...and will for quite some time...
Not really, they'll be based on the *existing* x86 Apple code, modified for x64. No need to go back to the reference code.
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OS X Mountain Lion Officially Drops Support for Some Older 64-Bit Macs
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...and will for quite some time...
Not really, they'll be based on the *existing* x86 Apple code, modified for x64. No need to go back to the reference code.
From a software company that kits for millions of hardware conditions, while Apple who profits from hardware, software AND service content cannot be bothered to support a substantially more finite - well documented - hardware set.
Seems a far cry from the Apple that made me switch.
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True... but if I only use my system for websites and light work, getting new features at the expense of some speed is fine by me...
Just don't make me go get a new system when the one I have works just fine ( hardware wise )
From a software company that kits for millions of hardware conditions, while Apple who profits from both hardware, software and service content cannot be bothered to support an infinitely more finite - well documented - hardware set.
Seems a far cry from the Apple that made me switch.
And even more to the point, Microsoft warns its users years in advance when support will be cut.
Apple, not so much. Sometimes you discover after upgrading that apps essential for you no longer are supported.
...and the Apple installer didn't automatically create a "restore point" so that you can undo the "upgrade".
For comparison:
I just revived my old Dell Core 2 Duo with 1 gig of RAM from 2007 with Windows 8 (I swapped the 2 gigs to the Mac) and its running surprisingly well.
Now the 2007 Macbook with 2 gigs wont support the latest OS X and meanwhile runs worse than Windows 8 and 7 on SL.
Apple is going downhill.
I just revived my old Dell Core 2 Duo with 1 gig of RAM from 2007 with Windows 8 (I swapped the 2 gigs to the Mac) and its running surprisingly well.
Now the 2007 Macbook with 2 gigs wont support the latest OS X and meanwhile runs worse than Windows 8 and 7 on SL.
Apple is going downhill.
Apple is geting stupid I tell you,
My macbook is a early 2008 macbook, and wont run, Apple says its the GPU well, I looked and a ketext thing has to be installed. Thats it, why can it not be installed or somethig? God apple is lazy!
just as bad with the bootcamp drivers 64 bit needs a work around to even install like wtf
My macbook is a early 2008 macbook, and wont run, Apple says its the GPU well, I looked and a ketext thing has to be installed. Thats it, why can it not be installed or somethig? God apple is lazy!
just as bad with the bootcamp drivers 64 bit needs a work around to even install like wtf
This is a bummer, and I'm disappointed that Apple does this.
My early '07 15" MBP still runs great, and have only needed to purchase a replacement battery once. Upgraded the hard drive and maxed the RAM, and still does everything I need it for.
Sucks that Apple is dumping support for hardware that was released just 4-5 years ago.
You can easily install Windows 7 on any computer built in the last 6-8 years, given that you add a bit of RAM and a decently-sized hard drive.
I don't see myself buying another MBP anytime soon... just don't need to. My MBP was built to last, but apparently Apple doesn't want it to last too long to use the latest OS.
My early '07 15" MBP still runs great, and have only needed to purchase a replacement battery once. Upgraded the hard drive and maxed the RAM, and still does everything I need it for.
Sucks that Apple is dumping support for hardware that was released just 4-5 years ago.
You can easily install Windows 7 on any computer built in the last 6-8 years, given that you add a bit of RAM and a decently-sized hard drive.
I don't see myself buying another MBP anytime soon... just don't need to. My MBP was built to last, but apparently Apple doesn't want it to last too long to use the latest OS.
The hardware / software won't stop running because Apple no longer supports it. My buddy has a TiPowerBook... it's still running strong. Is it as good as a 15" 2012 MacBook Pro? No, but just because Apple no longer supports it doesn't mean its not useable.
Sometimes one has to move on and leave the past behind.
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Do you need the latest OS? I'm running snow leopard on one of my machines, and even though it can handle lion, I would rather leave SL on there since it'll run faster.
If Apple wont let you update your MacPro to the latest version of OSX you may have to update it to the latest version of Windows or Linux.
Can't complain
I'm running Lion on a late 2006 iMac which I think is very impressive for backwards support.
Needless to say, (but I will) COME ON NEW IMACS!!!
I'm running Lion on a late 2006 iMac which I think is very impressive for backwards support.
Needless to say, (but I will) COME ON NEW IMACS!!!
I guess Apple is now expecting us to pay a premium price for machines that have a 3 year shelf life for operating systems. If this is true its sad.
My oldest mac (8500) is still kicking. Not that I expect it to be compatible.
My point being, you pay 2000+ for a machine that will last at least 5 years but may be obsolete in 3.
My job just updated our macs after a 6 year wait
My oldest mac (8500) is still kicking. Not that I expect it to be compatible.
My point being, you pay 2000+ for a machine that will last at least 5 years but may be obsolete in 3.
My job just updated our macs after a 6 year wait
I agree with you - but then I run into an IOS thread where some phoneboy tries to claim that Android is doomed because some phone from last year won't run something called "iced jelly bean cream sandwich".
The phone is still a great phone, and is just as good as it was when new.
The problem is????? (Other than Apple touting "64-bit" systems and now dropping support for those same 64-bit systems, claiming that they're not "64-bit".)
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Having an unsupported Mac mini which runs Lion just fine, it's hard to be happy about this decision.
I highly suspect that almost everyone here that say "it's no big deal" are not affected by this. (I'm sure one person will try to prove me wrong by being the exception that confirms the rule...)
I can live without most of the new features in ML. My main concern is about iCloud and OS X/iOS integration. iCloud support was half-done in Lion, it seems that it will be finalized in Mountain Lion.
I have a new iPad and an iPhone 4s, both of which will be able to run iOS 6. How well those will integrate with Lion? Will I be able to sync tabs with a new version of Safari for Lion? Will I be able to use documents in the cloud? I was thinking of getting into iOS development, how long before it becomes impossible on Lion?
I highly suspect that almost everyone here that say "it's no big deal" are not affected by this. (I'm sure one person will try to prove me wrong by being the exception that confirms the rule...)
I can live without most of the new features in ML. My main concern is about iCloud and OS X/iOS integration. iCloud support was half-done in Lion, it seems that it will be finalized in Mountain Lion.
I have a new iPad and an iPhone 4s, both of which will be able to run iOS 6. How well those will integrate with Lion? Will I be able to sync tabs with a new version of Safari for Lion? Will I be able to use documents in the cloud? I was thinking of getting into iOS development, how long before it becomes impossible on Lion?
Apple dropping support for older (3 years) Mac has a much greater impact than if Microsoft had a similar policy for Win8. When Apple releases a new version of the OS they almost expect 100% of people to upgrade. Many apps require a version of OSX less than a few years old. I believe iCloud require 10.7. Windows XP can most of the software that Win7 runs, it was released 11 years ago and Microsoft is still shipping updates for it. Win8 will obviously introduce Metro apps, that will require Win8 to run. There are many people happily running XP and Vista and Microsoft seems fine will this, where as Apple seems to assume that everyone will be using a "newish" version of the OS and almost requires people to update their OS. This is a problem when users hardware wont run the latests OS... Apple is a hardware company.
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And so we have it. We are now so locked into Apple's "development cycle" that they no longer have to serve us as customers; they don't have to put themselves out for us. If an upgrade for fairly new machines is "too hard" well, then ******* them.
Which is sort of OK if you have one machine that you replace every 5 years because you're rich enough to do that.
But if you have 2? Or 3?
I caution you - don't own more than one Mac of different ages because you are going to get royally screwed
And so we have it. We are now so locked into Apple's "development cycle" that they no longer have to serve us as customers; they don't have to put themselves out for us. If an upgrade for fairly new machines is "too hard" well, then ******* them.
Which is sort of OK if you have one machine that you replace every 5 years because you're rich enough to do that.
But if you have 2? Or 3?
I caution you - don't own more than one Mac of different ages because you are going to get royally screwed
The required support period for a product is, at least in the U.S., 5 years.
Some manufacturers may provide longer support, but they are not legally obligated to do so.
Considering how fast technology progresses, 5 years is a very reasonable margin.
My MBP is practically at borderline, so this year I'll start saving for an upgrade.
Considering that I used to upgrade my Windows PCs and laptops every two years, I could say my MBP has lasted me a very long time, and still have years more of life in it.
Some manufacturers may provide longer support, but they are not legally obligated to do so.
Considering how fast technology progresses, 5 years is a very reasonable margin.
My MBP is practically at borderline, so this year I'll start saving for an upgrade.
Considering that I used to upgrade my Windows PCs and laptops every two years, I could say my MBP has lasted me a very long time, and still have years more of life in it.
You still miss my point.. I am not arguing hardware quality...
How well does iCloud work on your friends TiPowerBook ??? I am assuming there is no iCloud cause he would need to get a new system that supports the OS that has iCloud..
Yes... the hardware may be rock solid... but if a new OS has a new feature that I want and my machine was maxed out when I bought it... I shouldn't be locked out...
Hell... iCloud even runs on XP with a simple hack - LINK
It drops support for those Macs only "officially". It is still possible to install 10.8 on a let's say 2007 Mac Pro. It just requires a complicated workaround and helluva googling...
When I see all you people with early Intel Macs moaning about the Support, remember when Apple cut off all PPC Macs back in 2009 with the release of 10.6. My PowerMac G5 was only about 3 years old at that time and some kind of workaround to install Snow Leopard on a G5 didn't (and still doesn't) exist.
So I'd say you are pretty lucky you didn't get "cut off" of updates earlier, and that you still have a chance to install the newest OS unofficially...
When I see all you people with early Intel Macs moaning about the Support, remember when Apple cut off all PPC Macs back in 2009 with the release of 10.6. My PowerMac G5 was only about 3 years old at that time and some kind of workaround to install Snow Leopard on a G5 didn't (and still doesn't) exist.
So I'd say you are pretty lucky you didn't get "cut off" of updates earlier, and that you still have a chance to install the newest OS unofficially...
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Why?
Your iMac could run the current and future versions of both Windows and Linux distributions.
Apple that MADE your computer can't be bothered to support it, but an open-source community and a competitor can.
I'm personally very disappointed at the lack of support for my MacBook (Late 2007).
When I got it, Apple was touting the X3100 GPU as a massive improvement, promising that it would lead to the product lasting longer.
Then they never released any meaningful driver updates and now it's left without the 64-bit kernel extension.
It's not all going to waste though. It runs Windows 7 well, and I have no doubts that it will run Windows 8 too.
The biggest concern I have is over the iOS developer tools.
They really don't support the previous OS for very long after the release of the old one.
The Android SDK runs on Windows XP (2001) or later. The Windows Phone SDK on Windows Vista (2006) or later.
The iOS SDK was released for both Lion and Snow Leopard for about a month.
When I got it, Apple was touting the X3100 GPU as a massive improvement, promising that it would lead to the product lasting longer.
Then they never released any meaningful driver updates and now it's left without the 64-bit kernel extension.
It's not all going to waste though. It runs Windows 7 well, and I have no doubts that it will run Windows 8 too.
The biggest concern I have is over the iOS developer tools.
They really don't support the previous OS for very long after the release of the old one.
The Android SDK runs on Windows XP (2001) or later. The Windows Phone SDK on Windows Vista (2006) or later.
The iOS SDK was released for both Lion and Snow Leopard for about a month.
re: Microsoft and support
Really, it all depends. For example, users of Microsoft's Windows Home Server went pretty much an entire year since its last update, with no official word on what MS even planned to do with the product. They just announced a few days ago that they were discontinuing it -- and only did so quietly, in a blog entry on their website.
Now they're finally telling people they should just buy copies of Windows Server 2008 "Essentials" edition to get the functionality they had in Home Server previously.....
On the mainstream operating systems (like Win 7, Vista or XP), Microsoft pretty much HAS to be much more clear and forgiving about the upgrade cycles, because they sell a significant number of licenses to the military and government, not to mention banking/finance people. Those industries put a lot of clauses in place saying they won't buy the products if certain support time-frames aren't promised for them.
Like it or not, Apple is still more of a consumer, educational and small business focused company. In those cases, they're simply not compelled to provide long term support for their products. Educational institutions generally don't care or push for it, since they'll just keep running the OS that shipped with the machine and whatever software they bought for it at that time, until they get funding to replace the hardware AND OS AND software. Individuals and small business customers don't buy enough licenses of any one product to successfully make those kind of demands.
Really, it all depends. For example, users of Microsoft's Windows Home Server went pretty much an entire year since its last update, with no official word on what MS even planned to do with the product. They just announced a few days ago that they were discontinuing it -- and only did so quietly, in a blog entry on their website.
Now they're finally telling people they should just buy copies of Windows Server 2008 "Essentials" edition to get the functionality they had in Home Server previously.....
On the mainstream operating systems (like Win 7, Vista or XP), Microsoft pretty much HAS to be much more clear and forgiving about the upgrade cycles, because they sell a significant number of licenses to the military and government, not to mention banking/finance people. Those industries put a lot of clauses in place saying they won't buy the products if certain support time-frames aren't promised for them.
Like it or not, Apple is still more of a consumer, educational and small business focused company. In those cases, they're simply not compelled to provide long term support for their products. Educational institutions generally don't care or push for it, since they'll just keep running the OS that shipped with the machine and whatever software they bought for it at that time, until they get funding to replace the hardware AND OS AND software. Individuals and small business customers don't buy enough licenses of any one product to successfully make those kind of demands.