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apple is unlikely to make one; but if the use case becomes proven i can see apple making an offer to buy oura outright.

If they turn the offer? then yeah i can imagine apple making one and then limiting compatability with third party ones. It's the apple way.
 
Change "Its hard to do" to "Its hard to deliver real value"

The watch is more comprehensive, and the ring is a basic tracker. It is like comparing an AppleOne Subscription to Dropbox. Some just want file storage, and some just want basic tracking. Most want more...
 
I'm no Apple fanboy but pleaaaaaase get outta here. They just made a beast of a computer the size of an apple tv. In a couple of years you won't even see the mini.
 
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I am pretty confident Apple had no interest in this, but now I feel like shots have been fired.
 
Even though I really like these smart rings, my biggest complaint is that you’re stuck with whatever size you get. I’ve been using my Oura ring since June, but I’ve also lost about 25 pounds since then. And as you can imagine, my fingers are getting slightly narrower and the ring is loose at times.
 
I ordered the Oura Ring 4 a few days ago. My justification was that although I’ve had Apple Watches for years and will continue to do so on most days, I want to be able to wear my mechanical watches without feeling a “lack of metrics”guilt! Mechanical watch servicing is more expensive than car servicing - such a waste when you never wear them. I can’t forgive Oura for having a monthly subscription though.
 
Does it sync all the same data to your Health app that the AWU2 did? I hate wearing my AW to bed, taking it off to charge it every morning and remembering to put it back on before leaving the house. If I could just sleep with the ring I think it would be much easier. Although I hate jewelry, so it might just be a nighttime use case and I take the ring off in the morning
Yes it does. There's also a range of Oura complications that you can add to your watch face.
 
Smart ring is interesting. I kinda agree with Apple that it's a little redundant of a product if you already have an Apple Watch. If you already have something on your wrist that does all that tracking and much more, why have a ring too? I'm a runner too. So I like that my watch actually tracks my runs (GPS) without my phone. Rings don't do that. Also does a ring play music without your phone too? No. That's why I went from a simple Fitbit band that did all that to the Apple Watch. Apple Watch has it all without needing another device on my hand/wrist. I even waited for the Apple Watch to have GPS until I got one.
There's a lot of overlap, yeah. Where it wins is that you don't have to wear a watch in bed...which I've done for years, until this week.
 
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It's hard to make a good watch and harder to make a good ring. Oura, Ultrahuman, Samsung et al are all technically impressive and great products for people that don't find watches comfortable or just don't like the look.
 
Oura should count themselves lucky that Apple isn't working on a smart ring. If Apple released a smart ring, that'd be one ring to rule them all.
Would apply if Steve Jobs was alive. So far, I haven’t seen post-Steve Apple dominating a brand new product category. Vision Pro is a perfect example, and the fate of the Titan project (not the submersible) says it all.
 
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Oura CEO Tom Hale doesn't believe that Apple has plans to get into the smart ring market because an Apple-designed smart ring might undercut sales of the Apple Watch. [...] In an interview with CBNC, Hale said that Apple is likely "unconvinced about the value of having a ring and watch together," and he said that while the company is likely keeping a close eye on both Oura and Samsung, an Apple smart ring probably won't happen because "it's hard to do this product category right."
There are many possible reasons, some good and some not, that Apple might not be making a smart ring, but "it'll undercut sales of an existing product" and "it's hard" are the only two that I'd be incredibly skeptical of.

If "it's hard to get right" were a reason for Apple to not even try to build something, they wouldn't sell any products other than a monitor and some cables. They have quite literally spent billions of dollars--considerably more than the total startup revenue of Oura plus the gross revenue of the company through its entire history--trying to get hard products right, and in some cases failing then never releasing them. But they certainly tried when they thought there was a good reason to build it.

And if cannibalizing the sales of existing products was a reason for Apple not to build things, I could name a dozen products they never would have built, including the iPhone itself. Or, y'know, spending $3 billion to buy a headphone company that directly competed with a product they already made.

Besides, they wouldn't be spending a bunch of money to develop a $40 product that undercuts sales of a $400 product. They'd be building a ~$400 product that would potentially cannibalize sales of a ~$400 product that your competitor is presumably already taking sales away from with their version of the new product. And of course they'd also be selling some additional units and expanding into a new market space, which is exactly what you'd want to do to expand your ecosystem if you think it's important--it makes good business sense even if you did make your business decisions based on dumb reasons like protecting existing products.

If Tim Cook thinks that a smart ring is a product Apple should sell, they'd almost certainly already be selling one, and there's no question they'd at least have one in the labs even if it wasn't ready to ship (or never did). Whatever the reason is they don't, I seriously doubt it's because they're trying to protect Apple Watch sales, or they think it's too hard to get right.
 
Oura should count themselves lucky that Apple isn't working on a smart ring. If Apple released a smart ring, that'd be one ring to rule them all.
You are absolutely right.

But the people at Oura don't need to worry as Apple is not and will not move in that direction for many years for two very big and obvious reasons:

1. Apple has an "Oura ring" out, and it's called "Apple Watch". :D

I'm being a bit facetious, mkay. But if any of us just sat on a product doing Apple Watch sales figures then we'd be absolute fools to do anything else, tracking ring or other, similar product.

Apple Watch has been absolutely dominating the wearable/fitness tracker/smart watch market since launch. And due to the nature of iPhones and the rest of Apple's product ecosystem, it's near impossible for a competitor to do a fitness tracker that can measure up to Apple Watch.

2. The smart ring and "tiny, wearable, fitness jewelry/tracker without a display" market is not booming by any means. Not stagnant, or dying. But just slowly growing.

Apple doesn't need to make moves in this category until its booming or until it starts eating significant chunks of Apple Watch sales.

3. If we assume that an Apple Ring would to any extent mirror what an Oura ring or Apple Watch does then the Apple Ring would very obviously overlap with the actual Apple Watch in features and specs. This would allow the user to ditch Apple Watch for a cheaper, display-less Apple Ring and start eating at Apple Watch sales.

Apple vehemently strives to never have products overlap in features, specs and use cases. So this would be extremely unlikely to happen.
 
I'm no Apple fanboy but pleaaaaaase get outta here. They just made a beast of a computer the size of an apple tv. In a couple of years you won't even see the mini.
The Mac Nano. The size of an iPhone but without the screen (or with a screen). It could include cameras for FaceID and/or a sensor for TouchID. Plug it into a dock via a Thunderbolt 5 cable and you have a fast, capable computer.
 
Cannot consume content, cannot deliver notifications to redirect user back into content purchasing/consumptions devices and/or app interaction devices from which they take a 30% cut of the app revenues? Yeah, not going to be on the roadmap (not saying this is bad or good, just that it is the business model and explains the decisions).
I would still want the smartband to deliver all the same notifications, just in simpler form with a minimalistic LED, so that it’s just less bulky and intrusive than a watch. So the device I’m thinking of probably wouldn’t be much different in terms of revenue than an Apple Watch, in regards to the examples you gave, but it would likely be cheaper to buy. Probably the only way it (or the ring) would happen is if there is more money to be made selling it than to be lost from losing Watch sales.
 
Here's a game. Match the quote to the executive who spoke on behalf of their companies about the prospects for Apple's entry into the smartphone market with the iPhone:

A: There’s no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance. It’s a $500 subsidized item.
B: It’s kind of one more entrant into an already very busy space with lots of choice for consumers. But in terms of a sort of a sea-change, I would think that’s overstating it.
C: The development of mobile phones will be similar in PCs. Even with the Mac, Apple has attracted much attention at first, but they have still remained a niche manufacturer. That will be in mobile phones as well.
D:We’ve learned and struggled for a few years here figuring out how to make a decent phone. PC guys are not going to just figure this out. They’re not going to just walk in.

Anssi Vanjoki (Nokia chief strategist)
Jim Balsillie (RIM Co-CEO)
Ed Colligan (Palm CEO)
Steve Ballmer (Microsoft CEO)


Answers:

A: Steve Ballmer
B: Jim Balsillie
C: Anssi Vanjoki
D: Ed Colligan


That said, Apple doesn't bat 1.000, but to dismiss it would be foolish. And its executives have repeatedly said in earnings calls that they don't fear cannibalization, they embrace it.
 
If Apple put a ring to market they’d have more inclusive sizes and wouldn’t charge a subscription so I’m more eager to see what comes of it than anything Oura is doing at this point.
 
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Because "it's hard to do"?

I guess we're all back in the 5th grade again.

My dad has one. When he showed it to me I was amazed at how incredibly cheap it felt, despite all its features.

Also, requiring to wear it on your index finger is a no from me.
 
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