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Over a dozen parental control app developers have come together with a shared message for Apple: it's "time to put kids first."

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Together, they have launched a new website called Screen Time API that urges Apple to release a public API granting developers access to the same functionalities that iOS 12's Screen Time feature uses. The developers have even proposed their own API, complete with samples of code and a diagram of how it would work.

"Protecting children online and teaching them good technology use habits are some of the biggest challenges facing modern parents," the developers plea. "That's why developers need a cross platform, open screen time API."

The website, shared by The New York Times and The Verge, is a joint effort by OurPact, Kidslox, Qustodio, Screen Time Labs, Safe Lagoon, MMGuardian, Boomerang, Family Orbit, Netsanity, unGlue, Mobicip, Activate Fitness, Parents Dans Les Parages, Lilu, FamilyTime, Bosco, and Tittle.

The developers were encouraged to act by Tony Fadell, a former Apple executive known as the "Father of the iPod." Fadell backed the developers in a series of tweets, and according to The New York Times, he also said he would help "push" their message "out to the world," adding "just make sure it's done BEFORE WWDC."

The campaign comes a month after The New York Times reported that Apple had removed or restricted many of the most popular screen time and parental control apps on the App Store since launching its own Screen Time feature in iOS 12 last year, raising concerns over potentially anticompetitive behavior.


Apple was quick to respond, stating that it became aware over the last year that some parental control apps were using a technology called Mobile Device Management or "MDM" that puts users' privacy and security at risk.

"Contrary to what The New York Times reported over the weekend, this isn't a matter of competition," wrote Apple. "It's a matter of security."

MDM technology is intended for enterprise users to manage their company-owned devices, and Apple says the use of MDM by consumer-focused apps carries privacy and security concerns that resulted in Apple addressing the situation in its App Store review guidelines in mid-2017.

Apple added that when it found out about these App Store guideline violations, it communicated with the necessary developers, giving them 30 days to submit an updated app to avoid being removed from the App Store.

Many developers quickly refuted parts of Apple's press release, with OurPact claiming that its parental control app for children was removed from the App Store on October 6, 2018 without any prior communication from Apple, just three weeks after iOS 12 was publicly released with Screen Time.

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Three other developers added that Apple was slow to respond and did not provide any resolution for the sudden guideline violations.

Apple has yet to indicate whether it will release a public API for Screen Time. While it is certainly possible that Apple could announce that it will offer such an API at its WWDC 2019 keynote next week, on short notice, no rumors have indicated that the API is coming in the initial release of iOS 13.

Article Link: Parental Control App Developers Urge Apple to 'Put Kids First' by Releasing Screen Time API
 

masterleep

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Screen Time does work much better than I expected for an Apple service, but it badly needs more power and flexibility. For example, there's no way to allow games/entertainment in the evenings only.
 

ocyrus

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I don't get it.

They want to be able to control the system with an app that the parents install?

Theres no way Apple lets apps control the whole system like that. It's a hack waiting to happen.

It would be better for Apple to release better parental controls.

Or you know, don't buy your 13 year old an iPhone/iPod? Just a thought.
 

danuff

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Speaking from a developer point of view, why should WE be responsible for the length of time that a kid (or anyone) spends time in one of our apps? Apple has made an app for parents to control the amount of time that a device has to be a babysitter for their kid. It should be the parent's responsibility to learn that app and set limits for THEIR child, or did I read this article wrong?
 

Mikey44

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Well... this seems oddly timed given that they will likely release an api on Monday for this thing with the announcement of iOS 13.

Look at what we did! We did it!
 

realtuner

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Ah, yes. Time to pull at the heart strings and make this about the kids.

Just like government wants to use terrorists as an excuse to require Apple to make a way for them to monitor encrypted messages.

Always gotta find that one "cause" to justify what you're asking for.
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Speaking from a developer point of view, why should WE be responsible for the length of time that a kid (or anyone) spends time in one of our apps? Apple has made an app for parents to control the amount of time that a device has to be a babysitter for their kid. It should be the parent's responsibility to learn that app and set limits for THEIR child, or did I read this article wrong?

Because some developers want to make money by offering a service similar to what Apple already offers for free. And they expect Apple to modify iOS so they can do so.
 

thisisnotmyname

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Third party developers start campaign to remain relevant in the face of inevitable increases of base system functions. /s

That said, I don't disagree that screen time could become an API and perhaps there are value add things that third party devs can bring to the table. It may have even been Apple's intention all along to do so in time, it's not like they're "selling" screen time direct and afraid of third parties eating market share; those third parties would contribute to Apple revenue through services dollars if allowed to remain. Abusing MDM though was just asking to get themselves booted. That part doesn't surprise me a bit.
 

cyberdocwi

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I would like to see a master switch that would disable EVERYTHING except for telephone. No texting, no calculator, no camera, no location, basically make it a simple telephone and that's it. Guarded behind a special password that doesn't relate to anything else in the phone. Hook it into a timer function, so that it can go into lockdown at a scheduled time and place.

I don't want to pick apart the phone and find this and that. Let's lay it out like my electrical panel in the house. A big fat master switch, followed by individual settings.

If you wanted to make it sexy, force a voice pattern detection instead from one of the parents to compare against a pre-recorded message.

As a parent, I know that the world is different than when I grew up. Go to a shopping mall, and show me the pay phones. If you want to come to my high school, I can show you where the pay phones once were, and are now gone. Not all homes have land lines anymore, either, and using someone's cell phone is somewhat personal.

It makes financial sense for parents to pass down their older iPhones to the next generation.

Dad
 

nostaws

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Have you used screentime? You can do what you’ve described. You can make your kids iPhone into a phone and nothing else.

I keep my kids phone and iMessage on all the time. And limit access to other apps. I have multiple kids and depending on the age appropriateness of screen-time hours and social media my kids graduate to more access and services.

I’m actually quite happy with screen time. My biggest complaint is the layout of the parental side. It’s clunky. I’d personally like to see it in its own polished stand alone app. It is hard for me to recommend to a non techie person.

I’m pretty pro developer. I don’t have a problem with Apple keeping this one close to home.

I would like to see a master switch that would disable EVERYTHING except for telephone. No texting, no calculator, no camera, no location, basically make it a simple telephone and that's it. Guarded behind a special password that doesn't relate to anything else in the phone. Hook it into a timer function, so that it can go into lockdown at a scheduled time and place.

I don't want to pick apart the phone and find this and that. Let's lay it out like my electrical panel in the house. A big fat master switch, followed by individual settings.

If you wanted to make it sexy, force a voice pattern detection instead from one of the parents to compare against a pre-recorded message.

As a parent, I know that the world is different than when I grew up. Go to a shopping mall, and show me the pay phones. If you want to come to my high school, I can show you where the pay phones once were, and are now gone. Not all homes have land lines anymore, either, and using someone's cell phone is somewhat personal.

It makes financial sense for parents to pass down their older iPhones to the next generation.

Dad
 

cyberdocwi

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Have you used screentime? You can do what you’ve described. You can make your kids iPhone into a phone and nothing else.

I keep my kids phone and iMessage on all the time. And limit access to other apps. I have multiple kids and depending on the age appropriateness of screen-time hours and social media my kids graduate to more access and services.

I’m actually quite happy with screen time. My biggest complaint is the layout of the parental side. It’s clunky. I’d personally like to see it in its own polished stand alone app. It is hard for me to recommend to a non techie person.

I’m pretty pro developer. I don’t have a problem with Apple keeping this one close to home.


Hello,

We have, and we do use ScreenTime. I like the way you can customize Apps that are enabled and disabled. I agree it is somewhat clunky, but I am glad that it exists. But it also forces one to be granular in their approach; I am proposing a master ALL solution to set and be done with it.

I am looking forward to seeing the Mockup of the design. :)
 

Mikey44

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Huh? That's not rumored at all
Just because something isn’t rumored doesn’t mean they won’t do it. History has shown that Apple does its own thing for a year and then will release an api for it later on.
 

Rogifan

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Just because something isn’t rumored doesn’t mean they won’t do it. History has shown that Apple does its own thing for a year and then will release an api for it later on.
Why is this something 3rd parties should be doing?
 
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Defthand

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Always gotta find that one "cause" to justify what you're asking for.

Not unlike Apple's "privacy" trumpet so it can sell more Apple services and be a gateway for advertisers to reach Apple's customer base. Or Apple's "security" trumpet so that it can be the sole gateway to selling apps for Apple's iOS platform. Of course, we take Apple's word that their motives are genuine and don't have consequences for consumers.
 

Manchesterca

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Let's be clear here, this isn't an altruistic campaign, these are specific apps that want root level control of an operating system to monitor everything.

The fact that they backdoored a system to jerry-rig this to work in their apps in the first place, doesn't help their case.
 

realtuner

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Not unlike Apple's "privacy" trumpet so it can sell more Apple services and be a gateway for advertisers to reach Apple's customer base. Or Apple's "security" trumpet so that it can be the sole gateway to selling apps for Apple's iOS platform. Of course, we take Apple's word that their motives are genuine and don't have consequences for consumers.

One has nothing to do with the other.
 

JRobinsonJr

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Why is this something 3rd parties should be doing?

Easy. Apple will never be able to quickly address all use-cases. Third party devs can take Apple’s core capabilities and extend/expand to new areas.
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Let's be clear here, this isn't an altruistic campaign, these are specific apps that want root level control of an operating system to monitor everything.

The fact that they backdoored a system to jerry-rig this to work in their apps in the first place, doesn't help their case.

Wrong. Those devs were using the only option available... however misguided. They are not asking for any ‘root level control’. They are asking for an API.
 
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Appleman3546

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If I want an MDM app on my phone, I should be allowed to do so when there are clear disclosures. Instead, Apple removes competing apps for “security”, either because Apple thinks the consumer is too dumb to understand clear disclosures OR because Apple arbitrarily decided that it isn’t safe enough on my behalf without asking me. This would not be an issue if (during my 2 year iphone contract) there was a competing App Store to download from or even from the internet, especially when there are arbitrary Apple rules against their competitor apps.

Even if you truly think that MDM is a security concern to justify Apple’s decision, how can Apple justify the arbitrary in-app-purchase requirement or no-outside-linking-to-payment-webpages-inapp requirement for competing apps like Spotify (who have no alternative distribution method). Clearly, this is a losing battle for the monopoly Apple App Store and Apple is just buying time to build up their own subscriber base for services like Apple Arcade, News+, Apple Music, and TV+.
 

rk-apple

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Cannot turn off the TV app. Even with rating restrictions kids can still view thumbnail images for movies and watch previews for R-rated trash. I Just want to turn the app off. I can turn off iTunes Store, Books, Podcasts, News, etc. But not TV app. Why, Apple?

Have you used screentime? You can do what you’ve described. You can make your kids iPhone into a phone and nothing else.

I keep my kids phone and iMessage on all the time. And limit access to other apps. I have multiple kids and depending on the age appropriateness of screen-time hours and social media my kids graduate to more access and services.

I’m actually quite happy with screen time. My biggest complaint is the layout of the parental side. It’s clunky. I’d personally like to see it in its own polished stand alone app. It is hard for me to recommend to a non techie person.

I’m pretty pro developer. I don’t have a problem with Apple keeping this one close to home.
 

rjohnstone

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My biggest complaint with Screentime is scheduling.
You still cannot setup multiple schedules during the day.
I want to restrict apps during school hours (8AM-2PM), and then at night (10PM-6AM). Currently you cannot do that.
It's either or, not both.
App restrictions also need some refinement.
 
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