Agreed there. I don't wish them failure, but I honestly can say if they release the phone and it's not ready like many of the other releases they have - then it will fail. Half of all Apple haters eventually end up buying an Apple. I'm one of them. btw, those are my stats, but I bet they're about right.
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Palm Pre DEFINITELY KICK BUTTS (puts iphone on shame)!
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Agreed there. I don't wish them failure, but I honestly can say if they release the phone and it's not ready like many of the other releases they have - then it will fail. Half of all Apple haters eventually end up buying an Apple. I'm one of them. btw, those are my stats, but I bet they're about right.
Great points, and I agree that they needed to be a little more aggressive with their SDK. The first iPhone however launched without any SDK and was locked to one carrier, and I'd say they did pretty good for themselves.
The big difference being the iPhone wasn't really competing with another phone, as there were no phones remotely close to the iPhone.
Also, didn't Apple release the SDK in March and have 2.0 drop in July? If Palm (big if) releases the SDK in the next month, and still have a late June release we could see a good amount of apps ready for launch.
I guess my point is that people are claiming the Pre doesn't stand a chance even though they've never held it in their hands and used it. There are many reasons (as you stated) why it might fail, but at this point all we have are theories.
It could be a huge success, it could be a huge failure, but we all have to let time run its course.
Surely if the public knows this then Palm deffinatly knows as well. I guess the Pre's release will test its leadership. If its going to be get it out there now rather then when ready, good riddance.
I am going to be optimistic tho, merely for those who dislike the iphone but still want what could be a great phone.
I don't know how much money changes hands with exclusive deals, but I'm surprised Palm went with one. For a company that has been irrelevant for a few years now (or what seems like a looooong time) I thought they would have gone for a huge release.
One day, Pre released on the 4 major U.S. carriers. When was the last time an anticipated phone was released on more than one carrier at the same time? Has it happened? Now THAT would have been huge.
One day, Pre released on the 4 major U.S. carriers. When was the last time an anticipated phone was released on more than one carrier at the same time? Has it happened? Now THAT would have been huge.
I think they went the apple route to ensure they only had to deal with one network at launch. Its much safer for a rollout rather than throwing it on every network and hoping to god you dont run into network/user problems.
WAY easier to troubleshoot with less variables.
I think that's a good view. I don't understand why anyone who likes technology, and doesn't hold stock in another company would want the Pre, or any other phone, to fail. The better new phones are the better phones we get. We all win!
This phone reminds alot of the htc touch phone a few years back, woth the whole gesture thing. I have always been a pc guy and I just recently picked up an iphone 3g. It is better than anyother phone I have had so far. It is really quick compared to the other winmo phones I have owned. In one video she is looking at the photos and the guy asks can you turn it , she sayd yes you should be able to then it doesn't turn. Then she says oh they must have the accelerometer turned off, magically it got turned off between the photos and the web presentation.
What he's saying holds truth. There will be a share of people who are going to buy the pre just so they will be different from the iPhone crowd. I like to call them the Goths of the techworld.
Yes but that kind of buying is in a small minority. Your average joe buys what he likes, not because its not brand A or B
The number of people who fit into this category is substantially lower than the people who buy the iPhone because it is an apple product.
I love the iPhone, and I'm happy with all my apple products, but I think we all know that Apple could shi* in a bag and some people would wait inline for it.
Looks like the Pre has some competition -
http://blogs.computerworld.com/is_the_upcoming_android_ui_taking_cues_from_palm_pre from the HTC Hero
http://blogs.computerworld.com/is_the_upcoming_android_ui_taking_cues_from_palm_pre from the HTC Hero
Ugg...not to nitpick but you "put someone to shame..." not "on shame"... Besides, a wise man once wrote, there is nothing new under the sun. apple is copying the originator of cell phone technology...*gasp* 
So Palm Pre basically copied everything iPhone's got (the design, multi touch, system, etc.) and now they can put iPhone on shame? are you kidding me?
current ugliest phone award goes to the Android G1or G2, whatever it is now....
So Palm Pre basically copied everything iPhone's got (the design, multi touch, system, etc.) and now they can put iPhone on shame? are you kidding me?
Only if they do it better.
So Palm Pre basically copied everything iPhone's got (the design, multi touch, system, etc.) and now they can put iPhone on shame? are you kidding me?
Almost every aspect of the iPhone's software design were stolen from Palm and other companies in the 90s! iPhone didn't create touchscreen phones, they didn't create multi-touch! They just steal a bunch of ideas, put it in a clever package, put the Apple logo on it and call it brand new!
from precentral.com
even though talking about who was first at doing what and how is useless, it's the product that matters, let the Big ones fight over patents.. I think the iPhone has much to do with the Newton and the iPod, every product adding something new and different. Taking something old, something new never tried before, inventing something, eliminating something else.. putting all of this together doesn't automatically make it a great product that works, which all of these three Apple's products I quoted are.
That's the weird thing with phones. They appear to be more a symbol of self and require more militant justification of purchase than just about any other technological item (in fact I've trouble thinking of another that demands an equivalent level of grandstanding period). I don't understand it
.That's the weird thing with phones. They appear to be more a symbol of self and require more militant justification of purchase than just about any other technological item (in fact I've trouble thinking of another that demands an equivalent level of grandstanding period). I don't understand it
I think video game consoles are worse. I've seen much worse arguments over PS3 vs. 360 than with any kind of phone. It can also get bad with Mac vs. PC.
That's a good point. Video game consoles do demand a similar, if not surpass the level of loyalty and self-justification than phones do.
And Palm stole blahblahblah from Blahblahblah. They slapped the Palm name on it and called it new!
Very rarely does anyone actually create anything. Saying that Apple stole ideas, did nothing to them, and called them their own is bogus. It's called innovation, not invention. You take one idea and find a way to make it better. Did Apple create the mobile web browser? No, but they took it and made it better than anything else. Is Apple the first to put 3rd party applications on a smartphone? No, but Apple made it a huge industry with the App Store. Is Apple the first to put an MP3 player on a cell phone? No, but I dare you to find an MP3 player interface on a cell phone that is as great as the iPhone's.
And second, how is the iPhone anything like the Palm devices from the 90s? If anything, the Palm Pre is based off of the iPhone! It's hard for some to admit, but Apple has the biggest influence on the cell phone market today. You may not like the iPhone, it might not be the best selling phone out there, but it is the most important phone out there. Without the iPhone touch screen phones wouldn't be as popular and the Pre would not exist. The iPhone is a bigger influence than Palm itself when it comes to interface and hardware design on the Pre.
This isn't an Apple fanboy talking, it's someone who's speaking the obvious. It's obvious even if Pre fanboys aren't willing to admit it.