InuNacho
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I'd pay $19 so I wouldn't have to pay $150 for Office 2011 and god knows how much for a newer version of CS whatever.
Losing PPC support also means the end of MacTheRipper, one of the best DVD ripping tools out there.
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OS X Lion to Drop 'Rosetta' Support for PowerPC Applications
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I'd pay $19 so I wouldn't have to pay $150 for Office 2011 and god knows how much for a newer version of CS whatever.
Losing PPC support also means the end of MacTheRipper, one of the best DVD ripping tools out there.
I asked my somewhat computer savvy wife about if she would upgrade to Lion. "Sure" she said. I then said - do you know you then won't be able to use (...that old program you like) anymore?
"Then no way - don't put Lion on my system - that's horrible!"
Lion - meet Windows Vista - big mistake Apple....
"Then no way - don't put Lion on my system - that's horrible!"
Lion - meet Windows Vista - big mistake Apple....
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Re: Eudora
I feel your pain, fellow die-hard, and am in the same boat. I'm considering running Windows Eudora in a VM or under CrossOver, but these options aren't ideal. Eudora works so great under Rosetta that I'll probably keep Snow Leopard on my MBA for email, and experiment with Lion on other Macs or external boot drives. Perhaps someday a suitable replacement program will be ready for prime time, but current candidates like Eudora OSE/Odysseus/Penelope appear suboptimal. I'm still holding out hope that a Rosetta emulator app will come down the pike.
I feel your pain, fellow die-hard, and am in the same boat. I'm considering running Windows Eudora in a VM or under CrossOver, but these options aren't ideal. Eudora works so great under Rosetta that I'll probably keep Snow Leopard on my MBA for email, and experiment with Lion on other Macs or external boot drives. Perhaps someday a suitable replacement program will be ready for prime time, but current candidates like Eudora OSE/Odysseus/Penelope appear suboptimal. I'm still holding out hope that a Rosetta emulator app will come down the pike.
revelated
macrumors 6502a
Maybe you've never used VLC. Do so without Rosetta. It will you that it needs Rosetta. Trust me, I've done this 2 years over.
And I said PROPERLY play WMV files. Flip4Mac sucks on WMV files. Seeking is a nightmare and pixeling is frequent.
Rosetta woes in Lion - potential Vista-scale PR disaster?
[sent to sjobs@apple.com]
Dear Steve,
My guess is that untold thousands of unwary Mac users are going to buy the $29 App Store download of Lion, upgrade their system, then be appalled and angry to discover that varied programs and devices have just stopped working due to the absence of Rosetta. This could be a big blow to the Apple "It just works" image. Is there even going to be an easy uninstall/restore-system/refund option for such cases?
The other side of the coin is that many professionals and businesses running mission-critical legacy software on their Macs will delay or avoid Lion upgrades as well as new hardware purchases pre-installed with Lion. Hundreds of practical cases are discussed at:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1169678/
I strongly urge Apple to enable development of a Rosetta/VM/emulation program available on the App Store at whatever reasonable price to take care of your many long-time customers affected by this issue.
Respectfully yours,
Stephen
[sent to sjobs@apple.com]
Dear Steve,
My guess is that untold thousands of unwary Mac users are going to buy the $29 App Store download of Lion, upgrade their system, then be appalled and angry to discover that varied programs and devices have just stopped working due to the absence of Rosetta. This could be a big blow to the Apple "It just works" image. Is there even going to be an easy uninstall/restore-system/refund option for such cases?
The other side of the coin is that many professionals and businesses running mission-critical legacy software on their Macs will delay or avoid Lion upgrades as well as new hardware purchases pre-installed with Lion. Hundreds of practical cases are discussed at:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1169678/
I strongly urge Apple to enable development of a Rosetta/VM/emulation program available on the App Store at whatever reasonable price to take care of your many long-time customers affected by this issue.
Respectfully yours,
Stephen
HRm, I don't know how good a test it was but when I did get info on it it said Applications (Universal) which some one on here said was a sign it did not need Rosetta. Plus I noticed a box underneath it that said use rosetta to open it and mine is not clicked... try seeing if that box on your get info for VLC is clicked or not?
AidenShaw
macrumors P6
InuNacho
macrumors 68010
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_2_1 like Mac OS X; en-gb) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Mobile/8C148)
It should say sent, not send and Steeve of all people know that the i in iPhone should be lowercase (the iPhone will even correct this).
Apart from this we were completely fooled. 😉
AidenShaw said:
It should say sent, not send and Steeve of all people know that the i in iPhone should be lowercase (the iPhone will even correct this).
Apart from this we were completely fooled. 😉
The ideal solution is, I think, to offer virtual-machine packages for Classic and OSX PPC. They would not have the integration of pre-Lion versions of OSX, but that would not be necessary. However, they'd be self-contained, meaning that the host OS can be developed while ignoring them.
Here are some standalone versions that Apple could offer in virtual machines:
Classic PPC: MacOS 9.2.2 (with 68K)
OSX PPC: Tiger (with Classic), Leopard (without Classic)
Here are some standalone versions that Apple could offer in virtual machines:
Classic PPC: MacOS 9.2.2 (with 68K)
OSX PPC: Tiger (with Classic), Leopard (without Classic)
Is there a list of apps that require Rosetta? I would like to check if any of my apps still require it. I remember it was MS Office that required it (not sure if 2011 too?)...
You can check yourself by right-clicking on the app and choosing "Get info", then in the info window look for "Kind" (in the "General" pane), if it is Intel or Universal you are OK but if it is PowerPC you'll have to look for an update or replacement.
Such things can be made by yourself, why would Apple have to invest in buying a virtual machine solution ? These kind of prepared virtual machines are also already floating around the darker corners of the internet if you know where to look.
That goes for my $1000 Final Cut Studio 2 suit - universal apps but need Rosetta to install... FCS3 isnt worth the upgrade, and FCPX is still a big "?". Did honestly not think Apple would s... me over on a universal Pro App, if anything!
KnightWRX
macrumors Pentium
Just don't update to Lion on the machine you run your 1000$ piece of software on ? 😉
What a complicated concept. I have 2 boxes here that run a version of HP-UX 11.11 from the year 2000. 11 year old Operating System. Yet here I am, keeping these boxes around and not upgrading them to the latest and greatest. Why ? A 20,000$ software package that's EOL/EOS.
Migrating this stuff has been painful and slow and we should be done early next year. Then I can finally retire this stuff.
Moving to Lion will be very expensive for me
My biggest concern in moving to Lion is having to upgrade my Adobe Creative Suite (I have CS1 & Mac Studio 8). Yes, the new ones are better, and I'll like the features, but it's a very big additional investment - $949 - $1,399 (depending on how I upgrade).
It's an unfortunate move for Apple, since if I upgrade my Creative Suite, I won't have a lot of extra cash to buy other Apple products. I would much rather pay $129 (or even $229) for the Lion upgrade and get Rosetta, then pay $29 for a Rosettaless Lion.
My biggest concern in moving to Lion is having to upgrade my Adobe Creative Suite (I have CS1 & Mac Studio 8). Yes, the new ones are better, and I'll like the features, but it's a very big additional investment - $949 - $1,399 (depending on how I upgrade).
It's an unfortunate move for Apple, since if I upgrade my Creative Suite, I won't have a lot of extra cash to buy other Apple products. I would much rather pay $129 (or even $229) for the Lion upgrade and get Rosetta, then pay $29 for a Rosettaless Lion.
AidenShaw
macrumors P6
Unfortunately, this can be true. It all depends on the journal -- a lot of them take MS Word. In computer science it's pretty rare, though; most CS journals require LaTeX. In my wife's field (geophysics) there are even journals that (shudder) *require* MS Word!
Touché. 🙂
Steeve is the angle of the bowsprit in relation to a horizontal plane (in a sailing ship).
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Davalaus
macrumors newbie
well if someone has a perfectly good working PPC version of Quicken and Photoshop, why should they get new versions?
KnightWRX
macrumors Pentium
well if someone has a perfectly good working version of OS X, why should they get new versions ? 🙄
An Intel binary of VLC has been offered for quite some time now. It most certainly does not require Rosetta if you download the proper version.
http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=35783
Or just don't upgrade to Lion.
Look guys, it certainly sucks that some of your apps won't work on Lion. No one is forcing you to upgrade from SL. The sudden release of Lion won't suddenly render SL unusable.
This day has been coming since before Rosetta was even released. It was meant as nothing more than a stop-gap while the majority of apps out there were updated to run on Intel processors natively. I can't help but shake my head in wonder at those who claim this change is coming out of nowhere. Really?
It's just a little bit funny that some of you want Apple to continue putting in the thousands of hours of programming and support for something that keeps around 10 mainstream apps up and running. Do you really think that is a good use of resources? Those companies have known this day was coming for the past 6 years and yet they have done nothing.