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nsbio

macrumors 6502a
Aug 8, 2006
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All I want for my $129 is for my entire machine, all applications, to NOT freakin' completely lock up for several minutes when the Finder suddenly can't find a previously-mounted network volume. Is that too much to ask?

Evidently it is. Perhaps Steve himself likes this "feature", as it could serve as an excuse to take a break, for example, and therefore it can not be removed or fixed. There is no other (rational) explanation for why previously mounted network volumes are handled so abismally bad in all versions of OSX.
 

pieman02

macrumors regular
Apr 27, 2007
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While I agree what steve showed was mostly fluff you have to look at it from a marketing standpoint. Most AVERAGE users aren't going to know what the hell a multithreaded finder means but they will notice how it looks. As much attention as these events get from the press they have to show the features that appeal to their biggest marketshare.

What about when he went into detail about freakin' pipelines in the G4 vs the P4 at the time or whatever. I know what pipelines are but how many AVERAGE users also do? Not only that, but this is a developer's conference, and they pay ALOT of money to go there - so Steve, if not in the Keynote, but at least during their visit should tell these things - developers should know these things!

Also, whoever made the comment about timeout when connecting to a non-existent network I think is spot on there, the whole machine practically stops and takes a crap for a minute while Tiger decides its trying to connect to something that isn't even there...

I wonder what other unspoken of little goodies are going to be in Leopard...
 

DanB91

macrumors 6502
Jun 12, 2007
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not disappointed at all

am i the only one here who actually likes the new features and the "fluff" of 10.5? Sure, 64 bit apps and apps that support multi core are important, but i do like iChat theater, quick look, the new finder, and the 3d dock. Stacks seem awesome, b/c my desktop is cluttered and i want a one click solution to this, especially with downloads. I only have an iBook G4 and wont be able unfortunately to enjoy the luxury of 64-bit apps and multi-core apps (even though i will eventually get an intel mac soon enough). I think this WWDC was far from disappointing (even though the stock went down but that's beside the point), especially w/ the announcement that games are coming back to the mac. i like time machine a lot and will probably be using it. i dont know, maybe im the only one here with this opinion.

:apple: forever
 

ElderscrollsV

macrumors member
Mar 25, 2007
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I'll pay $129 for no more beach ball in the Finder all by itself!! Hopefully it goes away in other applications like Safari too. It seams like Tiger doesn't time out quick enough on a bad network connection across the board.

To all the people that are saying stuff like this....WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? Do you have power PC machines? Because I have a Blackbook 2.0 CD 2GB 80Gb and I have never beachballed in the finder...
 

Mgkwho

macrumors 6502a
Mar 2, 2005
594
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Yeah I've never ever beachballed in finder.

But is everyone saying the beachball is gone- period?

That would be clutch.

-=|Mgkwho
 

howard

macrumors 68020
Nov 18, 2002
2,017
4
sweet! now I know that all 4 cores in my mac pro aren't going to waste when I'm browsing through fonts in the font utility!!!!!
 

MrSmith

macrumors 68040
Nov 27, 2003
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I have a hotchpotch of machines and really like the sound of Back To My Mac. The slowest/oldest machine is my iBook G4. Anyone have an opinion whether that's going to work better or worse under Leopard?

EDIT: Looks like my 1.42 GHz iBook G4 should run it OK. According to this, anyway.


All I want for my $129 is for my entire machine, all applications, to NOT freakin' completely lock up for several minutes when the Finder suddenly can't find a previously-mounted network volume. Is that too much to ask?
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DMann

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Jan 13, 2002
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Not at all

am i the only one here who actually likes the new features and the "fluff" of 10.5? Sure, 64 bit apps and apps that support multi core are important, but i do like iChat theater, quick look, the new finder, and the 3d dock. Stacks seem awesome, b/c my desktop is cluttered and i want a one click solution to this, especially with downloads. I only have an iBook G4 and wont be able unfortunately to enjoy the luxury of 64-bit apps and multi-core apps (even though i will eventually get an intel mac soon enough). I think this WWDC was far from disappointing (even though the stock went down but that's beside the point), especially w/ the announcement that games are coming back to the mac. i like time machine a lot and will probably be using it. i dont know, maybe im the only one here with this opinion.
:apple: forever

It seems that consumers/shareholders who follow WWDC, now expect it to be a showcase like MacWorld, e.g. announcements of new machines and accessories. This is partially Apple's fault, as WWDC has been used as a platform to present the first G5, new displays, Intel migration announcement, etc. The hype about 'Top Secret Features' also raised expectations way off the charts. The fact remains, this is a developers' conference, not an Expo. It might have helped if Steve had spent more time touting the new Cocoa, multi-threaded, revamped Finder, Multi-Core optimization, Core Animation, further refinements made to Time Machine, etc. This would have drawn more attention to the greatness of Leopard's 'under the hood' capabilities, and assured everyone that the best is yet to come. Overall, the Keynote was far from disappointing in light of the awesome and massive improvements made to OS X.
 

JFreak

macrumors 68040
Jul 11, 2003
3,149
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Tampere, Finland
Don't forget Font Book. They updated that too!

That's going to be one of the *big* improvements. I mean, there's nothing wrong with the Tiger Font Book if you only have the stock set of fonts, but add +100 fonts in there and you are going to cry. If the new one is fast with (several) hundred fonts installed, it's going to be joyful for many designers!
 

ajhill

macrumors 6502
May 2, 2007
268
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Wow, they get it!

Hello, an OS that is actually faster than the previous generation. Wow, what a concept. It seemed for years that Microsoft was in bed with Intel to design bigger and more bloated software so that we would have to upgrade to newer, faster chips.

Just where does Steve Jobs get off actually giving (or selling) his users a more efficient code set that actually runs faster? Who does he think he is? ;)

Thanks, Steve. Leopard looks great. Another major step forward.

And with cover flow making it into the OS, just how far could a multitouch ultra portable be???
 

iPoodOverZune

macrumors regular
Jan 13, 2007
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PB G4 - my good old buddy!

.... Too bad I have an old G4 laptop. :(

I can totally relate to that! :(
And I can't buy a new one for at least one more year until I graduate. Hopefully, Leopard will run decently on PB G4 2003 and not simply crawl. Although, I am planning to put a Seagate 7200 rpm harddrive, that may give some speed bump from stock cheapo 4200 rpm hitachi drive. Don't know if I can put a new graphic card or CPU. Unfortunately, one of my RAM module (lower) has gone kaput for quite long and I am relying only on 1GB module I have in another one. And PB does not take 2GB RAM modules. Too bad again. Does anyone know how I can bump up the speed of PB G$ 1.25 GHz, late 2003 model with 1GB RAM? I will appreciate your advice in advance. :)
 

JFreak

macrumors 68040
Jul 11, 2003
3,149
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Tampere, Finland
Hopefully, Leopard will run decently on PB G4 2003 and not simply crawl. Although, I am planning to put a Seagate 7200 rpm harddrive, that may give some speed bump from stock cheapo 4200 rpm hitachi drive.

Do it as soon as you can! It's going to be a *huge* performance boost, bigger than you can imagine. I have been using 7200rpm drives in my laptops since Hitachi introduced the 7k60 in July-2003 and wherever I have used my laptops everyone have been blown away. The bigger 160GB drive will be even faster due to higher data density.

Hard drive is the biggest bottleneck on a laptop. Improving the bottleneck pays off very well — in performance and resale value ;)
 

dkoralek

macrumors 6502
Sep 12, 2006
268
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Microsoft's Mac Business Unit is a bunch of Mac people, so there's a good chance it will happen.

At this point, I'm more interested in getting hold of a UB version of Office (and dreading the fact that Office 2008 will be buggy no doubt) for a start. It amazes me how slow the combination of Word and Endnote can be on my Mac Pro (2.66/4Gig RAM) inserting references into an 80 page document (although much better than trying to do the same on my iBook with 512 meg; I tried to work on this on a trip and gave up).

cheers.
 

macklos

macrumors member
Sep 4, 2006
80
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St. Paul, MN
Yeah I've never ever beachballed in finder.

But is everyone saying the beachball is gone- period?

That would be clutch.

-=|Mgkwho

Yes the beachball is gone...replaced by twinkling stars spinning around the solar system. Another new feature thanks to core animation! :D
 

starnox

macrumors 6502
Apr 15, 2005
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Font Book NEEDED it, especially when you are dealing with thousands of fonts.... the amount of times that has gone sluggish on me.
 

ajhill

macrumors 6502
May 2, 2007
268
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No more beachball

Yeah I've never ever beachballed in finder.

But is everyone saying the beachball is gone- period?

That would be clutch.

-=|Mgkwho

Yes, it should be gone. As long as you have enough ram. You wouldn't believe the size of some of the Photoshop files that get created by people at work. Layer upon layer at about 4x the resolution they really need.

The hard drive manufacturers are going to really make out...
 

ajhill

macrumors 6502
May 2, 2007
268
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Speed, Baby!

Glad to see the initial reports are coming back with a lot of positive feedback about the snappy experience and all around general speed improvements. That isn't something I had heard about early adopter of Vista. It was more like, damn I need a faster CPU, damn I need a new graphics card. Damn I can't find the drivers for... Well, you get the point. Dell was so fed up with it that they are offering systems with XP on them. Even though the systems are configured with Vista, then have XP put on them, so Microsoft can officially ring the register another Vista sale, even though the machine leaves the factory with XP.

Real world numbers are awful for Vista. And you knew it, of course, on the launch. Anyone remember all the hype surrounding Windows 95? Where was all the around the clock hype around Vista. Actually it was quite the yawner. "Welcome to the Social", "The Wow starts now" they actually pay people to come up with that crap...

Apple ][ Forever!
 

codo

macrumors 6502
May 17, 2006
475
3
England, United Kingdom
I'm happy to hear about Mail performance increases. I get tons of mail everyday, and I have to say, It can become unresponsive sometimes when checking and receiving mail, or scrolling through a huge list.

I haven't really followed WWDC this year, too busy, but from what I gather, it's hardly been the most enthralling affair. Had a "Quick Look" at the Leopard page, and the Finder and the new Desktop are the only upgrade worthy features in my opinion. (Well in addition to this Multicore thing!)

I'm still not gagging for Leopard though. I should be. I want to be. But I'm not.
 

motulist

macrumors 601
Dec 2, 2003
4,234
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Hello, an OS that is actually faster than the previous generation. Wow, what a concept.

That's the way every Mac OS X upgrade has worked since it came out. Each new release not only adds new features, it also runs even faster than the previous version! :D
 
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