, rather IOS, this has been apparent for several years. 10.11 looks to kicking it up a gear.

Q-6

 

[ZachNathan]

Ok, I reword my comment. OS X has seen little "evolution" ... keep drinking that kool aid.

Have you not been reading? Everything I referenced in my last few posts were evolutions. OS X is gradually evolving to bridge the gap between iOS and the desktop, with both OS's adopting characteristics from each other. That IS evolution.

And those are the icons for Media Center. Not logos. An easy mistake, seeing how unimaginative Windows was with that transition. But yes, it definitely does speak for all the OS.

 

[ZachNathan]

Windows 8 was a massive overhaul of Windows, however it backfired horribly for Microsoft as in may ways the UI/UX was way too far ahead of the typical user base. W8.1 & W10 are technically extremely solid, secure and fluid operating systems, that runs very well even on low level hardware across the board.

You may or may not care for the Windows UI/Ux equally we as OS X users should be happy as without any realistic completion Apple`s focus will not be OS X, rather IOS, this has been apparent for several years. 10.11 looks to kicking it up a gear.

Q-6

Not really...sure, from the surface (heh), it seems like a major reboot for the OS, but as it's already been pointed out, the only real thing that changed was the addition of a new app launcher. The motifs of 8 were just flattened, silhouetted versions of their Windows 7 parents.

8 and 10 may technically be solid, but in real world applications their instability and annoying kinks played a large part in the former's unpopularity (until recent builds, which actually started to address those problems in full).

 

[shenan1982]

Not really...sure, from the surface (heh), it seems like a major reboot for the OS, but as it's already been pointed out, the only real thing that changed was the addition of a new app launcher. The motifs of 8 were just flattened, silhouetted versions of their Windows 7 parents.

8 and 10 may technically be solid, but in real world applications their instability and annoying kinks played a large part in the former's unpopularity (until recent builds, which actually started to address those problems in full).

You're not too up on what a product refresh is, are you? Windows 8.1 and now 10 are MASSIVE refreshes.

It's pointless even arguing with you. Keep defending the same old stuff...

 

[ZachNathan]

You're not too up on what a product refresh is, are you? Windows 8.1 and now 10 are MASSIVE refreshes.

It's pointless even arguing with you. Keep defending the same old stuff...

A refresh isn't the same thing as a redesign or an evolution .Adding things such as a new launcher doesn't make something MASSIVE. Talk about drinking Kool Aid. Microsoft sure made it seem as if it were massive, but 8 isn't different from 7. It looks different, that's it. What made Windows 8 sooooo much better than Windows 7? What was the improvement, because you're doing the exact same thing you're complaining about me doing.

Windows 10 is a refresh. Windows 8 was not. Look into what's actually going on in an OS before you believe the hype Microsoft tries on you.

 

[Queen6]

Not really...sure, from the surface (heh), it seems like a major reboot for the OS, but as it's already been pointed out, the only real thing that changed was the addition of a new app launcher. The motifs of 8 were just flattened, silhouetted versions of their Windows 7 parents.

8 and 10 may technically be solid, but in real world applications their instability and annoying kinks played a large part in the former's unpopularity (until recent builds, which actually started to address those problems in full).

Microsoft did a tad more than that be assured. Apple will respond to W10 to maintain and grow their PC base, remember by far the vast majority of computer users are invested with Windows, as stated the "turn off" for many was too much change, too fast.

Personally I can live in the Windows "space", equally I choose not to, both professorially and privately. Both MS and Apple are moving in a similar, yet differing directions. MS went with a "hammer" approach literally enforcing the use of Modern UI, Apple is far more subtle, allowing the user to choose the path i.e Launch Pad, Applications folder on the Dock, or simply Spotlight. Microsoft`s path resulted in an additional cognitive load, with effectively two enforced UI`s, neither gelling harmoniously, this is where Apple is far smarter at understanding people, however at the cost of the introduction of some new tech such as touch screens and convertibles.

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