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OS X Lion Golden Master Seeded to Developers
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Please don't bit my head off because I am a complete noob to this whole OS-watching game.To those of you who have done this in the past, how long does it usually take Apple to release the final product after the GM is released to developers? I know that any answer is simply a guestimate, but I also know that Apple is usually pretty deliberate in these things so I'm sure there is some sort of "normal" time table from GM to general release. Personally, I can't wait! There are so many things about this OS that I want to play with and I want to play with them now!
It's usually about two weeks, but there's no precedent for an App Store OS X release. The closest point of comparison is iOS releases, which are usually within two weeks of GM release. However, the iOS releases aren't good data points because they release around the time of new hardware, and give developers lead time to get their apps through the App Store release process.
So it could be today, tomorrow, or in the next three weeks.
My gut tells me it'll be next week, but since my gut connects directly to my ass, I really can't pin a date on it.
Ya'll are much kinder than other forums for electronic products that I have frequented in the past, THANK YOU!
I am HOPEFULLY getting my new MacBook Pro tonight (if my financial aid will ever post to my account) and I don't want to learn everything in Snow Leopard and then have to have the adjustment to Lion. I know it probably won't be that big of a deal, but because I'll already be getting used to the Mac I want to make it as easy on myself as possible. It's only been 20 years since I had my last Mac! LOL! I'm just glad to finally be re-joining the Mac community.
I am HOPEFULLY getting my new MacBook Pro tonight (if my financial aid will ever post to my account) and I don't want to learn everything in Snow Leopard and then have to have the adjustment to Lion. I know it probably won't be that big of a deal, but because I'll already be getting used to the Mac I want to make it as easy on myself as possible. It's only been 20 years since I had my last Mac! LOL! I'm just glad to finally be re-joining the Mac community.
Yes - and as Phil A. just informed me, we can make them stay on the same desktop too. When I refer to desktops, I'm talking about "Mission Control", which is an evolution of "Spaces", if you use that currently.
There is no less merit to having two monitors with Lion, so don't let this hold you up. It's just that some of the controls in the new Mission Control seem to not act correctly.
I reckon it could really be any day soon, now that it's download only which eliminates packaging and shipping, unlike previous disk based versions. Who knows?
I'm ready for it when it does happen.
I'm ready for it when it does happen.
Rocky and Bullwinkle
Rocky and Bullwinkle. NOT this one: (from Wikipedia)
The Wayback Machine is a digital time capsule created by the Internet Archive non-profit organization, based in San Francisco, California.
THIS ONE:
The name Wayback Machine is a reference to a segment from The Rocky and Bullwinkle Show in which Mr. Peabody and Sherman use a time machine called the "WABAC machine" to witness, participate in, and, more often than not, alter famous events in history.[1]
After reading this entire thread, I believe that I will be happier just using what I got: 10.6.8 and FCP 7.
Considering everything I will need to learn and the time that will consume, I have decided to save my brain cells for creation. I feel like one of the kids who drop out of school and end up happy millionaires.
Is Lion going to make my life that much easier? Is FCP X going to help me tell a story that is that much better? I don't think so. By the time I get comfortable with them I will have missed opportunities, and my brain may have overloaded.
I'm reminded of the Mac vs PC: Windows 7 ad by Apple, where "PC" says "Trust me!":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RExuLbvQsN8
At this point in my life, I want to use what I know and love and concentrate on the story.
Spend 2011 reading manuals? Later, dude. I got an idea, and me and my Mac are gonna kick a**!
Rocky and Bullwinkle. NOT this one: (from Wikipedia)
The Wayback Machine is a digital time capsule created by the Internet Archive non-profit organization, based in San Francisco, California.
THIS ONE:
The name Wayback Machine is a reference to a segment from The Rocky and Bullwinkle Show in which Mr. Peabody and Sherman use a time machine called the "WABAC machine" to witness, participate in, and, more often than not, alter famous events in history.[1]
After reading this entire thread, I believe that I will be happier just using what I got: 10.6.8 and FCP 7.
Considering everything I will need to learn and the time that will consume, I have decided to save my brain cells for creation. I feel like one of the kids who drop out of school and end up happy millionaires.
Is Lion going to make my life that much easier? Is FCP X going to help me tell a story that is that much better? I don't think so. By the time I get comfortable with them I will have missed opportunities, and my brain may have overloaded.
I'm reminded of the Mac vs PC: Windows 7 ad by Apple, where "PC" says "Trust me!":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RExuLbvQsN8
At this point in my life, I want to use what I know and love and concentrate on the story.
Spend 2011 reading manuals? Later, dude. I got an idea, and me and my Mac are gonna kick a**!
You could also access it once you navigate to the user folder shown in my screen cap, but thank you for that clarification. I failed to add that bit of info.
Also good to know. Thank you.
Ya'll are much kinder than other forums for electronic products that I have frequented in the past, THANK YOU!
I am HOPEFULLY getting my new MacBook Pro tonight (if my financial aid will ever post to my account) and I don't want to learn everything in Snow Leopard and then have to have the adjustment to Lion. I know it probably won't be that big of a deal, but because I'll already be getting used to the Mac I want to make it as easy on myself as possible. It's only been 20 years since I had my last Mac! LOL! I'm just glad to finally be re-joining the Mac community.
We don't bite...
Welcome back, and good luck with your new MBP!
What's with the RAM hogging?
I have 4GB of RAM on my late '08 aluminium macbook 2.4GHZ core 2 duo. SL never used more than half of my RAM, but Lion would leave me 90mb free ram, 2.4gb inactive. the rest wired or active.
I only had Safari going, and my ext.HD plugged in backing up content on to it. my battery life at 50% was away down to 30 minutes! Only way I could get it all back was by restarting.
Considering going back to SL until 10.7.1 or 10.7.2 fixes this.
I have 4GB of RAM on my late '08 aluminium macbook 2.4GHZ core 2 duo. SL never used more than half of my RAM, but Lion would leave me 90mb free ram, 2.4gb inactive. the rest wired or active.
I only had Safari going, and my ext.HD plugged in backing up content on to it. my battery life at 50% was away down to 30 minutes! Only way I could get it all back was by restarting.
Considering going back to SL until 10.7.1 or 10.7.2 fixes this.
Don't worry, this isn't XDA.
and THAT would be EXACTLY what I am talking about! I was rooting a Nook Color and they were just plain nasty. Compared to them, it's all warm and fuzzy over here!
So, in about 20 minutes I will be embarking on the approximately 1 hour and 5 minute drive from Asheville, NC to Greenville, SC (the closest Apple Store) to purchase my new 13" MacBook Pro. I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks you for the advice and for the welcome! I'm sure it'll take some getting used to, especially since it was my 1991 Mac Classic that I last regularly used the Mac OS on but I'm sure I'll pick up on it in no time. Have I mentioned that I can't wait?
Several users are reporting RAM leaks on Lion. Hopefully, if the release is only in 2 weeks time, Apple has plenty of time to work on this and create an update solving the problem. It would be dumb of them not to do so. For now it's only Developers and "power internet users" complaining, but if these issues hit the large scale consumers, it could be another AntennaGate issue and the media will start to compare Lion's shortcomings to those of Windows Vista. Apple doesn't really want that, I believe.
I agree, that would be a good thing for the first "patch Tuesday" after 10.7 ships.
It's not worth delaying 10.7 or building another GM to fix a problem that "several users" have reported.
Another option would be for the installation to do an online search for fixes, and merge those into the kit at installation time. (A small company based in a Seattle suburb does this.)
I suggested "patch Tuesday" or "merge into online installation" as the folks in Redmond do it.
Not sure what you're saying here. (You can have "online installation" without live merging of the latest fixes....)
Lion GM works great on two test machines. iTunes buttons stays vertical on the MBP and on the iMac it moves horizontal when completely expanded. No significant issues that I can tell. Best 10.X.0 release. Fast and simplified experience.
Not sure if it was addressed, however someone was asking how to delete apps from LaunchPad. There are two options.
Option 1: delete it from the application folder.
Option 2: launch LaunchPad > drag application to the trash.
Like LaunchPad and Mission Control a lot, it really minimizes my desktop and dock clutter.
Not sure if it was addressed, however someone was asking how to delete apps from LaunchPad. There are two options.
Option 1: delete it from the application folder.
Option 2: launch LaunchPad > drag application to the trash.
Like LaunchPad and Mission Control a lot, it really minimizes my desktop and dock clutter.
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Sure, you can. But when you don't have to worry at all about physical distribution, if you have "latest fixes" you can just put them in the download package.
no you can't "just" add them
Windows has physical distribution, but can still download and merge them when necessary.
The key word is "necessary". Since testing is important, it's often better to test longer and fix the bug in an update - rather than rushing a fix into a live merge during installation.
I won't bore the children with the details, but back in the 80's we started to include the .1 update (or the .0.1 update) with the physical OS kit.
If a bug was so bad that the system wouldn't stay up long enough over a couple of tries to apply the patch we'd do a new GM with the patch included. If it would come up fairly reliably, we'd keep the same GM and put the fix in the .0.1 update.
This approach was quite successful, so that our software distribution process was tweaked to always include the V.*.*.1 kit. (On at least one occasion the V.*.*.1 kit was just the empty template - but it was part of the kit.)
Windows has physical distribution, but can still download and merge them when necessary.
The key word is "necessary". Since testing is important, it's often better to test longer and fix the bug in an update - rather than rushing a fix into a live merge during installation.
I won't bore the children with the details, but back in the 80's we started to include the .1 update (or the .0.1 update) with the physical OS kit.
If a bug was so bad that the system wouldn't stay up long enough over a couple of tries to apply the patch we'd do a new GM with the patch included. If it would come up fairly reliably, we'd keep the same GM and put the fix in the .0.1 update.
This approach was quite successful, so that our software distribution process was tweaked to always include the V.*.*.1 kit. (On at least one occasion the V.*.*.1 kit was just the empty template - but it was part of the kit.)
yeah, I get all that. I was just saying that since Lion is only distributed by download from Apple's servers, if there is a last minute fix they can just change the image being downloaded instead of keeping the old image and having it check the same servers for last-minute deltas; there's no need to keep synchronized with physical distribution.
Then, you didn't "get" my comment.
My point was that when doing software QA (Quality Assurance), it is much simpler to test and verify an update in isolation than it is to test and verify a patch that is merged into the installation kit.
In spite of the cries from the fans that "OMG Apple is doing what Windows does", running software update *after* installation to pick up the latest fixes is a much more manageable task than trying to test and verify patches that are merged into the installation.
Back in the dark ages of the 80's, our rule was simple - if a bug made it unlikely that the system would stay up long enough to run software update, we'd merge the fix into a new GM. If there was a good probability that the system would be able to run software update to completion - the fix would be on the V*.x.1 update.
Having digital downloads doesn't change the basic problem that merging fixes into the GM can have unexpected negative effects. Running software update after the installation is a much safer environment.
I agree - altering the GM (especially around a general release time is a risky gamble for minor bugs sake. The way I understand things, you only rebuild a GM if you have something that is really showstopper bad - you can only find out if your fix breaks something else by spending more time (ideally you want to just release the thing). You take other supplementary fixes that you have and put it in a second patch that you can spend more time on.
It's just the route that involves less risk. If you want to make a new release that has more updates built in, do that later after you release it.
Add this Gesture to Lion
I want to be able to refresh webpages with the same rotating finger gesture that's used to rotate pictures in iPhoto.
Anyone else think this would be a good idea?
I want to be able to refresh webpages with the same rotating finger gesture that's used to rotate pictures in iPhoto.
Anyone else think this would be a good idea?