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Originally posted by Kamu-San
So this house server should have/do the following:
- be completely silent
- no fire hazard
- firewall/router
- Airport base station
- Central email cache?
- Scheduled downloads
Then when you get home, you could connect with your Palm/P800/PB12/dumb terminal and instantly check your mail etc.
Not really useful I'm afraid, but nicely geeky
In the nicely geeky mode you fogot to add serving your own web/.mac style server so you can access you data from work or when you out and about and show the world photo's of you dog growing up
It would be nice for it to be an mp3/4 server as well so you can have a central store for them instead of on each computer, although with multiple log ins to the server this is a given anyway... The noise issue should hopefully not be too much of a problem as it would be tucked away in a cubboard/rack like your central heating boiler, maybe have a sound proof cupboard made out of egg boxes or something just dont store it in the same cupboard as the boiler or things could get messy if it leaked....p.s has anyones else internet gone down? I can only get like BBC, MacRumors and yahoo to work, everything else near enough including apple is down for me?
Wonderfully geeky
But since I live in an appartment I don't have a boiler room
I do have a storage closet, though. But it's warm in there even without a house server... Good idea though. It's going to be a problem to get the cable cablesrolleyes: ) over there.
And I'm still dependent on the dumb terminals, because of boot time.
Hmmmm. Now wait.... I *could* buy a cheap PC with lots of RAM and lots of storage, install Linux on it, install a Wifi card, put it in the closet and run a webserver, .mac-server with calendar sharing, MP3/4 server (in-house only of course ) and use my instantly booting iMac as a dumb server
Anyway, this brings me back to the topic: A house server is a solution which only throws more money and hardware at the problem.
Concurrent sessions and iCal calendar sharing between multiple users at the same computer would be a better solution.
Then again, the last problem is also solved if I'd put the calendars on my webserver, which also solves the problem of how to sync calendars when I buy a 970
So, to recap, I'll make my iMac a house server, it's silent, it's in sleep mode when nobody is home, I can use it to share calendars and MP3/s between multiple users and if we get concurrent sessions, then the last problem will be solved as well
There goes my weekend
But since I live in an appartment I don't have a boiler room
I do have a storage closet, though. But it's warm in there even without a house server... Good idea though. It's going to be a problem to get the cable cables
rolleyes: ) over there.And I'm still dependent on the dumb terminals, because of boot time.
Hmmmm. Now wait.... I *could* buy a cheap PC with lots of RAM and lots of storage, install Linux on it, install a Wifi card, put it in the closet and run a webserver, .mac-server with calendar sharing, MP3/4 server (in-house only of course
) and use my instantly booting iMac as a dumb server Anyway, this brings me back to the topic: A house server is a solution which only throws more money and hardware at the problem.
Concurrent sessions and iCal calendar sharing between multiple users at the same computer would be a better solution.
Then again, the last problem is also solved if I'd put the calendars on my webserver, which also solves the problem of how to sync calendars when I buy a 970
So, to recap, I'll make my iMac a house server, it's silent, it's in sleep mode when nobody is home, I can use it to share calendars and MP3/s between multiple users and if we get concurrent sessions, then the last problem will be solved as well
There goes my weekend
Again good points......well except buying a cheap wintel box....do you want your whole system to be broken into and have millions of virus's, unless its BSD or linux you put on it then i'll let you off....but then how do you do the multiple graphical log in's into it?
Yeah the iMac/PowerMac idea is probably better for homes that have no where to put a server, or are small enough that an iMac would do fine. If a household used quite a few connections though or had a couple of more power users then probably the iMac would buckle under the load...In the future I guess new homes could be built to be networked, with highspeed cables through the home, and a special place to store the home server....or am i getting to blade runner or something...IT administrators would become like the gas man then where you get called into peoples homes when the duck up the server.....
Yeah the iMac/PowerMac idea is probably better for homes that have no where to put a server, or are small enough that an iMac would do fine. If a household used quite a few connections though or had a couple of more power users then probably the iMac would buckle under the load...In the future I guess new homes could be built to be networked, with highspeed cables through the home, and a special place to store the home server....or am i getting to blade runner or something...IT administrators would become like the gas man then where you get called into peoples homes when the duck up the server.....
PC running Linux of course
I'm trying to make my house Certified Microsoft Free Zone (KSCMFZ)
I think a separate machine would be overkill. The iMac would be quite sufficient.
For good ideas, see this nice article:
http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2003/02/04/homemade_dot_mac.html
I'm trying to make my house Certified Microsoft Free Zone (KSCMFZ)
I think a separate machine would be overkill. The iMac would be quite sufficient.
For good ideas, see this nice article:
http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2003/02/04/homemade_dot_mac.html
Re: oh well....
Not necessarily. The point of using it with a tablet would be this:
suppose I have my dual 800 or 1.2 or whatever machine upstairs. But I want access to my email, browser etc in the kitchen or the bedroom or living room. I can leave my machine running upstairs, then let the tablet (or another Mac) downstairs access it.
I therefore have access to my mail, iTunes, iPhoto etc. The beauty of it is that everything is on one machine, you therefore don't have to worry about backing up multiple machines, synchronizing files (e.g. did I edit that document on the table or the desktop etc).
This is a great feature, and something similar was available in NeXT, but NOT transparent like this seems to be - e.g. it required more configuration to get it working correctly.
Not necessarily. The point of using it with a tablet would be this:
suppose I have my dual 800 or 1.2 or whatever machine upstairs. But I want access to my email, browser etc in the kitchen or the bedroom or living room. I can leave my machine running upstairs, then let the tablet (or another Mac) downstairs access it.
I therefore have access to my mail, iTunes, iPhoto etc. The beauty of it is that everything is on one machine, you therefore don't have to worry about backing up multiple machines, synchronizing files (e.g. did I edit that document on the table or the desktop etc).
This is a great feature, and something similar was available in NeXT, but NOT transparent like this seems to be - e.g. it required more configuration to get it working correctly.
Multiple user sessions would be great! It would help administration of machines here in the office A LOT.
Also, 10.1 was not final product quality. It was to slow and to many issues, and because of it's fallshorts I had to fight of vicious MS goons from replacing all the macs with win2k. I am still upset they charged for 10.2 and I will be very upset if they have no upgrade path for 10.2 > 10.3
Also, 10.1 was not final product quality. It was to slow and to many issues, and because of it's fallshorts I had to fight of vicious MS goons from replacing all the macs with win2k. I am still upset they charged for 10.2 and I will be very upset if they have no upgrade path for 10.2 > 10.3
This is a feature I most want to be included in Panther!! :-D I really wish it would be.. it would make things so much easier. it sucks if I'm processing a video clip with cleaner and then someone has to check his/her mail............
Copying or not ? this is a feature not to be left out..
Copying or not ? this is a feature not to be left out..
This is way kewl from the old school. Multi-user to a single machine is as old as UNIX and twice as dusty. It is good to see Apple exploiting the core features of UNIX and giving the ability to single users, families and businesses the ability to leverage a central machine as a shared or dedicated server. This will bring the $$$ per user cost down while not reducing the functionality for each user. True multi-user, multi-tasking.This also explains the desire for AirPort Extreme at 54Mbps, tighter integration with X11 and GigE on the Power line of products. They will have successfully totally integrated/Apple-ized UNIX for the masses. Also all of the XFree86 software base with X11 integrated will be easier than the FINK installations and gives them a huge base of applications and the entire Open Source community coding for Apple platforms.
All they have to do now is finalize their port/integration of OpenOffice/AppleWorks and they have an overwhelming story for businesses to move to Apple because the ROI will be greater than a Micro$oft solution (even with cheap hardware).
Yes!
If this was the only thing Panther gave us, I'd be willing to pay for it!
My wife uses the machine all day for her business and always has a bunch of windows up when I go to do my stuff.
Plus, if I'm rendering something in Final Cut Pro, she could still check her email or whatever - it would just slow down the render.
I really hope MOSR got this one right.
If this was the only thing Panther gave us, I'd be willing to pay for it!
My wife uses the machine all day for her business and always has a bunch of windows up when I go to do my stuff.
Plus, if I'm rendering something in Final Cut Pro, she could still check her email or whatever - it would just slow down the render.
I really hope MOSR got this one right.
Negative votes?!?!?
Why in the world have you 7 people out there voted negative on this? If you don't think it's useful then you don't use it - but I'd really like to know what the negative is to it!
Why in the world have you 7 people out there voted negative on this? If you don't think it's useful then you don't use it - but I'd really like to know what the negative is to it!
Hopefully this is more than just switching a user session context to the primary display. I'm hoping it's something along the lines of Windows Terminal Services or XDM remote login. I used to use remote login in college because I had a crappy SPARCstation 5 with an 80 MHz TurboSPARC but my user account was on a Sun E4000 with 8 400 MHz UltraSPARC IIs. So obviously, my applications ran much faster if I ran them remotely on the E4000 and just displayed them on my machine.
The only problems I can see with this are some issues with graphics intensive applications. Updating a framebuffer over a network connection can be really ssslllooooowwwww. But for regular user/productivity type apps, it should be a boon. And hopefully, vendors will not complicate licensing because of this.
Wi-Fi, of course, is an obvious complement to this technology. Maybe this can breath new life into some otherwise "unusable" Macs that people may have lying around.
The only problems I can see with this are some issues with graphics intensive applications. Updating a framebuffer over a network connection can be really ssslllooooowwwww. But for regular user/productivity type apps, it should be a boon. And hopefully, vendors will not complicate licensing because of this.
Wi-Fi, of course, is an obvious complement to this technology. Maybe this can breath new life into some otherwise "unusable" Macs that people may have lying around.
This feature is an excellent idea
Apple has been losing market share in schools. This would help. Think, 3 Xserves running an entire library's computer lab. Wouldn't that be more or less possible? Talk about cost effective. Maybe more than 3 Xserves.
As has been mentioned, businesses would find that attractive, too
Apple has been losing market share in schools. This would help. Think, 3 Xserves running an entire library's computer lab. Wouldn't that be more or less possible? Talk about cost effective. Maybe more than 3 Xserves.
As has been mentioned, businesses would find that attractive, too
I know quite a few people who use XP's remote desktop feature and/or VNC. And I know that just because *I* specifically know people that it does not mean that everybody in the world would have a use for this feature, but it works rather nicely in combination with VPN (so it could be useful in businesses) and it works great without it (so ... say... on a college campus if you're in a computer lab or floating around on a wireless network, you can have complete control of your computer back in your dorm).
I've also heard people mentioning multiple remote desktop sessions and how that's a feature that XP has and OS X does not.... that is, unless I'm hallucinating. As far as I know, XP does not allow multiple remote desktop connections. The implmentation of Windows' Terminal Services in XP Pro allows for a single-remote logon.. and it disables the console when a remote user is connected. This is basically a limited version of the full-blown Terminal Services that 2000/2003 Server offers.
Re: multiple desktops
But you can get multiple desktops under MacOS X. I have two running right now. Of course, you need to use an additional piece of software, but, that's not that big a deal, is it?
Check this out:
http://www.codetek.com/php/virtual.php
But you can get multiple desktops under MacOS X. I have two running right now. Of course, you need to use an additional piece of software, but, that's not that big a deal, is it?
Check this out:
http://www.codetek.com/php/virtual.php
Re: Re: Re: Panther $$$
Mac OS 8 - paid
Mac OS 8.1 - free
Mac OS 8.5 - paid
Mac OS 8.5.1 - free
Mac OS 8.6 - free
Mac OS 9 - paid
Mac OS 9.0.1-4 - free
Mac OS 9.1 - free
Mac OS 9.2.0-2 - free
Mac OS X Beta - paid
Mac OS X 10.0 - paid
Mac OS X 10.0.1-4 - free
Mac OS X 10.1 - free
Mac OS X 10.1.1-5 - free
Mac OS X 10.2 - paid
Mac OS X 10.2.1-5 - free
All I'm trying to show here is that if you want to see a pattern in anything, you will. I doubt Apple intended for there to be a pattern, and there doesn't seem to be any logic to it.
The jump from 10.0 to 10.1 was major, as well as from 10.1 to 10.2. Way bigger than most of the pre-X updates. And 10.3 will probably be the same.
I am sure if they charge it will be worth it to me.
That's a little bit of kludging to fit a pattern, I'd say.
Mac OS 8 - paid
Mac OS 8.1 - free
Mac OS 8.5 - paid
Mac OS 8.5.1 - free
Mac OS 8.6 - free
Mac OS 9 - paid
Mac OS 9.0.1-4 - free
Mac OS 9.1 - free
Mac OS 9.2.0-2 - free
Mac OS X Beta - paid
Mac OS X 10.0 - paid
Mac OS X 10.0.1-4 - free
Mac OS X 10.1 - free
Mac OS X 10.1.1-5 - free
Mac OS X 10.2 - paid
Mac OS X 10.2.1-5 - free
All I'm trying to show here is that if you want to see a pattern in anything, you will. I doubt Apple intended for there to be a pattern, and there doesn't seem to be any logic to it.
The jump from 10.0 to 10.1 was major, as well as from 10.1 to 10.2. Way bigger than most of the pre-X updates. And 10.3 will probably be the same.
I am sure if they charge it will be worth it to me.
Here's my WAG (guess).
It is a bluetooth or airport extreme device that consists of a larger than normal screen for a PDA and navigation features, either trackpad, trackball, pen, IBM keyboard knob, or some combo. Maybe even a blueberry style keyboard.
It is a "window" for a browser, a remote control for your A/V server, could in principal be a phone, and generally be an inside the home or inside the office (bluetooth or airport extreme) access point.
The value is that multiple "users" can be doing limited things from a single main CPU (Apple computer), such as watching TV, talking on the phone, listening to music, browsing the internet, checking email, whatever.
In one sense it is "crippleware" because it is not a full Powerbook. In another sense it is a "limited purpose terminal" or thin client on steroids since it will have "lifestyle uses" not mere "Terminal access".
Just a guess not based on any insider or outsider knowledge or hints other than this mac rumours posting and some personal intuition.
Lifestyle benefit: you and the kids can all be on the internet all at once.
Rocketman
I am happily awaiting this feature. I am the only person who uses my iBook (Mine, all mine, Hahahahaahaha) but I often am modifying resources that i have to be logged into root to change. Then, i have to go log back into my account to see if it works. This would let me cut the endless logging on and off which really pisses me off.
The way I see it implementing it sees fairly simple. In fact it is somehow already in there. You can launch CLI apps as whatever user you want whatever the "aqua user" is.
I do not know if it was anything close to clear.
The only problem is that if you try to launch an aqua app as another user, then that another user will not have permissions to use the first one's windows server. So apple just needs a GUI to shut down the first user's windows server without shutting his/her running apps and let the 2nd user launch his to later on shut it down and let the first user launch his/her again.
I do not know if it was anything close to clear.
BTW, that is the only exception when a second user is allowed to use the first one's windows server, because root can basically use whatever he wants.
So, do you want for instance launch TextEdit to create or edit a text file owned by root? Just type
Code:
sudo /Applications/TextEdit/Contents/MacOS/TextEdit &
Code:
sudo /Applications/System\ Preferences.app/Contents/MacOS/System\ Preferences &