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  • QuickView doesn't work properly
  • The whole OS is very laggy if you have more than one app open (and this is on a one year old MBP)
  • Finder is very laggy always
  • iMessage keeps trying to use my old account rather than the new one I set up iCloud with
  • My laptop doesn't go to sleep properly when plugged into an external monitor (although this bug was present in previous versions too)

There probably more I can't think of right now, but this OS is very frustrating, especially when it slows my computer down to a crawl. I can only hope Yosemite is an improvement.

Not to discount what you're saying, but I'm running 10.9.3 and have no issues with QuicKView, general OS lag, the Finder or iMessage. Can't speak to the external display bug you mention as I don't use one, but regardless, I'm not experiencing any of the issues you are and I'm using a 2009 MacBook Pro. I genuinely recommend backing up, wiping your Mac and then setting it up from scratch. It sounds like a pain, but the only explanation for the issues you're having is some combination of either a botched upgrade or the like.

I'm running a 2008 MBP and it runs perfectly with Mavericks, and the 2012 iMac is tickety-boo also. I did what J@ffa suggests, with a clean install though, to get things started off. Try logging out and then back in to the icloud site, that sorted things for me, when Mavericks was first released and I had message problems like yours, 0dev.
 
I'm running a 2008 MBP and it runs perfectly with Mavericks, and the 2012 iMac is tickety-boo also. I did what J@ffa suggests, with a clean install though, to get things started off. Try logging out and then back in to the icloud site, that sorted things for me, when Mavericks was first released and I had message problems like yours, 0dev.

I tried a clean install, I even made a whole new user account. It helped a little but only a little. All the lagginess is still there and while it is more stable now (apps used to crash constantly) it is still very frustrating.

I'm hoping it'll get faster when I eventually replace the HD with an SSD.
 
I tried a clean install, I even made a whole new user account. It helped a little but only a little. All the lagginess is still there and while it is more stable now (apps used to crash constantly) it is still very frustrating.

I'm hoping it'll get faster when I eventually replace the HD with an SSD.

Just wondering... When you say a clean install, how far did you go with that? I wiped my drive clean completely first, filling it with zeros, then did my install. Took a while, but I have had no issues. I know that sometimes hardware has its quirks, but I don't understand your problematic experience with Mavericks. I understand you have had a negative experience with it, but I fail to comprehend why some people are just "unlucky" with the copy they download and install... :confused:

I hope it gets better for you, 0dev.
 
Well... Aesthetics are subjective but I could say that you have no taste at all if you seriously claim that iOS 6 and Mountain Lion looks better than iOS 7/8 and Yosemite. Apple is going definitely to the right direction with their UI design.

All the software Ive has touched looks like complete crap. I'd go so far as to say ios7/8 is the ugliest mobile os that exists.
 
Just wondering... When you say a clean install, how far did you go with that? I wiped my drive clean completely first, filling it with zeros, then did my install. Took a while, but I have had no issues. I know that sometimes hardware has its quirks, but I don't understand your problematic experience with Mavericks. I understand you have had a negative experience with it, but I fail to comprehend why some people are just "unlucky" with the copy they download and install... :confused:

I hope it gets better for you, 0dev.

I didn't zero the drive out but I did a normal wipe and reinstalled Mavericks clean from an external HD.

Honestly I think it's because Mavericks is made more for the new Retina Macs running off SSDs while mine has an HD. Problem is a reasonably sized SSD is still overpriced. I've got a 500GB HD right now, a 500GB SSD would be £200. I could buy a 2TB HD for half of that. I will wait for the price to drop before making that jump.
 
I think you already dumbed it down enough.

And clearly you have absolutely no grasp of statistics.

Clearly you have no idea why the entire industry is moving towards open Beta testing, including Apple:

https://appleseed.apple.com/sp/betaprogram

The OS X Beta Program lets you take part in shaping it by test-driving pre-release versions and letting us know what you think. Your comments will help us make OS X better for all Mac users.

This is how the Windows & Linux communities have worked for years. I'm glad Apple has now opened up to it.
 
Use an 8GB+ USB stick and format it with GUID partition mapping and a partition named Untitled, then run the following 5 commands in terminal:

sudo hdiutil attach /Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ 10.10\ Developer\ Preview.app/Contents/SharedSupport/InstallESD.dmg

sudo asr restore -source /Volumes/OS\ X\ Install\ ESD/BaseSystem.dmg -target /Volumes/Untitled -erase -format HFS+

sudo rm /Volumes/OS\ X\ Base\ System/System/Installation/Packages

sudo cp -a /Volumes/OS\ X\ Install\ ESD/Packages /Volumes/OS\ X\ Base\ System/System/Installation/Packages

sudo cp -a /Volumes/OS\ X\ Install\ ESD/BaseSystem.dmg /Volumes/OS\ X\ Install\ ESD/BaseSystem.chunklist /Volumes/OS\ X\ Base\ System

Does anyone know if the createinstallmedia command works with the Yosemite installer?

sudo /Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ Mavericks.app/Contents/Resources/createinstallmedia --volume /Volumes/Untitled --applicationpath /Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ Mavericks.app --nointeraction
 
Y'all saying not to install a beta on your main drive...as long as you have a Time Machine backup you're completely fine. Anything goes wrong, roll straight back to before you updated to the beta OS. I can't see the risk in that.

Only if you don't do things that can't be reversed. Like say if you also update to the new iWork apps and then the files don't work with the old versions. Same with changes to iTunes/iPhoto libraries etc.

You find a major issues a few days out and it could be messy

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Clearly you have no idea why the entire industry is moving towards open Beta testing, including Apple:

https://appleseed.apple.com/sp/betaprogram



This is how the Windows & Linux communities have worked for years. I'm glad Apple has now opened up to it.

It's less about increasing the testing count and more about cutting down on folks getting it via torrents etc.
 
Buggy as hell?? Can you point out those bugs? I don't have any.

Macericks is VERY stable compared to Mountain Lion. And more snappy too.

No one can ever point out those magic bugs I've noticed.

The only bug I encounter, and it isn't a huge one, is that when using multiple monitors if I use Mission Control to move a fullscreen app from one monitor to another and exit full screen, the app I moved has a grey bar where the menu bar would be. The only way to fix it is to exit and re-enter full screen.

I've reported it several times since 10.9.1, but it isn't a priority I guess.
 
Sorry but that's not what I was asking for. The earlier poster said Apple was quoted as to saying they fully tweak the OS X for the Mac to make the presentation appear perfect. Your article link talks about tweaking the iPhone's signal bars.

ouch this is painful. you didn't even READ that article did you? "Your article link talks about tweaking the iPhone's signal bars." REALLY? Did you miss the entire rest of the article that talks about how the iPhone could play a section of a song or a video, but it couldn’t play an entire clip reliably without crashing. It worked fine if you sent an e-mail and then surfed the Web. If you did those things in reverse, however, it might not. Hours of trial and error had helped the iPhone team develop what engineers called “the golden path,” a specific set of tasks, performed in a specific way and order, that made the phone look as if it worked.
 
Well aesthetics are subjective. I like iOS 7 (and 8) and the look of Yosemite; it's not perfect, but it's a whole lot better than iOS 6 and Mountain Lion (Mavericks was moving in the right direction)...
I still strongly hate the iOS redesign.

OS X redesign is much better, though still very arbitrary.
 
Hours of trial and error had helped the iPhone team develop what engineers called “the golden path,” a specific set of tasks, performed in a specific way and order, that made the phone look as if it worked.[/I]

Completely irrelevant to OSX announcements. Yosemite was demoed and the beta was released hours later. The OS runs well enough for the most part, no reason to fake a demo.
 
Has anyone received their download token yet?

I signed up a long time ago and have had nothing since from Apple.

Can I assume I didn't get in?
 
There is no fixed date for the public beta. The announcement said 'in the summer' so it could be any time between now and the 20 September.. Once there's news, Apple will inform you. And if they don't you'll see a rush of posts on here :)
 
Does anyone know if the createinstallmedia command works with the Yosemite installer?

sudo /Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ Mavericks.app/Contents/Resources/createinstallmedia --volume /Volumes/Untitled --applicationpath /Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ Mavericks.app --nointeraction

Well that's definitely not going to work for yosemite because you are going to end up with a mavericks usb installer if you run that command (assuming you have the mavericks installer in your applications folder).

The thing to do for yosemite is one of 2 methods, one of which uses createinstallmedia, and the other doesn't.

Method 1 (not using createinstallmedia):

Use and 8GB+ USB stick and format it with GUID partition mapping and a partition named Untitled, then run the following 5 commands in terminal.

Note that you will be prompted to enter passwords for some of them. The 4th one takes the longest, so be patient (it hasn't frozen or crashed, etc, just wait for it to finish).

sudo hdiutil attach /Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ 10.10\ Developer\ Preview.app/Contents/SharedSupport/InstallESD.dmg

sudo asr restore -source /Volumes/OS\ X\ Install\ ESD/BaseSystem.dmg -target /Volumes/Untitled -erase -format HFS+

sudo rm /Volumes/OS\ X\ Base\ System/System/Installation/Packages

sudo cp -a /Volumes/OS\ X\ Install\ ESD/Packages /Volumes/OS\ X\ Base\ System/System/Installation/Packages

sudo cp -a /Volumes/OS\ X\ Install\ ESD/BaseSystem.dmg /Volumes/OS\ X\ Install\ ESD/BaseSystem.chunklist /Volumes/OS\ X\ Base\ System

Method 2 (using createinstallmedia):

In attempting to make a bootable usb of yosemite, people previously had a lot of difficulty with createinstallmedia before and had to resort to using other manual methods (such as method 1 above). But there is a fix you can do to an Info.plist file in the yosemite installer which will then allow the createinstallmedia unix executable file to work properly.

1. Fix the Info.plist file

Right click on Install OS X 10.10 Developer Preview and then Show Package Contents. Open the Contents folder and then open Info.plist with textedit and change the string value of CFBundleShortVersionString from 1.4.3 to 1.4.1. Save the file.

2. Make the bootable usb

Now format an 8 GB USB drive which should be called Untitled and formatted as Mac OS Extended (Journaled). The installer should be called Install OS X 10.10 Developer Preview.app and should be in your Applications folder.

Run this in terminal and wait about 20 minutes:

sudo /Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ 10.10\ Developer\ Preview.app/Contents/Resources/createinstallmedia --volume /Volumes/Untitled --applicationpath /Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ 10.10\ Developer\ Preview.app --nointeraction
 
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Well that's definitely not going to work for yosemite because you are going to end up with a mavericks usb installer if you run that command (assuming you have the mavericks installer in your applications folder).

The thing to do for yosemite is one of 2 methods, one of which uses createinstallmedia, and the other doesn't.

Method 1 (not using createinstallmedia):

Use and 8GB+ USB stick and format it with GUID partition mapping and a partition named Untitled, then run the following 5 commands in terminal.

Note that you will be prompted to enter passwords for some of them. The 4th one takes the longest, so be patient (it hasn't frozen or crashed, etc, just wait for it to finish).

sudo hdiutil attach /Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ 10.10\ Developer\ Preview.app/Contents/SharedSupport/InstallESD.dmg

sudo asr restore -source /Volumes/OS\ X\ Install\ ESD/BaseSystem.dmg -target /Volumes/Untitled -erase -format HFS+

sudo rm /Volumes/OS\ X\ Base\ System/System/Installation/Packages

sudo cp -a /Volumes/OS\ X\ Install\ ESD/Packages /Volumes/OS\ X\ Base\ System/System/Installation/Packages

sudo cp -a /Volumes/OS\ X\ Install\ ESD/BaseSystem.dmg /Volumes/OS\ X\ Install\ ESD/BaseSystem.chunklist /Volumes/OS\ X\ Base\ System

Method 2 (using createinstallmedia):

In attempting to make a bootable usb of yosemite, people previously had a lot of difficulty with createinstallmedia before and had to resort to using other manual methods (such as method 1 above). But there is a fix you can do to an Info.plist file in the yosemite installer which will then allow the createinstallmedia unix executable file to work properly.

1. Fix the Info.plist file

Right click on Install OS X 10.10 Developer Preview and then Show Package Contents. Open the Contents folder and then open Info.plist with textedit and change the string value of CFBundleShortVersionString from 1.4.3 to 1.4.1. Save the file.

2. Make the bootable usb

Now format an 8 GB USB drive which should be called Untitled and formatted as Mac OS Extended (Journaled). The installer should be called Install OS X 10.10 Developer Preview.app and should be in your Applications folder.

Run this in terminal and wait about 20 minutes:

sudo /Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ 10.10\ Developer\ Preview.app/Contents/Resources/createinstallmedia --volume /Volumes/Untitled --applicationpath /Applications/Install\ OS\ X\ 10.10\ Developer\ Preview.app --nointeraction

Thank you sir! For clearing that up and providing the workaround. HURRAY for helpful MacRumors members such as yourself. :)
 
Completely irrelevant to OSX announcements. Yosemite was demoed and the beta was released hours later. The OS runs well enough for the most part, no reason to fake a demo.

Agreed. I've been running my iMac on Yosemite exclusively since Dev. Preview 2. Most of the features work with my iPhone and iPad. I mostly like Yosemite, and in some cases, it's awesome! (for example, never missing a phone call again with iOS 8 integration and being able to send and receive SMS and MMS messages on my Mac is just beautiful...and useful!)
 
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