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kingtj said:
To be honest, the single biggest reason I want XP on my Macbook Pro is for the games I can't play in OS X. That means I have to dual-boot into it right now. Considering Apple's BootCamp is only a beta-test snippet of code going into the next version of OS X - there are all sorts of possibilities there.

I'm afraid that at the very least, products like Parallels will become outdated as soon as OS X Leopard is released - making them only useful for those who don't want to update from Tiger.
Sure, but Leopard's probably close to a year away. If you need or want something now, $39 is a steal.

I use Parallels for Linux - I can do 95% of my work in OS X but I need to be able to build rpms for our Linux servers at work. I have a Windows VM but only use it for Civ II.
 
BWhaler said:
I did exactly this.

Spend money now to save 40 bucks. No brainer.

The only real risk is Apple putting the technology in Leopard. But it's a worthwhile risk, IMHO.

well, IMHO, i really think apple is putting similar tech in leopard. it should be pretty easy for apple to do it, and since apple is trying kinda aggressively to gain market share, there is high chance that they will offer this boot-camp alternative to non-gamer windows user. (who will want to dual-boot if one does not have to???)
 
DTphonehome said:
Can anyone give me some reasons that a very occassional Windows user would buy this, instead of using Boot Camp?
Well for one you don't have to repartition your hard drive. I run Parallels with a disk file on an external USB drive and it works fine. I wouldn't want Windows taking up precious space on my internal HD.
 
Even if Leopard is only six months away, Parallels can be worth its price if you'll be making a heavy use of it. I know I'll be getting it as soon as my Mac Mini gets here.

Does anyone know how long it might be before they release the official version and we're forced to pay the full price? Also, just to be sure, can I just buy the software now, download it to my iBook, and install it on my Mini when it finally gets here? I won't be installing it on my iBook, but I'd rather not pay 80$ for something that I can get for 40.

plinden said:
Sure, but Leopard's probably close to a year away. If you need or want something now, $39 is a steal.

I use Parallels for Linux - I can do 95% of my work in OS X but I need to be able to build rpms for our Linux servers at work. I have a Windows VM but only use it for Civ II.
 
Drive me away with the price increase...

I hate to say it, but I really think that the price increase will drive me away from this tool. At $49.99 it was a good price for a good product. However, for $70+, I expect a lot more functionality, like iWork or iLife package of goods.

I have been espousing Parallels at work, but I am now hard-pressed to push it at this price.

My camel's back is broken :-(.

Charlie
 
cwoloszynski said:
However, for $70+, I expect a lot more functionality, like iWork or iLife package of goods.
FWIW, the same functionality for Windows (VMWare Workstation) is $189.00
 
DTphonehome said:
The question for me is: Do I really need this? I so rarely use Windows that it wouldn't be a biggie for me to just reboot on the rare occassion I need it.

But I'm the only one who can decide if if I use it enough to get this.

Can anyone give me some reasons that a very occassional Windows user would buy this, instead of using Boot Camp?

EDIT: Alright, I broke down and bought it. Another reason to get the MB sooner rather than later.

You know, I started reading this post, and I felt stupid for buying Parallels.

You're right, I don't use or really need Windows anymore.

But them I read your edit, and remembered that I am geek who likes to have options. Sure, I may never install anything in the Windows partition except for security patches from Microsoft, but it's nice to have the option.

But it is nice to know there are geeks like me out there...we're not always rational. :)
 
I have Parallels dektop running xp on my macbook and I can say it is very stable and solid and its only RC2. I got in on the $39 and thats a deal IMHO. Its fast and easy and best thing about it is that you can back up a whole XP install with software and files onto a drive and its one file. Great for the day you get an xp virus. Just drag it over, no sweat. I think this is the greatest software out there.
 
Nay, hourly!

Best thing about the VM is that you can copy it and when (not if!) the windows machine barfs, you just junk it and move to the copy. That right there is reason to use an OSX-based VM as opposed to a dedicated box.

DTphonehome said:
That should keep you busy on a near-daily basis!
 
Some_Big_Spoon said:
Nay, hourly!

Best thing about the VM is that you can copy it and when (not if!) the windows machine barfs, you just junk it and move to the copy. That right there is reason to use an OSX-based VM as opposed to a dedicated box.

That's a great point, and I never really thought about it that way.

I am going to install XP, every patch on the planet they have (in the gigs, and I am not kidding) and then back up the file.

As I said in my earlier post, I don't really need to do anything with XP anymore, but it's nice to have the option.
 
aristobrat said:
More like Boot Camp is only a better solution for those people who need hardware accelerated graphics... ;)

And a better sound driver.
 
Nice update.

Full screen mode is much better in this version. The first release candidate had some annoyances, like where it would change the Mac resolution every time the virtual machine changed resolution. I'd shutdown XP in full screen, it would get to the lower res shutdown screen and change the Mac resolution to fit, and then all my Safari/Terminal/etc windows would be squished vertically! :eek: Now there's a preference to prevent that. :cool:

One oddity was that I had to completely uninstall the previous version before installing RC2. I don't recall seeing any instructions to do that, but RC2 kept complaining that it couldn't start the hypervisor or something like that, until I did the full uninstall/reinstall. If that was truly necessary, they should have made it more clear.

I find the price increase interesting. My take is that they did it mostly to get more people to preorder. Missing out on a $10 savings isn't a travesty if you procrastinated and forgot to preorder. Missing out on $40, now half the price, is definitely a bigger deal. It certainly got me off my butt to preorder last night instead of waiting any longer! :D
 
DrFrankTM said:
Does anyone know how long it might be before they release the official version and we're forced to pay the full price? Also, just to be sure, can I just buy the software now, download it to my iBook, and install it on my Mini when it finally gets here? I won't be installing it on my iBook, but I'd rather not pay 80$ for something that I can get for 40.

The Beta's and RC's of Parallels have been updated roughly every 2 weeks, so you probably have till mid june (but don't hold me to it!) :)
 
Have they fixed the problem of reading CD's yet? I understand previously you couldn't just insert a Windows cd but had to make a disk image and run that.

I am asking because I need a pc for work running Windows 2000, the IT department restricts it and uses some sort of specially configured cd to limit port access, set up fire wall, etc. I figure Parallels is better than Boot camp, since it can run 2000, but the IT department will walk away if there is anything out of the ordinary about setting up the computer. Anyway, I really want to be able to switch back and forth rather than reboot. Most of my work I do on the Mac, I just can't get IT to connect it to the network. So if I can get Parallels running and connected, I can switch into PC mode for the small number of things I need to do (scheduling program mainly), then switch back.

Oh, and did I mention, I don't have a MacIntel yet...which is why I'm asking instead of just going ahead and trying it out for myself. But I sure want to get a MacBook, as soon as I can justify it.
 
matznentosh said:
Have they fixed the problem of reading CD's yet? I understand previously you couldn't just insert a Windows cd but had to make a disk image and run that.
If this was an issue, it hasn't been for at least the past three releases, which is when I first started with it. When Parallels is running by default it "takes over" the optical drive. You put a disc in, it recognizes it and/or mounts in windows, no issue. I installed XP that way--just a straight install from the discs--and once it was up and running I installed a large scientific software package from CD without issue.

Really, right from the initial OS installation it was no different from using a hardware box, and this was with an earlier beta.

If, however, you've got Parallels open and you want to use a disc with the MacOS, you need to tell it to "let go" of the drive, so to speak, at which point the disc will disappear from within Windows and appear in the Finder.

This latest RC seems to have fixed all the issues I had--works smoothly and quickly now. Freezing and resuming Windows seems notably faster, too.
 
cwoloszynski said:
I hate to say it, but I really think that the price increase will drive me away from this tool. At $49.99 it was a good price for a good product. However, for $70+, I expect a lot more functionality, like iWork or iLife package of goods.
Charlie

I've been interrested in software pricing for many years. How to choose a price? I know one person who had a software product that he got into reatail. It did not sell well so he experimented. He had some store raise the price and others lower it and watched. It turned out that raising the price actually got more units to sell. It turns out that as long as you can aford the price, people think the higher priced product must be better so they tend to buy the highest priced product they can afford. Stupid yes but people do not know much about computers and less about software so they base decisions about it on the aspects of it they DO understand.

Just look at this thread. I wrote about QEMU. It's free but do you see a stampede of mac users running to download and install it? No. they see a cardboard box and a price tag and figure price equals quality

In this case, I don't think this price increase was done to make the product look better. I figure it is to recover the development costs before Apple includes virtualization into Mac OS and the market evaporates. Kind of like no one would pay for a web browser, next year no one will pay for virtual machine software.

But still it's an interresting question: What do you charge for a product that costs nearly nothing to manufacture?
 
Something the original post fails to mention is that even after the first commercial version is released, it will still be available for the originally announced price of $49.99, at least for the first 30 days, before the new $79.99 price goes into effect.

This is according to the Parallels official forums:

As a special extended offer, we'll be offering the new, all inclusive version for $49.99 for 30 days following the general release.

You can read the full announcement here:

http://forum.parallels.com/thread2231.html
 
ChrisA said:
But still it's an interresting question: What do you charge for a product that costs nearly nothing to manufacture?
I've read a number of articles and "insider" discussions about sofware pricing, and most agree that it is a dark art, and in many cases doesn't even make sense by traditional laws of supply and demand. In some cases, people will buy a product just because it's more expensive so it looks more important, in others they just aren't willing to pay what a product is worth to them for one reason or another (most often these days because of good open-source projects, in others because a company destroyed the market with a product like IE for free, or iMovie for cheap on the Mac).

In any case, the theoretical correct answer to the above question from a "fair" standpoint would be "Whatever the lowest price that allows you about break even and pay you and your employees a fair wage for the work they have and will continue to do on the product."

In areas with competition, one might guess that's pretty much where the price settles--assuming development time is similar for similar products, the prices will force each other down until they hit a stable point. Nobody can afford to go lower, and products that took more work theoretically have features or polish to justify the additional cost relative to their competitors.

But when you're nearly the only product in the space, like with Parallels (current open source solutions aren't yet competitive in practical terms), you can charge whatever the market will bear, because you've got a monopoly, and often the lowest price isn't the one that makes you the most profit.

I consider MS Office to be the ultimate offensive example--it only takes a quick look at the financial statements of Microsoft to see that the office software division takes in something like four times their costs to develop products. At the volumes it sells at, Office development obviously doesn't cost a fraction of the $400 MS charges for it, yet at that price since they have wiped out nearly all competition they STILL manage to sell a license to nearly every business computer in the US, if not the world. Why charge $100 when you'd sell just as many copies at four times the price? In most other industries (or even software areas) competitive pressure would force the price down, but they've managed to create and lock in their monopoly, so they can keep the price drastically inflated. (And, I might add, use the profits to maintain the monopoly or fund monopoly development in other areas, since the US government has given up on trying to stop them.)
 
Ugh

I guess I'm not suprised about the price increase. $49 was pretty cheap for what this software does, especially since they seem to like to run promotions. Anyway, the price bump got me to pre-order, which I'm sure is what they wanted :rolleyes:. This software is too useful to me to not own!
 
DOS card very different from dual-core

LimeiBook86 said:
I'm sure Apple can do this now, most of the intel CPUs have two physical CPUs, this shouldn't be a problem.
Your DOS card had separate CPU, memory, cache and I/O devices.

The dual-core Yonah shares everything except for the CPU itself.

That makes it very, very different from the DOS card.
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Virtualization Technology is the solution, although not the way Parallels uses it.

A low-level hypervisor underneath all the operating systems is the future. OSX and Windows will be peers, both running in virtual machines controlled by the hypervisor.
 
Hopefully Parallels team will come up with a parallels tool install on Linux to improve it and make things like airport, and screen resolution work as well as it does in windows.

At $39.99 it's cheap, at $79.99 it's still a lot cheaper and far better than Virtual PC.
 
MacRumorUser said:
At $39.99 it's cheap, at $79.99 it's still a lot cheaper and far better than Virtual PC.
Only half true about being cheaper; VirtualPC with no OS may cost about $120 and Parallels has some serious advantages. But if you're planning on running Windows, remember that VPC with a copy of XP Pro is "only" $215 ($250 MSRP). Buying a non-upgrade XP Pro license (which you'd have to do with Parallels if you didn't already have a license) costs $280 discount, about $300 regular price.

Now, technically the XP Pro license that comes with VPC is an "OEM" license which only runs about $150 if you can find one, and this might be legit to use with Parallels (not quite sure), but even then the total cost is $220, about the same as VPC.

This isn't to say that $80 is a ripoff, as Parallels is drastically more capable on an Intel Mac than VPC is on a PPC one, but then there's really no good comparison between the two products until MS releases a new version of VPC--it's obviously easier to run a virtual machine on the same architecture than on a different one (I'd guess cheaper to develop as well), and there is no VPC for Intel Macs yet.
 
Makosuke said:
there is no VPC for Intel Macs yet.
With Parallels as strong as it is, and the rumor of virtualization being included in 10.5, I'm wondering if Microsoft will even bother with VPC for Intel Macs.
 
BWhaler said:
You know, I started reading this post, and I felt stupid for buying Parallels.

With Parallels, you are equipped to run almost any OS under OS X. Don't forget too that something may come out that you really do want or need to run in the future. I don't use Data Rescue a lot, but I am glad I bought it for when I do need it. You'll be glad you have Parallels. It is an amazing utility that opens up many possibilities. As you said, it is good to have options, and I am sure you will use it.
 
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