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shakenmartini said:
That is my point, 3.0 SDK is out NOW and there still is no public Pre SDK. How do I even know if an App I have in mind can be implemented on the Pre if I don't have the SDK? Instead, Apple landed a vastly improved and updated API set on Tuesday. It is installed on my computer NOW and I am programing apps NOW.

If the Pre SDK drops in June with the hardware that means on Day 1 there will be no software other than from the lucky devs who got the SDK first. Then we have to wait 6 months, or 2010, until the potential market share even makes programming for the Pre worth it.

This is my point is that if Palm had launched the SDK and the Pre hardware to all major carriers (GSM and CDMA) closer to their MWC announcement they would have a fighting chance. Sadly, the real launch of the Pre is not June, but 2010 when it becomes available to Verizon and hopefully a GSM carrier. When this happens we will be talking about iPhone OS 4.0 and the Pre will be another "Blackberry Storm".
Apple, obviously, has the market lead as opposed to the Pre - but several factors weigh into it standing a fighting chance. Unfortunately, with Palm staking it's future on their newest phone, there's serious possible detractions about it, as you point out. The Pre needs to hustle, hustle, hustle and bring itself up to speed as quickly as possible. If there is no SDK by launch or shortly after and they have Storm-size proportions of failures and problemos, it will tarnish their biggest asset for the Pre so far: The marketing and the hype that is and has been generated. I haven't used it and haven't extensively watched the videos so I'm in no position to judge the interface - but there's no accounting for taste so that's really a non-issue - they have to maintain the hype after launch or the bubble will burst. With the hooplah that's been going on with tech blogs, and even Palm itself, they really have to work to keep momentum and make the transition from Prototype to Consumer as smoothly as possible. The slightest catch could be disastrous given the precarious position Palm is in at this point.

So far, all people know about it is the interface and the options checklist. The actual usability of the phone is a major hurdle they have yet to jump, which Apple, for the problems that dogged the iPhone launch, has had two years already to improve and they still have a a level of hype and momentum with the upcoming June thingie.

...that's another bad idea from Palm: They picked June as the month to make the big release. They should have distanced it from the Apple shindig by at least a month. They need center stage for something like this. The Apple show will very easily handicap them, like Apple used to do with the CES (if Steve makes cameo it would handily take the wind out of Palm.. sadly). Scheduling it so close only intensifies the magnification on any fault. People love to tear things apart more than they love to rave over how wonderful and fantastic it is - whatever it is.

I haven't watched the videos all the way through yet, so I can't comment on the UI. However, that thing looks pretty ugly. It looks like it's a toy phone for kids or something. I'm going to watch the videos now though, so I'll see if the UI is better.

That's the first thing I thought of months ago when I saw it: Fisher-Price. No joke... It doesn't look that serious for some weird reason.
 
Hmm... $199 for 16 gigs, 50,000 apps, +Untold potential accessories with the iPhone vs $199 for 8 gigs, 18 apps, +untold "web apps" to come for the Pre.


Is it really a contest anymore? Also compare the iPhone's landscape keyboard to the Pre's landscape keyboard... what's that you say? Oh yeah, the Pre doesn't have a landscape keyboard.

I mean honestly, the Pre is looking more and more like the biggest joke of the century.
 
I mean honestly, the Pre is looking more and more like the biggest joke of the century.

You know, I'm all for the iPhone but comment like this make you look like a fool. The Pre is far from the "biggest joke of the century."

We need competition. Otherwise, we end up with incremental updates again and again.
 
See it is useless threads like this, which makes me pissed off. They've been shoving this phone down our throats for the past 6 months, we point out flaws about the Pre and we're all fanboys.
 
None of the two phones are perfect and it has taken Apple three hardware revisions to be where it is today. Both phone offer a great deal and yes the iPhone has 50,000+ apps but which many are crap and others repetative. I think they both are real good phones. I have a 16 3G and waiting on the 3Gs but I also have a Pre and they both are good at what they do. The iPhone also has its flaws like anyother phone in the market. Also those comments on Sprint sucks well truth be told AT&T has had and continues to have its network issues too. To tell you the truth I haven't had one dropped call since on Sprint which is a huge surprise considering the dropped or garbled calls I had on AT&T. Comments like "Pre only has Web apps" only make people look fullish...Have we forgotten how the iPhone started? The Pre will also have apps just like the iPhone and so on.
 
Anyone who is saying the Pre is a failure in terms of software is nuts. It's a really nice OS from everything I've seen. The notifications system is WAYYYYYYYY better than the iPhone's implementation. Some sort of limited multi-tasking would be nice for the iPhone; maybe that earlier suggestion where approved applications would be allowed to run in the background.

The hardware is lackluster, but I'm sure a revision or two will improve this significantly. Not really an excuse, but I just meant that the software is really the shining part of the Pre.

I don't think many people have been called fanboys who weren't genuinely being fanboys. Pointing out the flaws of a phone to show its problems is fine, but when you pretend it's utterly terrible without ever even using it, that's fanboyism. It's also a terrible plan to say how terrible a phone is doing based on launch problems that the iPhone also exhibited.

However, I do think it's ironic that Pre owners keep touting multi-tasking as an amazing feature and it's ridiculous that Apple claims it shouldn't be done. Reading through the threads many people are getting around 6 hours on standby. Yes, on standby. The iPhone gets up to around 300 hours on standby and many with the Pre are struggling to get above 6. Of course, this varies from person to person depending on what they're running, but it does show that multi-tasking has some definite drawbacks.
 
I have the pre and 3g (upgrading to 3gS). I will be returning the pre. To tell you the truth, webOS is awesome! It may need a few refinements, but it is fresh and new OS, whereas the iPhone is already on it's 3rd gen. They both have their strengths and weaknesses, so the pre does not "kick the iPhone's butt"...but it does get close to it, because of the webOS software and not the Pre.
 
Once the Pre hits VZ, it will be competition, until then it is hampered by its network.
 
The hardware is lackluster, but I'm sure a revision or two will improve this significantly. Not really an excuse, but I just meant that the software is really the shining part of the Pre.

Have you actually compared hardware specs of the 3GS and the Pre? The only difference really seems to be the higher storage and Compas. Both phones are great and the possibilities of WebOS are great. That article going around about slow sales make no sense at all, Pre has sold out and sold over 100,000 units...not bad for a company going broke. I think Palm will survive, don't get me wrong I have a 3GS reserved but not sure which of the two I will stick with. It is true that multitasking puts a higher toll on battery life because of higher processing requirements but I am one of the guys who rather make this sacrifice. I always have a method of charging anyway and even when I had the 3G it was mostly always plugged in.
 
The Pre looks good, but I'd never goto Sprint. They're worse then AT&T! Granted, all cell phone carriers are terrible, but Sprint is easily the worst.

Bring the Pre to AT&T or Verizon and I can begin to see how it could be better then the iPhone.
 
i like people who say multi task killes the iphone......

loooooooooooool

whats the function of multitask if you dont have app to multitask looooooool
i heard they reached 30 app..woooooooooow thats a killer...u can enjoy multi tasking here... when it reaaches 30 + three zeros beside call me and i wont consider the pre coz iphone by that time will have 30 + 6 zeros of apps
what about the accesoriess of iphone to radio ,,car,,everything..lol

any way here i found this on net...15 reasons why pre sucks
http://www.thinkgene.com/15-things-that-suck-about-the-palm-pre/
 
Have you actually compared hardware specs of the 3GS and the Pre? The only difference really seems to be the higher storage and Compas. Both phones are great and the possibilities of WebOS are great. That article going around about slow sales make no sense at all, Pre has sold out and sold over 100,000 units...not bad for a company going broke. I think Palm will survive, don't get me wrong I have a 3GS reserved but not sure which of the two I will stick with. It is true that multitasking puts a higher toll on battery life because of higher processing requirements but I am one of the guys who rather make this sacrifice. I always have a method of charging anyway and even when I had the 3G it was mostly always plugged in.

Sorry, I meant the build quality and components used for the phone, not the internal components (which are the same as the 3GS, I believe).
 
And having used Backgrounder, if 3.0 couldn't be jailbroken I'd rather forego the upgrade. Come on, are you guys *really* satisfied with having to be stuck on the MLB At Bat app to listen to the stream (among others)?

WebOS is awesome and if Apple had come out with it you'd all be loving it. That said, having checked it out the hardware does unfortunately bring the Pre down (YMWV on how much - battery life aside I wasn't crazy about the keyboard and not having an SD card slot = horrible mistake). It obviously needs more time to develop and get more apps/missing features...and get on Verizon. ;) But the potential's there so I really hope it can succeed.
 
the palm pre is no way a competitor to iphone or mobile market....the real competiton that is going to be is the between iphone and android over mobile market and sure the pre has no place at all in that competition

although this competition iphone won this competition easily this year ...but it will be very tough the coming years to win it....but i deeply think and feal...since the iphone appeared many tried to be iphone killers ..and all lost uptil now...i hope only this competition between android and iphone benifit us only coz it makes apple continue improving more and more

and again who will hear about the pre in the coming years...lol
 
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