Don't even think I'll install it if I get an invite. After using DP1, I had enough of the pastel colors, the in-your-face Spotlight, the removal of features in Safari, it being difficult to tell if Safari was the active window, removal of settings in System Preferences. Yeah, I'm good.
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OS X Yosemite Public Beta Launches Tomorrow, July 24
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It's always wise to keep everything backed up, beta or no beta. Everything important on my machine is saved to Dropbox or my external hard drive.
So even IF it all goes pear shaped and my machine gets totally screwed, I can just use recovery to reinstall my mac's original software and carry on as normal, minus a few iMessages.
If your situation is anything like this, then fill your boots with beta goodness.
If you're the total opposite, it's probably not for you.
So even IF it all goes pear shaped and my machine gets totally screwed, I can just use recovery to reinstall my mac's original software and carry on as normal, minus a few iMessages.
If your situation is anything like this, then fill your boots with beta goodness.
If you're the total opposite, it's probably not for you.
I'm wondering if Apple will release anything for iCloud tomorrow. I have been holding off iCloud drive knowing that once I enable it, I will never be able to go back to the old iCloud with all my other contents on it.
Could you imagine how many people PB will flip the switch and flip out once they find out they can't access their old documents thats on the iCloud.
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Never as isn you're staying with 10.9 forever? Thats like saying you'll never go with iOS7 and staying with iOS6 forever knowing that all future release will look similar to iOS7.
Could you imagine how many people PB will flip the switch and flip out once they find out they can't access their old documents thats on the iCloud.
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Never as isn you're staying with 10.9 forever? Thats like saying you'll never go with iOS7 and staying with iOS6 forever knowing that all future release will look similar to iOS7.
Nothing but its a beta and not as a public release like mavericks but when you have a time machine backup i dont se any risks
Finally
FINALLY!!!!!! Have been waiting since June 2. Oh my gosh, cannot believe this is happening! YAAAAAY!
If I signed up at 4:27 ET on June 2 do you think I'm in the first one million?
FINALLY!!!!!! Have been waiting since June 2. Oh my gosh, cannot believe this is happening! YAAAAAY!
If I signed up at 4:27 ET on June 2 do you think I'm in the first one million?
Exciting!
Does anyone who has used the developer preview know if you can use the usb install method that DOES NOT create a recovery partition?
I want to install this on one partition of an external drive to try out but I absolutely can't afford to install it on my main machine. I've always been a little confused about how the hidden recovery partition works when you are installing on an external and if the hidden partition is easy to remove (particularly without messing up any other partitions i have on the same hard drive).
Does anyone who has used the developer preview know if you can use the usb install method that DOES NOT create a recovery partition?
I want to install this on one partition of an external drive to try out but I absolutely can't afford to install it on my main machine. I've always been a little confused about how the hidden recovery partition works when you are installing on an external and if the hidden partition is easy to remove (particularly without messing up any other partitions i have on the same hard drive).
Worst Idea Ever.
Developers just received a new build a couple days ago.
If this Public build is the same, This really is not ready for the public.
Developers just received a new build a couple days ago.
If this Public build is the same, This really is not ready for the public.
It's a beta. No, it's not safe to use as your main PC.
Be sure to disconnect your Time Machine Backup before you upgrade then. Some of your data will be upgraded and can't be downgraded, such as your mail, iTunes/iPhoto libraries, etc.
Though I wouldn't use a Time Machine - I'd make a drive clone before you upgrade. It's the fastest way to get back to a working Mac.
Why not just be safe and install it on a separate drive/partition?
I don't want to derail this thread, but could you point me to some info showing how to do that?
I've got a couple of spare drives and caddies, so I'd like to give it a go (assuming I do get into the beta).
I've also got a Time Capsule if that helps.
Cheers.
Never as in I've already used it and didn't like it. And your iOS7 comment, I stuck with it for a year, hated it, switched to Android and haven't looked back.
I actually downgraded back to OS X Mavericks. Beta 3 was still a little too buggy for me, so I decided that I would wait it out until the official release, despite hearing mostly good things about Beta 4. I'm already missing the new look!
Won't it be up to the app developers to implement updated icons for the taskbar rather than Apple?
Same boat here with ios7. I am even an IOS developer and I switched to Android and am incredibly happy. Its just better in almost every way.
OSX though I rotate through windows / OSX Mavericks monthly and I always come back to OSX, because it is better in almost every way.
That said, if Yosemite stopped and was released as it stands now, Windows is a better choice. Yosemite is incredibly buggy and buggy in the the most important aspects for the general population ( mail and wifi ) . It is slower and uses more resources than the last OSX and the improvements are primarily cosmetic apart from the text message from your laptop thing so there is no real reason to get off of Mavericks.
I signed up for this and can not wait! Hopefully I am in the 1 million, I signed up straight after 
WWDC.
I would like to install on a separate partition but I have a bootcamp partition already on my rMBP and when I installed DP2 on a separate partition it messed up my bootcamp one and made it unbootable, I later found this to be a common issue where if you have a bootcamp partition then you mess with the partitions it will mess up the bootcamp one.
I managed to recover everything in the end and I am back to how I was but that was a confusing day.
Just a warning for people in my position, if there is a simple way round this I would love to know!
I will be installing Yosemite over Mavericks then as I do not need my laptop that desperately at the moment as I am a student and it is holidays, I also have Time Machine if it all goes wrong.
WWDC.I would like to install on a separate partition but I have a bootcamp partition already on my rMBP and when I installed DP2 on a separate partition it messed up my bootcamp one and made it unbootable, I later found this to be a common issue where if you have a bootcamp partition then you mess with the partitions it will mess up the bootcamp one.
I managed to recover everything in the end and I am back to how I was but that was a confusing day.
Just a warning for people in my position, if there is a simple way round this I would love to know!
I will be installing Yosemite over Mavericks then as I do not need my laptop that desperately at the moment as I am a student and it is holidays, I also have Time Machine if it all goes wrong.
this was also the case going from mavericks to dp2 (which as far as I know is the only way to get to DP4 with deltas). sort of a bust.
yep i am just saying i wouldnt use dark mode yet cuz it looks crappy this way until the devs update their programs
You should NEVER EVER use a beta version of an operating system on your main computer/partition. PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION.
Why? Just because a lot of functions are stable, doesn't mean every one of them is stable, and just because the apps that some use with it are stable in the current beta, doesn't mean that all of them are. Apple and the third party developers usually update their apps following the general release of new versions of OS X for a reason.
Never gonna happen. Highly possible that they'll implement a public beta for iOS 9 depending on how well this program works; but odds are extremely good that it isn't gonna happen this time around.
Install the beta on a different partition, drive, or machine; use ARD when needed on your stable partition, drive, or machine and switch when you want to play around with the new OS.
First off, Beta 3 was not ready for public release. Secondly, Beta 4 currently isn't ready for public release. Just because you haven't run into trouble with the things you do or the programs you use doesn't mean that said trouble doesn't exist. I'm sure there's ton of work left to go under the hood. Above the hood even there are still a ton of apps that are in need of an iconography makeover (i.e. that still look like they did in Mavericks and earlier)
Lastly, I'm rocking iOS 8 beta 4 on one of my iPod touches. Aside from it feeling markedly slower than iOS 7.1.2 on the same hardware, it's felt about as stable. Then again, given the above, I admit that I haven't mucked around with every element of iOS 8, though, to be fair, it's a much simpler OS from the user interface perspective than Yosemite is.
Dude, you are not helping anyone here. Even if Yosemite in DP4/Public Beta form does nothing to harm users, you're going to have people follow that advice, run into trouble and then incorrectly assert that Yosemite is a bunk/buggy OS. It happens all the time.
Anyone running ANY beta of ANY OS should be advised to do so on a secondary partition, drive, or machine. Time Machining a machine that impotant data before doing an upgrade install to a Yosemite beta is an obvious must.
First off, do you have any cited prove that it is? Would love to see it.
Secondly, Swift code is able to run on Mavericks and newer as well as iOS 7 and newer. I'd imagine that, if anything, Mavericks and iOS 7 were the ones that were reprogrammed to use Swift (and would likely be inclusive in the really large amounts of under-the-hood work done in both OSes).
You can code in Swift for no earlier than 10.9 Mavericks or iOS 7. Mountain Lion and iOS 6 are left out of the Swift-coded app party.
For messing around, they're fine. Don't use it as your primary boot environment. Put it on a different partition, drive, or machine. At this point, expect things to mostly work, but be really be prepared for many things to not.
My guess is that you won't be able to. Again, installing it on a secondary partition, drive, or machine makes it so that reformating and re-installing the general release isn't a hassle; you can just upgrade your main machine and reformat and clean install the new OS on the secondary.
Nope, they did it with 10.0 as well. But yes, this is the first time that they have done this since then (14 years ago). Many consider 10.0 to be the public beta for 10.1 (which should've been the 10.0 release).
Solution: Don't put it on a production machine. Put it on a secondary.
also, can I upgrade my current Mavericks install to Yosemite with this Beta, or do I need to do a brand new install?[/QUOTE]
Given that you could upgrade a Mavericks installation with DP1 (through DP4), my guess is that you'll be able to do the same with the Public Beta. Just a guess though...
They were more the proof-of-concept releases for 10.1.
Um, things won't work and you won't be able to downgrade without wiping and restoring from a Time Machine back-up?
That last part about rolling back is just not true. If you take a Time Machine back up before you upgrade, you'll be able to boot your Mac into the Time Machine and restore. But I really don't think the public beta will be that bad seeing as Apple are willing to put it into the hands of the public (
). But there are certainly easy ways of going back. The fact is, lots of people in the public beta will use it as their main operating system because they're the public and the public don't care much for the ALMIGHTY AND TERRIFYING beta. They may not be able to moan about certainly features not being as functional as they could be but that won't stop them using it as if it's a finished release.Well okay, that's your opinion, I can understand how some people would take that advice the wrong way.
By the way, I noticed something else you said, surely when the final release comes around it'll have a later build version than the beta and will be available as a simple upgrade via the App Store? Just like what was the case with Mavericks.
That last part about rolling back is just not true. If you take a Time Machine back up before you upgrade, you'll be able to boot your Mac into the Time Machine and restore. But I really don't think the public beta will be that bad seeing as Apple are willing to put it into the hands of the public (
Capslock notwithstanding, I'm pretty sure no one is characterizing this beta as neither almighty nor terrifying. The advice centered around people new to running beta software; hence the beta newbies moniker. You were the second person to respond to my comment with the roll back response. Time Machine and an external drive or partitioning will make that easier no doubt. If a poster is asking, "will installing this beta over my current OS be okay", I don't think it's a stretch to assume a contingency plan may have been overlooked.
In cases like this, I would rather give someone the worst case scenario and have them pleasantly surprised when it doesn't occur than tell them it will probably be okay and have them experience something they aren't equipped to deal with. Just me.
edit: This is a perfect quote from a beta newbie:
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I guess installing the beta will finally give me a reason to wipe my drive and start over like I've been procrastinating on for months