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My BP monitor will occasionally falsely flag an irregular heartbeat, but subsequent checks soon thereafter show everything is okay. These devices are never going to be as accurate as having a qualified technician administer an EKG and a qualified doctor interpret it. Since this program is fairly new and the tests are basically bet testing the Watch and the software, I think 0.5% false positives is acceptable. They are beta testing the system to work out the bugs after all, so expect lots of improvement over time.

BTW, I would much rather have an occasional false positive alert for atrial fibrillation that I can have checked out by a doctor rather than have no alerts to actual atrial fibrillation and wind up in a serious medical situation, or dead. And let's be honest, I've had doctors get excited about false test results they conduct just to have them back track later after they perform more tests. Stuff happens...
 
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It’s like you missed entirely the point that doctors are the third leading cause of death in the US. That isn’t to say one should never go to the doctor. But to say one should always go ignores the restated fact.
What's the statistic for those who ignore warnings to go the doctor and ended up dead or in the hospital because of this complacency. Your point about doctors being the third leading cause of death ignores the entire point of going to get a medical opinion should you believe you have a health issue. You want to argue against that...go right ahead.
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Yeah true. It basically says even if the Apple Watch is super accurate, it would be a questionable success.
The study itself from what I understand Shows mediocre accuracy.
In any way the Apple Watch is clearly intended to be used as a medical device and therefore should be held to higher Standards than some gadget..
The FDA gave it a de novo classification clearance. Are you going to argue against the FDA?
 
Key findings....very interesting as it shows the AW EKG can have a positive impact on health by predicting potential medical events.

  • Overall, only 0.5 percent of participants received irregular pulse notifications, an important finding given concerns about potential over-notification.
  • Comparisons between irregular pulse-detection on Apple Watch and simultaneous electrocardiography patch recordings showed the pulse detection algorithm (indicating a positive tachogram reading) has a 71 percent positive predictive value. Eighty-four percent of the time, participants who received irregular pulse notifications were found to be in atrial fibrillation at the time of the notification.
  • One-third (34 percent) of the participants who received irregular pulse notifications and followed up by using an ECG patch over a week later were found to have atrial fibrillation. Since atrial fibrillation is an intermittent condition, it’s not surprising for it to go undetected in subsequent ECG patch monitoring.
  • Fifty-seven percent of those who received irregular pulse notifications sought medical attention.

This heart study has nothing to do with the EKG, S4 watches are not part of the study. In principle the same benefits can be applied to other non-EKG devices.
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No medical screening test is 100% accurate. Early pregnancy tests are about 99% accurate. Even mammogram screening for breast cancer is only 87% accurate https://ww5.komen.org/BreastCancer/AccuracyofMammograms.html

Most people in the medical community agree it is better to have a false positive than a false negative because a false negative would discourage someone from seeking medical treatment and could ultimately lead to worse effects than someone seeking medical treatment for a condition they do not have.

For such a new, low cost, and non-intrusive device, I think the results of this study are actually pretty amazing.

Good points but shouldn't we also consider the wider context of people's health and technology? For example, how cheap and widely available is a scale (or mirror)? How much evidence is there that being overweight affects your health? How many people are still overweight?

Because Apple insists on requiring an iPhone to use an Apple Watch the total cost of ownership is in the region of $1000 per patent. Does that represent the best use of money? Of course then you consider this is in the US where medical bills are already astronomical, and the iPhone and Watch have other uses too...
 
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The EKG hardware provides data for the software to analyze.

"For the study, each participant was required to have an Apple Watch (series 1, 2 or 3) and an iPhone. The most recent Apple Watch, which features a built-in ECG, wasn’t part of the study, as it was released after the study’s launch."
 
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"For the study, each participant was required to have an Apple Watch (series 1, 2 or 3) and an iPhone. The most recent Apple Watch, which features a built-in ECG, wasn’t part of the study, as it was released after the study’s launch."
Thank you. I read so many articles I conflated the premises and results. However in the vein of the study the cat is out of the bag, Apple released an interesting device to capture heart rhythms embedded into an AW and this type of health information being delivered to the consumer will only increase.

Apple has a lead and I'm sure other wearables' manufacturers are working on other initiatives.
 
And yet thousands of people who follow your mantra die prematurely every year.

RTA or something else?;)

That does sound good advice, with just enough preventive care. There is no magic formula that will keep anyone living forever or keep them from premature death.

Like walking into the path of a lorry because the person was reviewing their ECG results on a smartphone en route to the gym!:rolleyes:
 
Keep in mind that this is a study utilizing AW and still in its early stage. The AW is not listed on the FDA's website as an approved medical device, however, it is the medical app used in AW.

https://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm620246.htm

It is up to each individual to decide whether having an AW will be a good option based on their health condition and family history. However, a consultation with a cardiologist about utilizing an AW may help to make a better informed decision of whether to purchase one or not.
 


Study results showed 0.5 percent of participants - approximately 2,095 people - received an irregular heart rhythm notification. Apple says "many participants sought medical advice following their irregular rhythm notification."

Article Link: Over 2,000 Participants Received Irregular Heart Rhythm Notification in Apple Watch Study


And what was the results of those notifications? Were they really issues that needed to be looked at by a doctor? Kind of PR stunt type wording there.
 
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So what did this lead to? 0.5% got the notification and then what? Did they all really have irregular heart rhythm or were there false positives?
I would be more sceptical if MOST of the participants got notices. Considering it was a small percentage it seems the watch wasn't giving out false positives. I myself have the series 4 and I have A-Fib (the reason I got the 4). This watch, along with my blood pressure monitor (Qardio) have helped me detect when I've slipped back into A-Fib. I've had 3 cardio versions done in the past 5 months and that's because the watch and blood pressure monitor told me my heart wasn't in rhythm. Each time, I went to the hospital to determine if it was true and each time the readings were correct. I live outside the US so the ECG function is not available to me yet, but I do use the Heart Rate app and the Qardio app.
 
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from what I can gather, there's no effective treatment for Atrial Fibrillation. So what's the point in wearing a detector for it?
 
Keep in mind that this study occurred before the Series 4 watch came out, so the fact that 34% of the people that got an irregular heart notification actually had Afib is pretty impressive. I imagine the results would be more accurate with the ECG on the Series 4.
 
from what I can gather, there's no effective treatment for Atrial Fibrillation. So what's the point in wearing a detector for it?

WHaaaaaaTTT?:mad:

Where did you "gather" this little info - definitely not at medical school, right?:rolleyes:
 
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Is it becoming the new sleep study? Doctors now want everyone on oxygen masks when they sleep because we all seem to stop breathing. What's with that?
 
This is a useful thing. It's of use to people as they get older, of course. They will, if they have a watch that will tell them that their hreart is irregular. You call your doctor. He asks you in for an appointment. You get a more rigorous examination, and if it merits, they might slap a monitor on you that's more accurate than the watch. It's not possible-- or necessary-- to make a thing you wear all the time to the standards of a clinical heart monitor system. Nor with the education of a doctor. It's a notice. You do with it as you should.

When the beats get too irregular too often, it's bad. You may need a pacemaker or an operation. But the watch is just FYI.
 
So what did this lead to? 0.5% got the notification and then what? Did they all really have irregular heart rhythm or were there false positives?

Found more info

https://www.wsj.com/articles/apple-watch-has-mixed-results-in-big-heart-study-11552757785

The study ended in August 2018. In all, only about 2,160 people, or 0.5% of study participants, received notifications of irregular heart rhythms. The rate was higher in people 65 and older—3.2%, verus 0.16% in people ages 22 to 39.

Of those notified by the watch, only about 450 people received and returned the wearable ECG patches to the researchers. Some didn’t get patches because they didn’t call the study doctor, or they revealed they had previously been diagnosed with atrial fibrillation, which disqualified them from the study, said Marco Perez, an associate professor of cardiovascular medicine at Stanford and one of the study leaders, in an interview.

Researchers found that the ECG patches confirmed atrial fibrillation in only 34% of the 450 people who returned patches. The remaining two-thirds had no confirmed atrial fibrillation during the time they wore the patches—raising questions about the watch’s accuracy.

Renato Lopes, professor of at Duke University School of Medicine, said the watch has potential to detect some atrial-fibrillation cases “you would not get otherwise.” But in a panel discussion after results were presented, he said the 34% confirmation rate was “not very high.”

Dr. Perez of Stanford said episodes of atrial fibrillation can be intermittent, which could help explain why a big proportion of ECG patch wearers had no confirmed atrial fibrillation during the week they wore it.

Doctors at the ACC meeting expressed concern that widespread use of the watch would lead people to undergo unnecessary tests and treatment, either because of false alarms or because they have atrial fibrillation that carries a lower risk of complications. Patients with lower-risk cases can be monitored instead of immediately undergoing treatment with blood thinners, doctors say.

“This also has the possibility to lead a lot of patients potentially to being treated unnecessarily or prematurely, or flooding doctors’ offices and cardiologists’ offices with a lot of young people,” Jeanne Poole, professor at the University of Washington in Seattle, said during the panel discussion after the results were presented

Measured another way, Dr. Perez said the likelihood that the watch detected atrial fibrillation as confirmed by the ECG patch was 84%, but this analysis was conducted in a smaller group, among 86 participants who received positive watch notifications of irregular heartbeats.

The Stanford researchers acknowledged the study’s limitations—it lacked a control arm and didn’t track patient outcomes such as stroke. And statistically, it didn’t meet researchers’ goals for confidence in some of the key measures. But they said it is a start in helping to assess the usefulness of wearable technologies.

“We’ve made some important measurements that are then going to be able to be used by clinicians to help guide what they want to do with the patient in front of them who has been notified,” said Dr. Perez.

Sumbul Desai, a Stanford professor and vice president of health at Apple, said the watch’s heartbeat tracker isn’t intended to be a diagnostic or screening tool. “I view the Apple Heart Study as just a first step,” she said in a panel discussion. She said Apple planned further research to better understand the medical value of the watch, including a new study in partnership with Johnson & Johnson announced in January.
 
So what did this lead to? 0.5% got the notification and then what? Did they all really have irregular heart rhythm or were there false positives?
In my case, the fact I had an Apple Watch saved my life. I was asked if I wanted to join the study. Why not I did not think twice about it, I gave my permission and that was it.

One morning I walked my dog and I felt anxious and a bit out of breath. I decided to rest, read a book. A while later I got a message that stated something like this “your pulse rate has been 41 for the past 2 hours, you may want to check with your doctor in case there might be a problem”. It was Sunday, I figured I would call her the next day. Nevertheless, I called the weekend service and the nurse answered. I told her my watch told me to check with my doctor. Who? I read the message to her, she asked a couple of questions, asked if I was alone.
She told me to stay where I was and she would send someone to help me. A few minutes later two fire trucks and an ambulance were at my door.

The emergency room's question was again, what, who? In a few minutes 4 doctors and a cardiologist asked me again what made me call. They explained that the top of my heart had stopped connecting with the bottom part.
After waiting for a long time in the emergency room I wrote to Tim Cook to thank him. A couple of hours later I received his reply.

Early in the morning I had an operation and they implanted a cardio messenger to alert them of any complications.

So, yes I’ll be first in line when the new Apple Watch comes out.
 
If the heart monitors on the watches are accurate, they're a real boon to monitoring heart issues. Back in the day, one had to strap on a holter monitor which recorded an EKG via electrodes placed upon your chest. You would wear this thing for 24 hours or so, and if you experienced an issue in the middle of the night or whatever, you could hit a switch which would transmit the relevant data to your doctor. Some 15 years ago I ended up in surgery for a catheter ablation as a result of that gadget. The watch is a much less intrusive and more convenient way to keep track of heart health, albeit with less detail. Kudos to Apple for this.
 
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