Originally posted by MacKid
Why would Apple have said so in the first place? At MWSF did they tell you that they were making G5's and to expect them at the next WWDC? Did they tell you at the Thanksgiving Sale that shortly new PowerBooks would be announced? If not, why tell you about Panther?
Seriously?
But they did announce a ship date for Panther - by the end of the year. If Apple really thought they could get it out by September then Steve would have said 'by the end of Summer' or 'by the end of September' but he didn't. So between that and other things I've heard I'd say that September is very unlikely.
Originally posted by AppleMatt
Perhaps 10.2.7 also contains bug fixes/improvements to 10.2.6, so it will eventually be released to everyone (like 10.2.3 was even though that was thought to just include PowerBook support)
I think the general assumption is that the 15" AlBook will be very similar to the 12" & 17" AlBooks. I've also heard that 10.2.7 will only appear on G5 machines.
Originally posted by macnews
Why do I feel like most of the posts on here are saying:
"Maybe Panther will come out in Sept. but I doubt it, it might come out in Jan or maybe December but maybe between Sept or Dec." No logical reasoning.
Maybe because that is what Steve J said? He said on stage by the end of the year, which means by the end of July, August, September, October, November or December. Since September is the end of summer, and since developers only got a 'better version' at the end of June, I think we can rule out July & August. September is hard to rule out because of all the trade shows and the historical evidence (10.1 & 10.2 both out before the end of summer). But since Steve did say 'End of the year' it is easier to give Sept a 'Not Likely'.
Not being out to developers? How many companies had versions BEFORE WWDC? Then everyone at WWDC got a copy (I think there were what, 1000 attendees? I could be way off here - can anyone confirm?). I would think if you were a developer not at WWDC you would have gotten a copy by now - anyone fall in that category that can confirm/deny?
Before WWDC, I can probably be pretty correct in there being fewer than a dozen devs that had seen Panther (and likely only Apple had it). There were nearly 4000 attendies iirc, and each of them got a copy of Panther, Panther Server, and XCode. As far as developers who didn't goto the conference, I'm not certain if any of them have gotten, but I'd presume they would get their copy next month wwith their ADC mailings.
Also, 10.2 was shown in July and shipped by mid August. Lastly, if 10.3 is not 64 bit then why the reason for the major delay? There were not THAT many new features in 10.3 that would require taking until Dec to release. If we were talking 64 bit, I could understand. Look at how fast we were getting Jaguar updates - WITH a special version for the G5!
Yes 10.2 was shown in July - but it was given to WWDC attendies in May. Last year's WWDC keynote was not a public event like this years' was so you really can't compare MWNY last year to WWDC this year. And no, 10.3 will not be 64-bit but it must support running more code in 64-bit mode. I wouldn't be surprised if 10.2.7 had a LOT of glue code in the kernal so that 10.2.x kernal extensions would run unmodified. 10.3 will require 64-bit clean kernal extensions however.
So, my prediction - if 10.3 is not 64 bit I think a Sept. release date is reasonable. If it will be 64 bit (still a rumor, I haven't seen a statement from Apple confirming this) then I would say Dec or even Jan a more likely time frame.
As to price, based on what they did last year for Jaguar I would expect a Sept release to cost G5 buyers a $29 upgrade - to cover some pretty friggin expensive "shipping" costs. If it is a Dec release, expect to pay full cost unless you bought your G5 within the past 90 days.
10.3 will not be 64-bit, but if you use what they consider as a 'developer complete' version as a mile stone, then 10.3 is already a month 'later' than 10.2 was, so if it does come in September it will probably be very late in September.
As for G5 buyers, their plight will likely depend on when they buy and when Panther ships. The up-to-date program lets you get the update for $19.95 (which isn't unreasonable if they ship it next day post). But no one will know until someone gets their G5 and posts here if there is some special offer in the box.
Edit: Oops, nearly 4000 devs, not 400 devs
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