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OS X Mountain Lion Officially Drops Support for Some Older 64-Bit Macs

G51989 said:
If anyone is left to buy it ;) Tons of people even I know personally are sick of the lack of support and jumped ship to Windows and Nix
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Aren't you also commenting in the thread about how Mac market share is growing and PC market share is declining? :D
 
I sent an email too... To mr. Tim Cook and to Erik Lammerding (Senior Manager Worldwide Developer Relations) as I consider this a developer issue too.

What do they expect for us developers to do? We have a dozen of Mac Pro workstations and we have to use ML because we develop everything on them... we bought them because they were advertised as true 64-bit machines. Now what?
 
BaldiMac said:
Aren't you also commenting in the thread about how Mac market share is growing and PC market share is declining? :D
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Well, I crashed into my 128gigs of ram , so I'm just staring eye raping progress bars * cries * Pretty bored lol.

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BaldiMac said:
Mac market share is growing. The Mac is dead. :eek:
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Its dead Jim.

But really. Neither will be dead for a long time. Unless apple pulls the plug on the Mac.
 
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I want Mountain Lion support for the apps

While in general I always upgrade to the latest OS X release as soon as it appears to be stable, I do so more for the apps than the OS itself.

Apple has a habit of releasing new app updates that depend on a specific version of OS X. As an example, there is a new version of Aperture that is available that requires Lion but I can't update to it because our shared family MacBook Pro is still running Snow Leopard because ANOTHER app I need doesn't run on Lion.

We have 4 MacBooks in our family - my two oldest daughters got them for college, our shared family MacBook Pro is a Sandy Bridge model from 2011 that is running Snow Leopard, and my original black MacBook is in my studio running Lion. I am not happy that the original MacBook isn't being supported by Mountain Lion in spite of the fact that the Core 2 Duo processor in it is fully capable of running in 64-bit mode and has a 64-bit EFI. It's probably lack of 64-bit drivers for the Intel GMA x3100 that is the issue.

I'm sure that shortly after Mountain Lion is released, Apple will release a new version of Logic that requires Mountain Lion and I won't be able to run it on the Core 2 Duo based MacBook in my studio. Sigh...
 
LordVic said:
Without JOb's at the helm, Will we see apple regress to the 90's apple again?
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Jobs did a lot of good things. He was the worlds best sales person. The master of smoke and mirrors presentations he could whip the crowd into a buying frenzy.

He was the master at taking credit for everything creative Apple ever did, even though only some of it was his.

He created the cult like culture, within the company and within the customer base.

But he was far from perfect. I'll save the gory details, suffice to say that it's good he's gone.

We have a more mature, stable, highly positive person at the helm now.

Those who liked the circus atmosphere will miss Steve.

Those who are counting on Apple for the long run will most likely be very pleased with the company going forward.
 
Rog210 said:
Mr Cook,

I am writing to express my dismay at Apple's refusal to support the Mac Pro 1,1 with the upcoming Mountain Lion release.

When I bought this machine, I distinctly remember a flashy badge on your website proclaiming the machine was "64 bit", now I hear the machine can't run ML because it isn't 64 bit. Please tell me which is true? I don't see any way Apple can legally claim a machine is 64 bit and then 5 years later say, "oh, we didn't mean that kind of 64 bit".

As I'm sure you're aware, this machine is still perfectly capable and I'm very disappointed that Apple has decided to stop supporting it, especially given it's status as the top of the line Apple workstation, with a premium price tag attached. I had no plans to upgrade any time soon, especially as your current Mac Pro offerings are somewhat long in the tooth. Now my dilemma is whether I should stick with Apple at all. A premium product, with a significant monetary investment, demands premium support from the vendor. Apple abandoning this machine makes me question Apple's values regarding it's professional customers. After all, why pay more for a top of the line product given the knowledge that your company may decide to drop development for it at any time?
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Blue Velvet said:
Stop making sense.


;)
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Sorry, couldn't resist. I agree, this isn't about old systems but about systems that are 64-bit compliant yet Apple is simply not providing the EFI64 firmware for them. When a system such as a Mac Pro is sold as FULL 64-BIT capable, then dropped at Apple's choice not because of hardware limitations but a business decision this is screwing the professional/enterprise market that invests thousands in systems. There are some computers on the list that still have AppleCare coverage (under three years) that do not "qualify".

Apple's dropping the ball. We are not talking about iPhone's and iPad's, but $2,000+ computers that are 2/3/4 years old. Enough already, stop screwing your high end clients, get over iOS and put better focus on OS X. Coding could have been done for firmware and KEXTS to keep reasonable systems going. This just shows Apple's lack of concern for its customers. Period.
 
6CoreWhore said:
There are some computers on the list that still have AppleCare coverage (under three years) that do not "qualify".
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:confused: That's not true.

Apple's dropping the ball. We are not talking about iPhone's and iPad's, but $2,000+ computers that are 2/3/4 years old.
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:confused: Maybe you are looking at the wrong list?
 
phxmac said:
I just sent this email to Tim Cook at Apple...

Dear Mr. Cook,

I'm sure you are receiving a lot of email from Apple customers that are concerned about the fact that the upcoming operating system release "Mountain Lion" will not support many workstation and laptop models due to the lack of 64-bit support.

My concern is that when I purchased my 2006 Mac Pro (Mac Pro 1,1)- I was sold on the marketing language that this was a 64-bit computer. The box that my computer came in actually had "64-bit" logos on each side of the box. Nowhere did I read that there was a limitation of the 32-bit EFI that prevented the workstation from running a 64-bit kernel. So I am now learning that I actually purchased a 32-bit workstation that has no ability to ever run a true 64-bit kernel despite the marketing language and product description and specifications on the Apple.com website.

I'll be honest, I feel as though I was misled and I know that I am not alone in this opinion.

Is there anything that can be done to resolve this?

Thank you for your time.
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This would not be the first time apple has been dishonest.
 
ixodes said:
But he was far from perfect. I'll save the gory details, suffice to say that it's good he's gone.

We have a more mature, stable, highly positive person at the helm now.

Those who liked the circus atmosphere will miss Steve.
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ouch!
 
russofris said:
Longevity (when compared with a Windows PC) is one of the reasons many of us purchase a Mac. While I hate assigning arbitrary numbers to something as intangible as OS Support, 3 seems low.

That said, I hope they maintain Lion for another year or two as they did with PPC/10.5.

F
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I'm hoping they do that with Snow Leopard.
 
I have a 2007 Macbook that can't upgrade, which is annoying since it's still perfectly fast w/ 2gb of ram, but it's also nearing the end of its useful life so meh...
 
till213 said:
No, they dropped support for all those graphic cards for which they were too lazy... err... sorry, had more important projects like "Game Center" or, heck, "Facebook/Twitter integration" than upgrading the existing 32bit drivers to 64bit.

And mind you, "OpenGL 3.2" is implemented in the driver !
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Yes, and neither Nvidia or AMD support those cards anymore. It's more than just Apple here. And while OpenGL 3.2 is implemented in the driver, the card has to physically support it.

It's more than just a 'driver' we're talking about here. Kexts have both Nvidia and AMD code in them. It's low level stuff.
 
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Elijahg said:
That's true, but Apple's ported pretty much all the drivers for the unsupported Macs to 64 bit anyway, as the hardware between the last EFI32 Macs and first EFI64 is almost the same.

There's no reason why Apple can't compile the kernel in 32 bit for the EFI32 Macs, other than the greed to get people buy new Macs. Only thing is, there aren't really enough features in ML to make people upgrade, people'll just stick with SL or Lion as Microsoft experienced with Vista/7, a large proportion stayed on XP.
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Exactly. What's the difference between the MacPro1,1, MacPro2,1, and MacPro3,1?

1,1 and 2,1 are the same except the 2,1 was a more expensive option that was released the yer after. The 3,1 was a minor processor bump and had EFI64 instead of EFI32.
 
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