You mean like how Finder is finally adding cut and paste? Give me a break, there is plenty that Windows does that OSX does not do, like decent graphics support for one. It cuts both ways.
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You mean like how Finder is finally adding cut and paste? Give me a break, there is plenty that Windows does that OSX does not do, like decent graphics support for one. It cuts both ways.
Wow, so the finder is finally giving us, what other OS' had for years. I wonder what the fanboys will say now, after defending this lack of a feature for years.
I suspect along the lines that apple innovates again and creates a brand new feature
Wow, so the finder is finally giving us, what other OS' had for years. I wonder what the fanboys will say now, after defending this lack of a feature for years.
I suspect along the lines that apple innovates again and creates a brand new feature
I don't know which iPhone users were you talking about.
Everyone wanted multi-tasking; there are hypocrites, but can't believe any body touting that multi-tasking is bad or could be bad.
It looks like the only way M$ is "catching up" is by copying technologies with which we are already familiar. As Bertrand Serlet suggested, maybe M$ really DID start up their photocopiers
I saw a video on YouTube entitled "The Real Windows Vista", in which the audio from a (series of) M$ lecture(s) was combined with video showing a Mac user demonstrating the then-unreleased features of Vista on a Mac. It was originally in three parts, and at the end of each part the specific technologies mentioned were identified, as well as the year in which they were introduced. It appears also that, as Mr. Serlet also mentioned, "if you can't innovate, you must imitate, but it's never quite the same."
Heh, I've seen that video it's classic. However, if you were to say fair-is-fair, MS publicly announced their road map for what became Vista before XP even came out. Apple KNEW what MS was working on. No body knew what Apple was working on.
The problem was that all that MS publicly announced for "Longhorn" never really made it into "vista" So while everyone knew what MS was working on, MS was unable to deliver.
I use both OSX and Windows.
Apple has it right: simplicity and robustness. Why change the OSX UI, it's straightforwd, lacks unesesary adornments and most importantly doesn't get in the way.
I don't get the whole OS thing anyway. To me it's all about the apllications anyway.
Having been a diehard Windows fan for years they lost me with Vista and not being able to buy a powerful lightweight aluminim Laptop with good battery life made the choice of a MBP overwhelming. I really grown to like OSX and hope they keep the look and feel.
You know to this day you can look at a Porsche 911 from 1967 and see the continuity of design through the years. Because why fool with desingn perfection when refinement is all that's needed.
Apple has it right: simplicity and robustness. Why change the OSX UI, it's straightforwd, lacks unesesary adornments and most importantly doesn't get in the way.
I don't get the whole OS thing anyway. To me it's all about the apllications anyway.
Having been a diehard Windows fan for years they lost me with Vista and not being able to buy a powerful lightweight aluminim Laptop with good battery life made the choice of a MBP overwhelming. I really grown to like OSX and hope they keep the look and feel.
You know to this day you can look at a Porsche 911 from 1967 and see the continuity of design through the years. Because why fool with desingn perfection when refinement is all that's needed.
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Objective Vs. Subjective.
Both have to be considered.
Pros and cons of both OS's. (objective)
What you like, how the OS "feels", your computing approach, etc. (subjective)
Chocolate Vs. Vanilla = Subjective.
Which one happens to be colder. = Objective.
Both have to be considered.
Pros and cons of both OS's. (objective)
What you like, how the OS "feels", your computing approach, etc. (subjective)
Chocolate Vs. Vanilla = Subjective.
Which one happens to be colder. = Objective.
Windows are purely OS for "work enviroment". OSX is for casual stuff.
Cant imagine using freakin Miranda/ICQ/Trillian/Digsby piece of crap with MS Movie Maker and so on.
Same as i cant imagine using Outlook/Excel on Mac OS.
Windows is like Semi, gigantic ugly looking utility vehicle. Mac OS is like convertible ferrari - nice pus.sy magnet for everyday casual use.
Cant imagine using freakin Miranda/ICQ/Trillian/Digsby piece of crap with MS Movie Maker and so on.
Same as i cant imagine using Outlook/Excel on Mac OS.
Windows is like Semi, gigantic ugly looking utility vehicle. Mac OS is like convertible ferrari - nice pus.sy magnet for everyday casual use.
This time around they're (trying) to prevent leaks of the build surfacing. So the only people who could potentially be disappointed are geeks like me who actively search for leaked Alpha & Beta features.
Theres a lot that could change though, it's still only at Milestone 3.
I just couldn't resist when I saw the comparison being made in this MSDN blog post between the Explorer in Windows 7 and the Explorer in Windows 8:
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I just couldn't resist when I saw the comparison being made in this MSDN blog post between the Explorer in Windows 7 and the Explorer in Windows 8:
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I cringe every time I see that ribbon. I hate the ribbon in the newest version of Microsoft Office. I can't imagine having it built into an OS. Microsoft likes to over complicate things beyond reason.
This video made me start downloading the latest Ubuntu so I could try GNOME 3...looks like a mix of the best of OS X and Windows 7 - Expose, Spaces (looks a bit more like "Mission Control" though), Windows Snap, etc...
I find it amusing that they basically copy this stuff - if you noticed in the "Control Panel" section, the "Universal Access" wording and the icon are from OS X...Expose looks exactly the same, the new "Spotlight" search. All great features though.
UI wise that Win 8 explorer is horrible to an end user. Everything and the kitchen sink in your face is absolutely not the way to go about interaction. A lot of different interaction possibilities fighting for attention.
When MS released what looked to be a tablet OS teaser for Win 8, I was hoping they were actually on to something, trying to move forward. Then there were reports of "regular" windows thrown in there as well depending on the application, which sounded like two different interface concepts with different mechanics fighting each other.
Now this. This is a step backwards in interface design. What's even more ironic is how MS in that blog post goes on about a few commands that from user testing seem to be the ones to focus on, only to mix them up and inlcude the less prioritized ones as well in that horrible ribbon ui.
MS seem to lack interface designers on the explorer side altogether. They need some new designer blood.
In the mobile world we are moving towards more streamlined interfaces that try to focus on the main content with clear large, and even full screen, menus when needed. Garbage is suppressed. Apple is currently using Lion as a testing ground (EDIT: And Linux as well it seems!
) for how to adopt that to a desktop environment. For better or worse, sure, but they're looking ahead.That Win 8 explorer interface on the other hand reeks of '90s ui design with bits all over the place. It honestly looks like a joke to me.
It's odd really. MS can bring out some fantastic concepts but when it comes to release products it's the same old (on the software side). As if their concept lab exists in another universe. PR wise they even hype up these concept products, only to silently killing them shortly after, with no release. I actually liked what the Courier wanted to be. More so than the iPad. [EDIT: I should perhaps note that I'm not discussing the OS itself, Win 8 might be great, I'm just commenting on what we've seen of the explorer ui and ui talk so far.]
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That actually looks very, very nice. Personally, I don't really care whether a UI concept has been borrowed from another OS or not as long as it's put to good use. The stuff that looks similar to what we have in OS X in that video is elegantly integrated with the rest of the features in a seemingly efficient way, not bolted on for show. Loved the integrated window manager as well - I currenty use Moom for that feature.
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It looks like the only way M$ is "catching up" is by copying technologies with which we are already familiar. As Bertrand Serlet suggested, maybe M$ really DID start up their photocopiers
But could it be that MS is just listening to it's customer feedback whom are demanding Mac-like features? Does that make MS guilty for listening?
It's not that Windows 8 is a bad OS, in fact it could be better than Lion. We don't know. The problem is that Microsoft has no QC over the companies that build the PC's that will have Windows 8 as their OS. There is some shaky QC by some of those manufacturers.
But most bots have to be downloaded onto the users machine by the user. It's very hard to get a virus on Windows 7, even using IE 9, without the user specifically allowing it.
The MSDN blog is making good progress and is updated nearly everyday. Not much else until we get a public Beta.
Have you seen this video of Win 8 booting in 8 seconds? I'm dazzled when my 2011 MBA boots in about 15 seconds but 8 is incredible.
https://thisismynext.com/2011/09/08/windows-8-fast-boot-hibernate-resume/
https://thisismynext.com/2011/09/08/windows-8-fast-boot-hibernate-resume/
That's pretty awesome, especially if it's 8 sec to a usable state (e.g. ui responds well etc).
Nice seeing the Metro UI at startup as well as I'm curious how it will be utilized in the finished product. That's what I want to see, rather than the new bloated explorer (something I hope MS rethinks).
It would be pretty awesome if Apple had such a blog. I'm not sure whether it's in their best interest – maybe not – but I personally would love it.
I think the only thing Windows 8 has going for it is it's fast bootup time. But by the time Windows 8 is released and hardware manufacturers add crapware onto Windows 8, the whole system will feel buggy and slow. Just like with windows 7 crapware preinstalled.