OS9 - 2013 Macbook Pro?

Discussion in 'PowerPC Macs' started by Freezekitty, Aug 22, 2016.

  1. Freezekitty macrumors newbie

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    Is there anyway for me to experience the good ol' days of OS9 on my 2013 macbook pro running el capitain?

    I understand that "Classic" is waaay obsolete but are there other ways or emulators that I can somehow still do it?
     
  2. Freezekitty thread starter macrumors newbie

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    ive heard of it but feel like its so difficult to get running
     
  3. Gamer9430 macrumors 68020

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    Depending on where you look, you can get a pre-made Sheepshaver package, commonly known as Classic on Intel or ChubbyBunny Sheepshaver. Due to the fact that it contains copyrighted material like the Macintosh ROM and an install of OS 9, we cannot provide you with links to those packages on here, but with a few searches on the magical Google, I'm sure it'll turn up.
     
  4. LightBulbFun macrumors 6502a

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  5. Eriamjh1138@DAN macrumors 6502

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    I installed ChubbyBunny on my 2011 MBP running macOS Sierra and it DOES NOT WORK because of some kind of 32 to 64-bit change in Sierra. However, the install on my iMac 2013 running El Cap was effortless and worked great.
     
  6. hartleymartin macrumors regular

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    If you want to run OS9 software, your best bet is to get an old PowerPC Mac and install OSX 10.4

    OS9 and OS9 programs really only work properly on PowerPC Macs. You can probably pick up a MacMini G4 for quite cheap on eBay (I've even known for them to be given away.) and with OSX10.4 installed you can run everything from the OS9 days, through to most early OSX stuff.

    I keep an old 2003 PowerMac G5 under my desk with a DVI switch hooked up to my 27" screen which alternates between my 2008 Mac Pro and the G5. only use the G5 for games these days (most of which were written for OS9) as it struggles to keep up with the modern internet. to be entirely Fair, it has been 10 years since Apple transitioned to Intel and support for PowerPC dried up years ago. The fact that I can make use of a 13-yo Mac as a gaming rig speaks highly of Apple's build quality.
     
  7. eyoungren macrumors P6

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  8. weckart macrumors 68040

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    The only strike against the Mac Mini G4 is the 1GB of RAM limit. If you run OS9 in Classic Mode, you have the overhead of Tiger in the background to contend with eating into the RAM. It all depends what you want to run. I have had a few old games crash the system and not every OS9 application runs gracefully in Classic Mode. A better bet would be one of the G4 Power Macs. Bigger and noisier but they will run OS9 natively.
     
  9. bunnspecial macrumors 603

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    Agreed on this-I've never been particularly hot on classic mode, especially on single processor systems. I much prefer to run OS 9 natively.

    My main "gaming machine" for Classic games is a Cube with an 800mhz/1mb Sonnet upgrade, a GEForce 3, and connected to an ADC CRT. I will fully admit to this not exactly being a common set-up. The Sonnet was generously given to me by @jbarley , and @LightBulbFun found the GEForce 3 for sale. The ADC CRTs are best hunted down locally due to their size and weight. I prefer a CRT in this application because they run a lot more gracefully at less than native resolution, something that becomes significant when you have full screen games at 800x600 or 640x480.

    For "on the go" I alternate between a Clamshell iBook and a 1ghz TiBook. The Clamshell again provides an advantage for full screen, as there is minimal "windowing" when running a 640x480 program on its 800x600 display.

    I have a 9600/200MP set up also for some really old stuff that just runs too fast on a G3 or G4. Granted, I've found some stuff that still runs too fast on that. The 9600 is parked next to my main Quicksilver, and I have a handful of sort of "mindless" games I play on it to pass the time while I'm waiting on the QS to do other stuff. One particular one is a 1992 version of the card game Mille Bornes(my second favorite card game behind Rook). The computer's plays are effectively instantaneous, and it's caught me off guard more than once.
     
  10. hartleymartin macrumors regular

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    I know about TenFourFox. I used in on an iBook G4 and found that I got pretty awful lagging on YouTube and FaceBook. I have not yet tried it out on my G5 as that is an on-going saga and it is running only 10.2.7 at the moment. I'm about to re-attempt the OSX 10.4.11 installation on that soon.
     
  11. eyoungren macrumors P6

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    Yeah, Youtube is one of those sites that don't really work well with T4Fx and lower specced Macs.

    If I need video, I tend to use Safari for that (as much as I hate it).
     
  12. bunnspecial macrumors 603

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    Not too long ago, I was watching 720p videos on a Quad in Leopard Webkit with no buffering, stuttering, or other problems whatsoever. I made videos of it after someone fairly high profile posted a review on Youtube of the Quad saying that it couldn't play Youtube at 360p.

    In any case, I watch Youtube in Leopard Webkit on my Quicksilver. I need to give it time to load and it does stutter a bit, but it does work.

     
  13. Dronecatcher macrumors 68000

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    For Facebook, use the mobile site (m.facebook.com) - you could also use Fluid or TenFourFoxBox for it with a mobile device user agent.

    For Youtube use my directions here, if your iBook is 1.33 or higher, 720P Youtube is possible:

    http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/youtube-options-in-2016.1986056/#post-23195872
     
  14. hartleymartin macrumors regular

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    My G5 is a dual-processor unit from 2003. I get a bit of stuttering and shakiness at first, but after about 10 seconds of video it settles down. It seems happiest playing at 360 or 480 rather than 720.

    I was watching some videos from the 8-bit-guy (formerly the iBook Guy) who notes that G4s these days really struggle to play YouTube clips, though I think this has more to do with the transition to HTML5 from Flash more than anything else.

    I mostly use my G5 for old OS9 games but now that I got OSX Tiger properly installed, I think I'll be able to find some other jobs for it.
     
  15. bunnspecial macrumors 603

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    If anything, the transition to HTML5 has been a blessing for PPC Macs.

    Flash is and always was a pig, and the PPC version is I think three or four versions out of date now. This is actually a big deal since Flash has SERIOUS security vulnerabilities that seem to appear at an alarming rate.
     
  16. Dronecatcher macrumors 68000

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    Can you cite any examples where HTML5 is better (ie similar performance but with the security benefits)? Personally I don't see any evidence, as in every instance of HTML5 video and audio, there's a huge CPU hit. Some sites are now unusable on my G4s.
    That's some price for keeping abreast of security issues!
     
  17. hartleymartin macrumors regular

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    Does this mean that I should get rid of Adobe Reader, Flash, etc on my Intel Macs?
     
  18. AmazingHenry macrumors 65816

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    For running OS 9, the cheapest way would be to go through the mess of SheepShaver. However, I tried it once and it is extremely hard to set up and it doesn't work with every program. If I were you, I'd just buy an old Mac. You can get iBook G4s for (usually) under $50, and they'll run Mac OS X Tiger, which works with the Classic environment so you can run Mac OS 9 applications. However, the iBook G4 cannot boot into Mac OS 9. If you want a Mac that boots into OS 9, you should go with any type of iBook G3 (either the "Clamshells" or the "Snow" models). Then you can install Mac OS 9 and boot directly into it.
     

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