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Avowed is an interesting case - Microsoft was supposedly satisfied with sales, but it is all cloudy due to GamePass. So not sure how well it actually did in terms of profitability, as Obsidian tends to run lean.
Seems like most people are considering it a flop

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barely over 100 people playing it right now, I don't beleive you can explain away these numbers by saying most people are on gamepass. No matter how you slice it, it doesn't look good.
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Did anyone pony up the 100USD to get "early access" to OW2?
I didn't, and in googling it, there's one YTer who states the sale figures are "flat lining" Take that for what's worth.

Steamdb is reporting 4k of players with a max of 10k. Is that good? How does that compare to other pre-releases? I have no idea. 10,000 players equates to 1,000,000 million dollars - that seems rather low even for preorders.
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I didn't, and in googling it, there's one YTer who states the sale figures are "flat lining" Take that for what's worth.

Steamdb is reporting 4k of players with a max of 10k. Is that good? How does that compare to other pre-releases? I have no idea. 10,000 players equates to 1,000,000 million dollars - that seems rather low even for preorders.
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It doesn't help that the "base" game is 80 bucks. I wonder how much GP is depressing (pre) sales.
 
It doesn't help that the "base" game is 80 bucks. I wonder how much GP is depressing (pre) sales.
yeah, as much as I want to play the game, I can't justify spending the money. I was probably willing to do so a while back but now that its time to put my money where my mouth is, I'm less likely to do just that
 
yeah, as much as I want to play the game, I can't justify spending the money. I was probably willing to do so a while back but now that its time to put my money where my mouth is, I'm less likely to do just that
yeah def, going to try gamepass version first to see how things go.
 
Seems like most people are considering it a flop

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barely over 100 people playing it right now, I don't beleive you can explain away these numbers by saying most people are on gamepass. No matter how you slice it, it doesn't look good.
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Agreed. A rare (as far as I know) miss by Obsidian.
 
Did anyone pony up the 100USD to get "early access" to OW2?
I did - I saw good reports of Steam Deck performance, and since the first game was solid (certainly better than RPGs from Bethesda or Bioware or Blizzard in the last decade) and this was reportedly bigger and deeper, I knew I'd want to play the DLC for this - because again for the original it was well written and added a lot.

To be clear - unlike Avowed, which was truly JUST a '$4/day early play tax', Outer Worlds 2 gets you TWO expansions and some extra items as well as early play. And given that each expansion for Outer Worlds was ~10 hours, that is a pretty solid 'Premium'.

I would have been happier if it was $90, as that would have been $10 per DLC rather than $15, but oh well I also got some pre-order bonus items that I didn't care about.

That said - I am not playing it early as I am about to hit the final dungeon of Legend of Heroes: Trails Through Daybreak.
It doesn't help that the "base" game is 80 bucks. I wonder how much GP is depressing (pre) sales.
But the base game is NOT $80 - it is $70, like (sadly) pretty much everything else new these days. And yes, I STILL think $70 is too high!

Obsidian is one of very few game developers I will pay full price for at this point (Larian, Owlcat ... um, that's it).

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There is a reason people warn against depending on AI. It completely lacks context, is often at least somewhat inaccurate (like here) and gives equal weight to the myriad of posts and comments made at the behest of an apartheid gem mining nepo baby space Karen because 'it has pronouns'. Certain Microsoft game studios in particular Obsidian have been targeted for hate-fueled review bombs for some reason. Many of those came from people who played less than 1 hour, meaning that they bought the game, review bombed, then refunded.

Avowed carries a solid 80% review score, about equal to loads of other RPGs. Negative reception is easily dismissed - not talking about legitimate criticisms around bestiary variety, balance, or other things. Most people I have talked with feel like 8/10 is pretty fair, some see it higher and others lower. No real gamer I see calls it 100% nor an abject failure.

Also - using ONLY Steam info to 'prove' the failure of a game that EVERYONE KNOWS was predominantly a Game Pass game is like using PSP sales of Final Fantasy 7 to gauge success or failure. Avowed was PUSHED on Game Pass HARD. It is not surprising that it underperformed on Steam, it was a $70 Steam release of a game people were playing on their $15 - 20 Game Pass.
 
I was looking forward to The Outer Worlds 2, and the first mission/intro was fun. But once I got planetside it got boring quick, the game looks gorgeous but the story was an utter bore and cast not memorable. I never played the first one, but I loved New Vegas so I figured I'd try it. Luckily I was within 2 hours and able to get a refund via Steam.
 
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I never played the first one
The first one had a good storyline. Its a bummer that you didn't enjoy it.

Steam reviews are "Very Positive" so people are enjoying it - not minimize your experience.
 
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The first one had a good storyline. Its a bummer that you didn't enjoy it.

Steam reviews are "Very Positive" so people are enjoying it - not minimize your experience.
I mean at least I gave it a try without dismissing it straight out, overall they're like books if I can't get into it then I'll just drop it. Thank God for Steam's return policy though, they probably hate me from all of the returns. Want to like it but I'm just more into retro or remakes than modern games, like I thought I wouldn't like Silksong but ended up loving it. And I played through Final Fantasy Tactics remake with no issue.
 
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I mean at least I gave it a try without dismissing it straight out
If you started, went through opening cutscenes, and character creation ... and then were still able to return the game, that means you did everything from first launch through refund in under two hours, so ... now way you remotely gave it a reasonable chance.

But whatever, your choice - just don't go around pretending you actually played the game. You read the intro (using the book analogy) and didn't like the vibes so quick returned.
 
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If you started, went through opening cutscenes, and character creation ... and then were still able to return the game, that means you did everything from first launch through refund in under two hours, so ... now way you remotely gave it a reasonable chance.

But whatever, your choice - just don't go around pretending you actually played the game. You read the intro (using the book analogy) and didn't like the vibes so quick returned.
I gave it the best shot I could in the span of the allotted time that Steam gave me because I don't want to be stuck paying $70 for something I obviously did not like.
 
I don't want to be stuck paying $70 for something I obviously did not like.
Publishers are willing to push the prices up higher and higher - we consumers should be willing to pull the trigger on a refund and not dilly dally during the small return window.
 
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Publishers are willing to push the prices up higher and higher - we consumers should be willing to pull the trigger on a refund and not dilly dally during the small return window.
Totally agree... my only concern is having people who 'bounced off' a game go around pretending they have actual knowledge to make an informed review while only experiencing ~1-2%.

Looking back I think of the games Beyond Divinity and Gothic 2. For Beyond Divinity I was not a fan of the basic concept of the Divine being chained up to the demon, and quit the game pretty quickly. I returned and played through later but it remains my last favorite Larian game. Gothic 2 I bounced off due to the controls and incredible difficulty spike wandering off the path. Returned a month later and it is an all-time fave.

Back then we also had something called personal accountability - you bought it and unless it is fundamentally broken, you own it. These days there is LITERALLY NOTHING that you can experience in that fast ~1.5 hours experience that you couldn't see in a YouTube 'getting started' 20 minute video - and there are DOZENS.

As consumers we should have some responsibility to be informed. And I believe that all refunds based on non-defective items should come with a 'restocking fee' and of course no reviews allowed. Because we KNOW that Space Karen has weaponized a certain type of minion against Obsidian for daring to believe that people are all valid.
 
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Publishers are willing to push the prices up higher and higher - we consumers should be willing to pull the trigger on a refund and not dilly dally during the small return window.
Agreed, some people appear to be butthurt I have my an opinion on something that I refunded though. Last I recall this thread is a 'what are you playing' and not 'give a indept review on a game.' I am sorry if I am not willing to keep chugging on past the point of refund when I am simply not enjoying something.
 
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Agreed, some people appear to be butthurt I have my an opinion on something that I refunded though. Last I recall this thread is a 'what are you playing' and not 'give a indept review on a game.' I am sorry if I am not willing to keep chugging on past the point of refund when I am simply not enjoying something.

Have whatever opinion you want - I was just checking if you were part of the review-bombing hate group led by Cheeto man and Space Karen who have been targeting Obsidian. Your initial words sound like a copypasta of those reviews so it was a yellow flag.

In this capitalist hellscape I will never stand against people placing themselves before corporations ... but we have absolutely seen that there ARE things worse than capitalism. And I will relentlessly go at those who do such things.
 
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Will you confirm that you have NOT placed a review on Steam or wherever you 'bought' the game?
Why would I go out of my way to place a review on something I refunded? You sound really unhinged right now, why can't you accept that some people did not like your favorite game?
 
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Why would I go out of my way to place a review on something I refunded?

Because as I said from the start - YOUR WORDS sounded exactly like those used by US hate groups in review bombing Avowed. Pretty simple.

But I'm done now.

You don't like the game so no need for you to be here anymore, and when I am playing the game I will chime in with my opinions.
 
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Why would I go out of my way to place a review on something I refunded?
You definitely should review it, especially because you returned it. You didn't like it and your opinion matters especially because you didn't like it, we shouldn't have just a one sided set of reviews
 
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You definitely should review it, especially because you returned it. You didn't like it and your opinion matters especially because you didn't like it, we shouldn't have just a one sided set of reviews
That's true, but then again I also don't wanted to be labeled...

'Because as I said from the start - YOUR WORDS sounded exactly like those used by US hate groups in review bombing Avowed. Pretty simple.'

Some sort of racist because I didn't like a game.
 
The problem is paying $70+ for a game.

Wait a year or less and buy it when it goes on sale.
I don't want to wait a year, but I also don't want to pay 70 dollars. I'll wait and see if things get reduced next month, though I doubt it.

If the game is as short as the first, I definitely don't want to pay that price. It was a good game but very short - the DLCs helped a lot but day 1 purchase, it was short. Not worth 70 bucks if its that length
 
At this point, I don't get to play games much, I have amassed a number of titles that were on sale in Steam or GoG.

So my game purchasing has been greatly reduced. The last purchases were BG3, The Outer Worlds and Underrail (and an expansion). Both BG3 and TOW provided a ton of fun in that I could try different builds and especially with BG3 the different equipment with differing stat mods was really interesting. And annoying if I didn't get certain things early.

Given the competence of the studios and the rich open world worlds they create I won't begrudge the higher price.
 
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