100% Agreed. I know of a couple of business owners that want systems like this(Apple product or not). The only problem is cost of upgrading the POS systems(licensing costs) to support it.
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Overview of Apple's New iPod Touch-Based EasyPay Retail Store Checkout System
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100% Agreed. I know of a couple of business owners that want systems like this(Apple product or not). The only problem is cost of upgrading the POS systems(licensing costs) to support it.
Yeah, Canada is going chip-and-PIN as well.
Our banking/debit cards have been stripe-and-PIN since they first came out, but are now changing to chip-and-PIN. Credit cards are changing from stripe-and-signature to chip-and-PIN.
Last time I bought something on my credit card at the Apple store, the staffer was able to swipe the card throiugh the portable terminal while standing in the middle of the store. Last time I used my debit card with its PIN though, I had to go to the desk at the siide of the store. I think the debit card was still swiped at that time.
Our banking/debit cards have been stripe-and-PIN since they first came out, but are now changing to chip-and-PIN. Credit cards are changing from stripe-and-signature to chip-and-PIN.
Last time I bought something on my credit card at the Apple store, the staffer was able to swipe the card throiugh the portable terminal while standing in the middle of the store. Last time I used my debit card with its PIN though, I had to go to the desk at the siide of the store. I think the debit card was still swiped at that time.
I always pay in cash. Where's the cash drawer on that thing?
All the retailers here at MR please raise your hands...
<crickets chirping>
<owls hooting>
<tumbleweeds blowing>
What's an iPod?
Seriously, some of you macheads would have an orgasm over Steve Jobs' toaster if a picture were to surface.
I'm kind of surprised by all these comments about 'omg, you can run a business without Windows?!21212eleventy!!' I mean... you all do realize there's been POS and BOH software running these stores and available to other merchants for a while now, right? The only thing windows was the personal handheld checkout - the rest of the business was being run on macs.
Anyway, it doesn't look all that ugly to me. Just like any battery pack on the market, more or less.
Edit: To the poster above me. Seriously? Just because you don't find it interesting doesn't mean others don't. Believe it or not, some businesses are quite interested in a device like this. Have you ever used those POS EasyPay devices? An alternative is a freakin' Godsend for any company using them. And with regards to cash, I think you missed the part where it said the new ipod based easy pays would be able to accept cash now instead of having to go back to the typical register. In short: poorly trolled.
Anyway, it doesn't look all that ugly to me. Just like any battery pack on the market, more or less.
Edit: To the poster above me. Seriously? Just because you don't find it interesting doesn't mean others don't. Believe it or not, some businesses are quite interested in a device like this. Have you ever used those POS EasyPay devices? An alternative is a freakin' Godsend for any company using them. And with regards to cash, I think you missed the part where it said the new ipod based easy pays would be able to accept cash now instead of having to go back to the typical register. In short: poorly trolled.
Do you know for sure that the slider on the back of the touch can't read chips?
I mean, if Apple's currently using Chip and PIN in the UK, I can't imagine that they'd implement a new system that all of a sudden couldn't anymore.
I don't think the slider would reach the chip.
They already have a different handset to the US stores so I'm sure we'll get our own version of the new one.
I had no idea until last week, that Apple Stores were using MS-based software. Soooo ironic!
They also use(d) IBM mainframes and some of the AppleCare folks used Windows systems. I did have one person a few years ago tell me that they were using a Windows system because of the help system software that Apple used at the time...
I don't think the slider would reach the chip.
They already have a different handset to the US stores so I'm sure we'll get our own version of the new one.
Even Virgin gave up the chip readers that they had installed at all of their stores...
If this is so boring and un-interesting, why bother getting to page four just to write about how boring and un-interesting it is? Don't you have anything you enjoy doing to do instead?
Each to their own, leave people to discus thing of interest to them, and you go and do the same on some other forum where the topic interests you.
Haha! I thought I was the only one who did that... I usually write "Hi!" or something...
When can we get that?!?
That would be perfect for my trade shows. I have been making due with 'Ring It Up POS' and 'Credit Card Terminal', but that would be the ideal solution. MUST HAVE IT!!!
That would be perfect for my trade shows. I have been making due with 'Ring It Up POS' and 'Credit Card Terminal', but that would be the ideal solution. MUST HAVE IT!!!
Agreed. Why not machined aluminum?
I wonder if Apple will consider marketing this system to other businesses?
Yup. Interesting. It is really ugly though lol! They could have just sculpted the case a little more nicely, but oh well.
I was in an Apple store last weekend and I asked one of the workers when they were going to get rid of the Windows pay things and switch to iPod Touch terminals. He proceeded to act like I was on crack and asked me... "Which would you rather steel, that ugly Windows check out, or Apple's stuff?" I then told him that I had heard that they would be switching to iPod Touch because of all the problems. He then asked where I heard that, and stated that he hadn't heard anything. He was acting very insulting to me. I asked, don't you ever see the rumors? He said, "Oh... Rumors haha". I replied that I don't listen to all rumors, but I use my logic based on information and that I have over 90% accuracy in predicting what Apple does and that everyone I know talks to me before buying anything Apple because I can tell them when to buy and when new things will be out. He laughed again, and tested me, "Ok, what's next?" I told him these iPod Touch checkouts would come soon and there would be no new products until after the holidays.... (This was before Apple issued an official statement days after, that there would be no new products this year)! I asked him, "Didn't you know about these new iMacs and MacBooks and the Magic Mouse?" He said he didn't know a thing until they showed up in the store. I told him I knew about them all for a couple months before they were announced.
Point is, I WAS RIGHT, and that arrogant little prick at the Apple store has to have had me pop into his mind now with these Touch terminals coming out, and he can EAT IT!!!!
Works almost everywhere.
The Post Office won't take it - you better have debit function and know a pin number.
On the topic of signing for a CC transaction - Disneyworld has a $50 "limit" for what you have to sign for, that is the only place i have seen one that high.
Commerce laws
In some jurisdictions for some price ceilings but not in all cases. Also, many stores still do signature verification for defense against fraud. The Apple stores have the policy.
FYI, some of the biggest cases of credit card fraud comes about from those working at point of sale systems themselves taking as much credit card information they can and having a buddy run up the card numbers.
One case years ago involved a very well designed, very miniature, secondary card reader being placed right at the butt end of the card swipe slot. Some store employee hired on specifically to augment the card swipe machines to grab as many credit card numbers they could. Management was clueless and the merchant vendor assumed it was a factory augmentation for added features.
It went on for almost a year 'til they were able to cross reference all the stolen credit card numbers to a transaction history to one common store. Then someone very experienced in credit card fraud walked into the store as part of the investigation and discovered the augmented machines. I'm amazed that stuff like this doesn't get more press.
In some jurisdictions for some price ceilings but not in all cases. Also, many stores still do signature verification for defense against fraud. The Apple stores have the policy.
FYI, some of the biggest cases of credit card fraud comes about from those working at point of sale systems themselves taking as much credit card information they can and having a buddy run up the card numbers.
One case years ago involved a very well designed, very miniature, secondary card reader being placed right at the butt end of the card swipe slot. Some store employee hired on specifically to augment the card swipe machines to grab as many credit card numbers they could. Management was clueless and the merchant vendor assumed it was a factory augmentation for added features.
It went on for almost a year 'til they were able to cross reference all the stolen credit card numbers to a transaction history to one common store. Then someone very experienced in credit card fraud walked into the store as part of the investigation and discovered the augmented machines. I'm amazed that stuff like this doesn't get more press.
I actually disagree that it's ugly... I think it looks "rugged." These things are going to get tossed around, abused, and fingerprinted. I think they are perfect for an in-store unit. "Brushed aluminum??" Yea right! Maybe for a consumer model but think about the purpose guys. I think every Apple retail employee will be ecstatic to get away from those horrible MS units. This could really catch on in a lot of different retail situations, warehouse inventory, etc. Seems like a really good step into the business market to finally get MS products out of their own retail stores and show off the power of the iPod. Just IMHO.
Yup. Interesting. It is really ugly though lol! They could have just sculpted the case a little more nicely, but oh well.
I was in an Apple store last weekend and I asked one of the workers when they were going to get rid of the Windows pay things and switch to iPod Touch terminals. He proceeded to act like I was on crack and asked me... "Which would you rather steel, that ugly Windows check out, or Apple's stuff?" I then told him that I had heard that they would be switching to iPod Touch because of all the problems. He then asked where I heard that, and stated that he hadn't heard anything. He was acting very insulting to me. I asked, don't you ever see the rumors? He said, "Oh... Rumors haha". I replied that I don't listen to all rumors, but I use my logic based on information and that I have over 90% accuracy in predicting what Apple does and that everyone I know talks to me before buying anything Apple because I can tell them when to buy and when new things will be out. He laughed again, and tested me, "Ok, what's next?" I told him these iPod Touch checkouts would come soon and there would be no new products until after the holidays.... (This was before Apple issued an official statement days after, that there would be no new products this year)! I asked him, "Didn't you know about these new iMacs and MacBooks and the Magic Mouse?" He said he didn't know a thing until they showed up in the store. I told him I knew about them all for a couple months before they were announced.
Point is, I WAS RIGHT, and that arrogant little prick at the Apple store has to have had me pop into his mind now with these Touch terminals coming out, and he can EAT IT!!!!
Be curious to see what Apple store it was. When every I see some Apple jerks like that, I just show them a pick of myself and Woz from a few years ago. That nips them in the butt and shuts them down quick.
well that encryption might be a patented item and it was too costly at this point to deal with the license. or they are working on it but it's not finalized.
also, not having the actual pin with the card number could be for security. it sounds like what will be sent back is basically an approval code. so the two bits of info stay separate and someone can't read a register journal and swipe the info
When thieves set up card swipers on top of ATM's or gas station swipers, they also install cameras to record the victims entering their PIN number. If those thieves are able to record and unlock all of the information from a card, I would imagine they would be able to decrypt the PIN information as well (by your reasoning). Unless the credit card has an encrypted PIN, but an unencrypted card number, name and exp. date as part of its data, I think the PIN number info and such is handled on the credit center side, and not directly with the swiper device.
I'm thinking something to the effect of, card info gets sent, PIN gets sent, then it gets authorized through the credit center. As opposed to the PIN being a part of the card data and being sent at the same time.
But I could be wrong. This is just all going by the assumption that the thieves who steal CC data in such a way are smart enough to pull any of the data directly off of the card. In which case if the PIN was a part of it, the cameras wouldn't be needed. (But maybe that's just easier in the long run, but it seems to add more risk to the entire process too).
Edit: Or maybe I just misread your post and your just speaking of the device having to send that encrypted PIN data in the first place. I'll still leave this post up =\
I know a bunch of people who would buy this POS system for their business.
I wonder if/ when they will sell the system.
I wonder if/ when they will sell the system.
it used to be easier than that.
back in the day when I had my first retail job the register printed the whole credit card number on our journal. and we had a loyalty program that used your phone number as an idea.
we had a kid (seriously he was 17) that figured all this out and over about 3 months was taking the sign up forms and the journal and copying down info when he closed alone. or if he wasn't alone and he had to change the paper in the machine he'd 'take this all back to the office to keep things tidy' as he was going on his break (such a considerate kid). he probably got about a hundred cards this way. then he started buying stuff online and was stupid and had it sent to his house. oops.
In my area, anything over $20 has to be signed for. And that makes me happy. I wish you had to sign for everything.
As for the article, an iPT is nice for this, but wouldn't a Tablet work better?
+1
Thank you.
Are some of you people such Apple elitist sheeples that you expect the beauty of an iPod Touch in POS devices? C'mon. How many people here complain of a solitary minor scratch or nick in their device (a Touch, a MacBook Pro, etc.) and fret about the right case to buy to protect it? Now imagine this device being handled by hundreds of strangers in a hurry for 10 hours a day, times 7 days a week, times 365 a year. And you expect beauty AND function?! lol
Just look at a debit machine POS at every check out in Walmarts (sturdy plastics). Yeah, an Apple Store wouldn't see THAT much wear and tear, but over time, it accumulates.