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True! And also, there is something very wrong if in order to get Lion to work properly and bug-free you have to perform a clean install of it which is exactly the contrary of what Apple wants costumers to do!!!

I've upgraded 2 machines to Lion GM and not had a single problem with either of them: No glitches, no crashes, no issues at all - for me this is the best .0 release Apple have produced
 
I've upgraded 2 machines to Lion GM and not had a single problem with either of them: No glitches, no crashes, no issues at all - for me this is the best .0 release Apple have produced

I have updated now to the GM and I'm still not happy with it. It takes double the time to boot compared to SL and also the animations aren't fluid at all. I'm on an Alum. Macbook, Core2Duo 2ghz with 2gb of RAM. Here are my following issues so far:

*Character picker DOES NOT WORK AT ALL (this happened in DP4 as well);
*Finder is too slow to open;
*Sometimes buttons will not answer to my first press;
*Sloppy animations:
- hiding and showing Mail side bar;
- as long as I have more than 1 window open, Mission Control animation becomes slow;
- opening Launchpad, then opening a folder with lots of stuff there (such as Utils folder) and opening Launchpad again, causes the animation to be sloppy as well.
- scrolling through the dock;

I would probably find more stuff if I bothered to look for it, but I'm gonna erase my drive and roll back to SL. Lion is not ready to be released.
 
Downloaded it and had a play.

1st impressions, doesn't look a great deal different. Then opened finder, and went yuck, the font sizing is huge on the list, the items cannot be reorder within groups, so your stuck with networks and drives at the bottom, and recent files at the top, I like OS 10.6 version of finder.

Am quite peeved that you cannot access library on your user folder, so no dumping of preferences, etc. Mac App store kept crashing, and MobileMe didn't like me logging in.

I think i'm going to wait until Mountain Lion.
 
I'm loving the GM, not came across any major problems. MacBook feels a bit hotter than usual though.

Safari is so much faster, I've ditched Chrome :eek:
 
Downloaded it and had a play.

1st impressions, doesn't look a great deal different. Then opened finder, and went yuck, the font sizing is huge on the list, the items cannot be reorder within groups, so your stuck with networks and drives at the bottom, and recent files at the top, I like OS 10.6 version of finder.

Am quite peeved that you cannot access library on your user folder, so no dumping of preferences, etc. Mac App store kept crashing, and MobileMe didn't like me logging in.

I think i'm going to wait until Mountain Lion.

Did you notice the new Mail?

The new safari?

The new gestures?

Fullscreen apps? (they are godly on a laptop)

The new spotlight?

Versions?

Auto-save and resume?


Ignorance is bliss.
 
Did you notice the new Mail?

The new safari?

The new gestures?

Fullscreen apps? (they are godly on a laptop)

The new spotlight?

Versions?

Auto-save and resume?


Ignorance is bliss.

To me, that's where Lion's main problems reside: a lot of new features but not nearly enough background work to make it run smoothly. I love the new mail and it's one of the things I miss having rolled back to SL (Postbox 2.5 is a very nice replacement, though).

Overall it just feels like Apple decided to overcrowd SL with new stuff but didn't work enough to make it run smoothly on every of their models. This does stink an awful lot to Windows Vista syndrome.

For instance, I have just restored to SL and spotlight is indexing. My cooling system is obviously working, but the performance of the OS is absolutely top notch: I don't have to wait to do anything. My first 10 mins with Lion were an absolute nightmare: trying to browse the web as Spotlight was indexing was a nightmare... I even got a spinning wheel for bloody autocorrect!!! And mail took about 3 minutes to realize I had no new messages even after I had read all of them.
 
To me, that's where Lion's main problems reside: a lot of new features but not nearly enough background work to make it run smoothly. I love the new mail and it's one of the things I miss having rolled back to SL (Postbox 2.5 is a very nice replacement, though).

Overall it just feels like Apple decided to overcrowd SL with new stuff but didn't work enough to make it run smoothly on every of their models. This does stink an awful lot to Windows Vista syndrome.

You wouldn't believe the amount of backend work that has gone into Lion. It's a LOT. Obviously theres still some performance issues to be worked out, but by the sounds of it, it doesn't affect everyone.
 
I'm running it on an early 2008 MBP and an iMac late 2009 and it's smooth as butter on both. Leaps better than DP4 and for those that a bitching about missin the library folder in finder, just click folders on the menu bar up top and hit option(I think, I'm typing from my phone at the moment) it magically appears in the list. It's to prevent idiots from deleting crap from the folder..
 
You wouldn't believe the amount of backend work they has gone into Lion. It's a LOT.

Well, it wasn't enough then. I'm sorry to say it, but it hasn't. Also, if the problem resides with my configuration, then it's up to Apple to set the minimum system requirements and say that Lion won't run smoothly on machines older than March 2009.

I know that a lot of people are having great experiences with Lion, but while I haven't experienced any Kernel panic type of crash, the truth is that the OS does not run smoothly compared to SL. All the fiddling around with the UI made the original SL code much heavier and it still has a very long way to be even close to SL in terms of resource management.
 
Well, it wasn't enough then. I'm sorry to say it, but it hasn't. Also, if the problem resides with my configuration, then it's up to Apple to set the minimum system requirements and say that Lion won't run smoothly on machines older than March 2009.

I know that a lot of people are having great experiences with Lion, but while I haven't experienced any Kernel panic type of crash, the truth is that the OS does not run smoothly compared to SL. All the fiddling around with the UI made the original SL code much heavier and it still has a very long way to be even close to SL in terms of resource management.

You don't seem to realise what backend work goes on and how it all works. It's literally "More then meets the eye".
Also it's not about system requirements, it's about fine tuning and bug fixing.
 
The new safari?
We could have that without Lion.
The new gestures?
One word -- BetterTouchTool
Fullscreen apps? (they are godly on a laptop)
And awful on a desktop with multiple monitors (that go blank).
Versions?
As soon as apps (besides Text Edit) support it.
Auto-save and resume?
Applications have always been able to be written to do this. Apple has just added hooks (APIs) to handle it in the OS.

On the other hand, say goodbye to Front Row, iSync, Rosetta, FTP server, and Samba (and probably more), and Lion Server has been gelded as well.
 
Downloaded it and had a play.

1st impressions, doesn't look a great deal different. Then opened finder, and went yuck, the font sizing is huge on the list, the items cannot be reorder within groups, so your stuck with networks and drives at the bottom, and recent files at the top, I like OS 10.6 version of finder.

Am quite peeved that you cannot access library on your user folder, so no dumping of preferences, etc. Mac App store kept crashing, and MobileMe didn't like me logging in.

I think i'm going to wait until Mountain Lion.

The font size of the side list can be configured in the general pref pane. The library folder can also be unhidden. I wonder, how shallow can someone test something?

MobileMe works ok here. Maybe you should try reconfiguring it. Try to also repairing permissions.
 
Well, it wasn't enough then. I'm sorry to say it, but it hasn't. Also, if the problem resides with my configuration, then it's up to Apple to set the minimum system requirements and say that Lion won't run smoothly on machines older than March 2009.

I know that a lot of people are having great experiences with Lion, but while I haven't experienced any Kernel panic type of crash, the truth is that the OS does not run smoothly compared to SL. All the fiddling around with the UI made the original SL code much heavier and it still has a very long way to be even close to SL in terms of resource management.
If you go back and search older MacRumors posts, you'll see similar complaints after the Tiger, Leopard and Snow Leopard launches.

I can't recall a 10.x release that didn't have some people complaining about decreased performance on their particular Mac, while others were having no problems at all.

The jabber about the increased system requirements, the new OS not being a significant upgrade, how the few features added kill system performance, etc. is the same with every new release.
 
I'm playing with my a copy of my actual Snow Leopard system that was just upgraded to Lion few hours ago.

The problem is for some reason kernel boots into 32 bit mode, i found one 32 bit kext 'varaaudio.kext' from Scree Flow which i no longer use. So i deleted that but kernel is still 32 bit. All extensions are 64 bit now.

What else is there that i can try?

Hi, Jerome, try
sudo kextcache -system-prelinked-kernel
Worked for me.
 
If you go back and search older MacRumors posts, you'll see similar complaints after the Tiger, Leopard and Snow Leopard launches.

I can't recall a 10.x release that didn't have some people complaining about decreased performance on their particular Mac, while others were having no problems at all.

The jabber about the increased system requirements, the new OS not being a significant upgrade, how the few features added kill system performance, etc. is the same with every new release.

To be very honest, I haven't had a single problem when I upgraded to SL from L.
 
Did you notice the new Mail?

The new safari?

The new gestures?

Fullscreen apps? (they are godly on a laptop)

The new spotlight?

Versions?

Auto-save and resume?


Ignorance is bliss.

If you had read, you'd have noted that i said i had a play. So yes, I did check all those new features, but as another poster said, it's what's underneath the hood which makes a lot of difference.
Lion seems more like an upgraded software for an ipad, not a 17" MBP i7 workhorse.
 
The font size of the side list can be configured in the general pref pane. The library folder can also be unhidden. I wonder, how shallow can someone test something?

MobileMe works ok here. Maybe you should try reconfiguring it. Try to also repairing permissions.

Shallow, so you're telling me, that the solve for viewing some hidden folders is easy to find? Sorry, wrong!
I'm glad your MobileMe is fine, mine wasn't, and there was nothing wrong with it, logging in was the issue.
Oh and the font size, for the side list, cannot be changed, only the font sizing in the directory, and who wants the order of the side list that way, it has changed after quite some time as 'fine just as is', but no, Apple change it, it doesn't make flow sense.

My hardware is a new 17 MBP i7, with 8GB RAM so there should be no issues within this unit.
 
Sucks that the GM is still listed as non upgradable to release. So having so play with it using a eSata to Expresscard adapter and a SSD. However I do appreciate new features that made windows management like Windows 7, but better.
 
I have updated now to the GM and I'm still not happy with it. It takes double the time to boot compared to SL and also the animations aren't fluid at all. I'm on an Alum. Macbook, Core2Duo 2ghz with 2gb of RAM. ...

Got the same MacBook late08 model 2.0 GHz but with 8GB RAM. I have no problem or lag - at all. You should think about an upgrade, "required" doesn't mean "smooth like butter".
 
Guys, keep in mind OS X's RAM requirements are a bit higher this time around.

I've upgraded 2 machines to Lion GM and not had a single problem with either of them: No glitches, no crashes, no issues at all

Yes, this is true for most folks.
 
Guys, keep in mind OS X's RAM requirements are a bit higher this time around.



Yes, this is true for most folks.

Will they increase the amount of RAM on the new MacBooks? Because both models come with 2GB and 1.86 Core2Duo processors (I know they're refreshing the processors). But still...
 
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