OSX Lion not worth it, not impressed, nothing new

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killerbee79 said:
Buying Lion is a complete waste of $30. There is nothing new. Plus Rosetta is not in there so that means 2 apps I use all the time would be worthless. But even if it did have Rosetta, still not worth it.

Mission Control is nothing more than a re-named Expose that adds switching to different Spaces. Not impressed.

Multi-touch gestures are already present in Snow Leopard. I can already go back and forward in Safari using gestures now...they just added a little effect of seeing the old page scroll off to the right or left of the screen. whoopi.... Now Safari doesn't have a scroll bar. WOW!!! Innovation (sarcasm)

I use gestures right now for everything. To bring up Dashboard, Expose, Spaces, Navigating in windows (safari, finder)..... again nothing new.

I could go on and on.

I think Apple is running out of ideas of innovation in an operating system and are just re-naming things after making them look a little different. Kind of disappointing. But then yet, what else can one really do to an OS....

Apple won't be getting any money from me. I'll stick with my Snow Leopard thank you very much until I see something really new.

One thing they could do is make the OS have an artificial AI that you interact with. Now that would be cool! Tell the Mac to open up Text Edit and have it type what you say like a secretary would, or tell it to Google something and it instantly opens up Safari and does the search for you. Ask it what the weather's like and it opens up The Weather Channel in Safari and tells you the current conditions + forecast (using voice) while you look at it.

Ones imagination is the limit with this. The OS would even have it's own voice that responds to you. Now that's innovation....
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Clearly, you've pirated the Lion DP. If you obtained it legally, you would have access to many WWDC videos outlining exactly what's new, and there is a LOT, well beyond what is advertised in the 250 features. When Apple said they were taking things they learned from iOS and bringing it to the Mac, Launchpad and Multi-touch gestures weren't really what they were talking about. Part of this is in the revised API set, but a lot of it is in the design philosophies of application development, and it will create a much better user experience. Lion feels a lot like a stepping stone, much in the same way Snow Leopard was (I'd say Lion or Snow Leopard are as big stepping stones as 10.0-10.4 combined), which brings us to a $30 price point, partially because it would be hard to convince the majority of their user base to upgrade, but also because they can. I don't feel there was ever an OS upgrade worth $130, let alone the $300 Windows costs.

Even if you just take the visible feature set, are you getting less per dollar than if you were to spend the $300 on Windows?
 
Regardless of what changes/improvements that Lion brings to the table. The price alone means that a lot of people will be embracing the upgrade.

Also, the MAS approach, love it or hate it means for the consumer a very easy process update their OS.

I question the features that 10.7 has, and that's my opinion but apple has made a very seductive upgrade with the price and ease of installation.
 
maflynn said:
Regardless of what changes/improvements that Lion brings to the table. The price alone means that a lot of people will be embracing the upgrade.

Also, the MAS approach, love it or hate it means for the consumer a very easy process update their OS.

I question the features that 10.7 has, and that's my opinion but apple has made a very seductive upgrade with the price and ease of installation.
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Well said. Not only does it make it very easy for the mainstream consumer, but it removes a lot of tech support calls to Apple from those who have gotten in over their heads with a more conventional upgrade method.

We enthusiasts and professionals, tend to forget how much we know as compared to the "average buyer" (if there is such a thing) so, indeed you have pointed out the true value of the path that Apple has chosen to take, with the download model via the Mac App Store.
 
G-Force said:
I must say, I'm also not that impressed by Lion. I use a normal mouse (and don't want to use Magic Mouse or Magic Trackpad) so I don't notice all the new gesture stuff. However, because the price is low and the interface had a cleanup, I will buy it. If it was $ 129 I would not buy it.
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I'm pretty sure I'll buy Lion for my 2008 iMac as well, for the reasons you've mentioned. Though I'm still very much on the fence as to if I'll buy a Magic Trackpad once Lion hits the streets. Sure would be nice if Apple gave Lion updaters a break on a new Magic Trackpad.
 
I'll say this again....

Magic Trackpad makes all the difference in the world
when it comes to Lion. It's the perfect marriage.

I can understand the hesitation to move to a Trackpad.

I hated trackpads of years gone by. Don't necessarily
like them on my Macbook Pro. However, the Magic
Trackpad is a totally different animal. Very large surface
area, and using it on Lion is very much like using iOS 5
on an iPhone or iPad. I love the way your fingers allow
you to zoom in and out of different windows.
 
Agnostic

I'm agnostic here, I've only recently upgraded all my Macs and have them all on 10.6.8 - have trackpad and mighty mouse, but currently prefer mighty mouse for all my work.

I've not upgraded straightaway to a new OS since 10.4 and worry about stability issues and other general little issues that are usually ironed out by build 2.

However, with two new quad core 27in Imac i7's perhaps it may be a good idea to take the plunge early and upgrade everything to Lion in one go - this requires 4 instals though - 2 iMacs, Mac Mini and Boot-drive external that I run mac mini off.

Still downloading Lion GM, so will worry about it Sunday.
 
maflynn said:
Regardless of what changes/improvements that Lion brings to the table. The price alone means that a lot of people will be embracing the upgrade.

Also, the MAS approach, love it or hate it means for the consumer a very easy process update their OS.

I question the features that 10.7 has, and that's my opinion but apple has made a very seductive upgrade with the price and ease of installation.
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This update is going to piss so many people off with it's mission control overtaking spaces and expose. Apple have screwed up here.
 
VPrime said:
For me there are a few features that make it a huge step up from snow leopard worth the time.
Again these are just features that I am loving.
-Auto save/versions. Amazing. It is a realy simple version control. I currently manually save every 5 or 10 minutes to a new file incase I mess something up. Now built in.

-Select some files, and it makes a new fodler and stores them in it. Amazing.
-Merge content of folders
-Cut and paste of files.
-Low power wake fo file sharing. So If I need a file from another mac it won't turn on the monitor and junk. Just enough to get me my files.
-Mission control.. Makes me feel like a space man :D
-File sorting. New (much needed) additions finally make the finder more usable.


-Per user screen sharing - AMAZING. I have been really looking forward to this.

-Air drop. Depending on the speed of this, I assume this will be quite handy. Should be quicker than going and setting up a shared folder for a single file. (or moving a file to a shared folder).
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Thanks for the heads up on these items. I was not even aware of some of them. (like creating a new folder for multi-selected files).
 
Too little for me

The changes the Lion has brought to me are merely cosmetic. Mission control is now an icon that duplicates F3. Safari suffers a slow down. Mail looks awful and yes I realize I can change that back. I lost the functionality of MS Office... and yes I use that b/c I can share work with every MS user I work with. Launchpad is nothing more than a application folder made pretty. Now when I use Dashboard, my background is no longer available... instead, I now see a rubber floor mat. Address book looks awful.

I truly wanted a faster, leaner OS. A shake up of Safari to give it lightning fast loading. Give iPhoto an injection of go juice. I am more concerned about the engine than I am the fenders on my Macs. All the superficial makeovers are fine but I’d rather that stayed on my iPhone and iPad not on my Mac Pro or iMac. I wonder if I can get my $30 back?
 
On my Mac Pro Lion is a decent update, nothing revolutionary but it offers nice enhancements, better security and it works well. On my new Macbook Air Lion really thrives and I have to say that today I understood what Apple did for laptop users with small screens. For such users Lion is much better than Snow Leopard. Full screen mode is godsend and it is not the same as maximizing a window...Mission Control works really well on my Macbook Air. My only complain is that on my Mac Pro the advantages aren't that much, but I can understand and accept it, since most Macs are laptops nowadays...
 
I thought Snow Leopard was a good deal at $29. Lion is a way better deal at $29. On a Desktop Mac some of the features don't make sense (ex: Launchpad, Full-screen) but on small-screen MacBooks they do
 
Actually, on a desktop it makes perfect sense if you buy a MagicTrackpad.

Lion is designed for trackpad (gestured) use. Even the Magic Mouse is almost just as good.
 
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Security

The best feature for me is the built in full disk encryption and the ability of Time Machine to function with it. Time Machine was useless with Filevault.

Also, one of the reports said the security features of Lion are like Windows 7 plus, plus, plus.

This, by itself, is worth the upgrade.
 
NJRonbo said:
Actually, on a desktop it makes perfect sense if you buy a MagicTrackpad.

Lion is designed for trackpad (gestured) use. Even the Magic Mouse is almost just as good.
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I have both the Magic Trackpad and the mouse but still, Lion's major features (that are user related) work much better on a small screen. Having Launchpad on my 27" Cinema Display taking the whole screen is ridiculous. On my MBA it is great though. The same goes for full screen apps. Of course Lion is not only about Full screen apps and the launchpad. It brings so many new features that even a power user is happy. I have Lion Server installed and I use it as a Webdav and VPN server, something I couldn't really do before without additional software.
Mission Control also works well and I like it, so I would say that it is a power user feature, even if it lacks some of the functionality of Exposé.
The new Mail, Safari and iCal are also great, especially Safari which I absolutely love on Lion. The multitouch gestures are very tightly integrated in the OS and they work great.
Resume, Autosave and Versions are also great features and even for a power user it is nice to know that the ability to save the state of an app is a nice thing to have.
Overall I am very happy with Lion despite some small bugs that will eventually get solved.
 
How is this...Apple made a bigger deal out of Lion than they should have.

If it has all these great new features it has done a poor job showing how to implement them, a list is nice, but showing how it can be useful is another.

It was $30, and it covered all the computers. My wife loves the touchpad now, she never touched it before.

I miss my scroll bars.

Safari is screaming fast.

Launchpad is a great idea but for all of Apple's user testing did they ever try to do the gesture from a sitting position?

Still Launchpad is useless though for most, its too cluttered. I installed CS5 and you cannot delete the helper apps from Launchpad, in fact it seems you can only delete apps installed by the App Store.

IMO there is too much of a push to merge iOS and OSx. Fine if that is the master plan OK but doing something just for the sake of doing it does not make it a good thing.

The internal apps may have been greatly improved but never use any of them.
 
OK here is a bone.

Lion re-connects no problem to connections its lost on Windows shares after sleep/loss of connection.

Of course that is something that should have worked from the start but it even works in apps.

I lost my wireless connection(because of Lion) and when it re-connected I could sync my iPhone without having to restart iTunes which means it reconnected to the server and the library with no interaction. Usually iTunes crashes when this happens and you cannot reconnect to the share without rebooting.
 
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