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I'll tell you what I dislike about the Dock:

1. Magnification, while sexy, isn't really usable, because icons move around and resize, so it's very hard to target anything accurately. This is especially dangerous if you tend to drag & drop thousands of files at a time. I once accidentally dropped a few hundred files into the Dock. Faced with the prospect of dragging them off the Dock one at a time, I had to go edit XML in the prefs file to eliminate them all.

2. It's not big enough to accommodate many icons without them all becoming teeny-tiny (thereby reducing the usefulness of the icon-centric Dock). Even at the 1280x960 or 1280x854 that I normally use, the majority of my icons are on the Desktop because the Dock is full.

3. Icons aren't in predictable locations, since the Dock adds new icons as non-Dock apps are launched, and it re-centers itself. So again, hard to train your brain/hand to go to a specific place for something when it might be elsewhere. This also applies to the Trash, which cannot be optionally pinned to a corner, nor placed on the Desktop.

4. The thumbnails it makes for minimized documents are often not easy to identify visually. For images it works ok; for web pages, text, or Finder windows, not as well. Likewise, folders look identical and you must tediously mouse around and read labels to tell what's what. The color labels you can set for icons in the Finder are ignored by the Dock, showing up neither for the icon, nor their text label.

5. The Dock behavior is non-intuitive for new users. For example, click and drag an object onto the Desktop or into a Finder window and a copy of that object is made (unless it's on the same disk, another UI inconsistency). But click once and drag something onto the Dock and it creates something akin to an alias, but it's not an alias (does not have an alias icon). Normally, of course, you have to Command-Option-click and drag to create an alias. Then if you drag something off the Dock, it disappears in a puff of smoke. Oh dear, did I just delete After Effects? Having used OS X for years of course I know the answer, but I've seen plenty of new users become confused with the Dock's odd behaviors.

6. They still haven't fixed the bug where descenders are chopped off the bottom of text labels. Granted, that's minor, yet annoying and curious for a company that traditionally prides itself on details such as that.
 
Actually, you'll find that as you move your mouse to an icon in the dock with magnification on, that icon moves to the place that it would have been normally when you reach it.
 
HiRez said:
Much as I dislike Thurrott in general, I think his review was quite fair and spot-on in most areas. It appears he genuinely likes OS X, and, unlike many reviews by Mac-centric sources, he doesn't blindly gush over it, pointing out nitpicks where appropriate.

He's right on the mark when he talks about Apple trouncing all over their own (previously-sacred) UI guidelines, something that's been bothering me for as long as OS X has been around; nothing wrong with evelving, but it's terribly inconsistent, with now quite a few different interfaces to be found within their own applications (we have Brushed Metal with the slightly-different QuickTime variant, 10.3 and earlier Aqua, 10.4 Aqua, Neutral Pro (FCP etc.), oddball hybrids like Garage Band and iPhoto, and now god-knows-what with Dashboard Widgets). It won't stop me from using OS X, but overall it's quite a mess. And sorry, but the Dock still sucks.

I completely agree...

The toolbar buttons, however, are bizarre looking and unlike the icons found in any other Mac OS X applications, another case of Apple trouncing all over its own user interface conventions. It's astonishing to me that Mac fanatics let the company get away with that.

I mean, I agree, but what does he expect us to do? Riot in Cupertino?

I wish Apple would be consistent with the brushed metal/stripes/plastic thing, or at least make it a user option! More distressing are the icons in Mail though... seriously, what the heck.
 
Dock vs Taskbar

I usually disagree with Thurott but he has a point when it comes to the start button/taskbar vs. the dock.

Let's imagine a first time computer user sits in front of a computer. What do they do in Windows first? Right they click on the start button where they will find all apps and systems settings. In OS X, how long does it take them to find an app that isn't in the Dock? I personally prefer the dock but I have to agree that the start button concept (also used by Linux desktop environments) is easier to understand than the dock for a newbie or computer illiterate. Yes, of course you can build your own start menu which is more flexible than the start menu in Windwows. However, a first time Mac user probably doesn't know this. And no, the apple menu is not Mac OS's start button anymore.
 
Zaty said:
And no, the apple menu is not Mac OS's start button anymore.

It is the thing that is most equivalent to the Windows start button, and it contains everything the Windows start button does, except for pinned applications (which the dock takes).
 
mac-er said:
It is the thing that is most equivalent to the Windows start button, and it contains everything the Windows start button does, except for pinned applications (which the dock takes).

Sure, but like you said yourself, it does not contain a menu to start apps. My point was that you have to start apps that are not in the dock from the finder which isn't really intuitive IMHO.
 
dferrara said:
I completely agree...



I mean, I agree, but what does he expect us to do? Riot in Cupertino?

I wish Apple would be consistent with the brushed metal/stripes/plastic thing, or at least make it a user option! More distressing are the icons in Mail though... seriously, what the heck.

Add another agreement to that. Amazingly, Thurrott is right on - who'd have thought?
 
Zaty said:
Sure, but like you said yourself, it does not contain a menu to start apps. My point was that you have to start apps that are not in the dock from the finder which isn't really intuitive IMHO.

Indeed... when I switched last year, it was rather annoying searching through the finder for apps (I didn't know about cmd-shift-A either, so there was quite a bit of clicking involved). Now that I have Butler (or Quicksilver, or LaunchBar, etc), things are much more efficient than they were under Windows. But I, as w/ many other Mac switchers, had to find this out myself, and for a few months did things the hard way. For switchers that aren't 'power users,' they may never go to a forum or whatever to learn about these things. I think Apple should either improve their out-of-the-box support for finding apps, or at least educate and/or bundle apps that do help.
 
I agree that the Dock needs improvements. I have 55 items in my Dock, and sometimes I spend a full minute finding one of them (yes, I do need them all). There's a saying by I don't know whom: "A word is worth a thousand pictures." Yep, if I knew that I can find "InDesign" at letter "I," I would have an easier time launching that app than hunting for it in the Dock.

Whenever I first train someone how to use Mac OS X, one of the first things I do is show them the Applications icon in the Finder sidebar, and drag that folder's icon in the Dock. They'll now have an alphabetical app launcher.

The Dock is great and intuitive for beginners who use maybe five apps, but power users outgrow it quickly. I hope Apple's working on a solution.
 
p03 said:
I agree that the Dock needs improvements. I have 55 items in my Dock, and sometimes I spend a full minute finding one of them (yes, I do need them all). There's a saying by I don't know whom: "A word is worth a thousand pictures." Yep, if I knew that I can find "InDesign" at letter "I," I would have an easier time launching that app than hunting for it in the Dock.


Try reducing the size of the magnifaction and logically ordering alike programs together.
 
kugino said:
he says about dashboard: "Um, right. Since PCs and Macs have had tiny utility applications since the early 1980's, it's unclear why Dashboard widgets can't simply work on the normal Mac desktop (which is how Konfabulator works, incidentally). Having to move into and out of the Dashboard to perform these tasks seems a bit unnecessary. Why segregate them like that?"

but one of our members here (can't find the thread at the moment) showed us how to do this...just press f12 or some key and you can use one widget on the desktop. this guy needs to do his homework before criticizing "absent" features, which are there if you play around with it enough
Actually, what he's saying is that Konfabulator makes widgets basically icons - literally ON the desktop at all times. Tiger, correct me if I'm wrong 'cause I'm not totally sure, only allows your to view Widgets when pressing the f12 key.

This, obviously, poses a problem with getting in the way of desktop icons which is probably why Apple decided to do the f12 thing.
 
You can place Widgets on the main desktop just like you can in Konfabulator.

It's an undocumented feature of Dashboard, or perhaps a bug. Who knows.

dashboard_2.gif
dashboard_2b.gif
 
HiRez said:
1. Magnification, while sexy, isn't really usable, because icons move around and resize, so it's very hard to target anything accurately. This is especially dangerous if you tend to drag & drop thousands of files at a time. I once accidentally dropped a few hundred files into the Dock. Faced with the prospect of dragging them off the Dock one at a time, I had to go edit XML in the prefs file to eliminate them all.
System Preference > Dock > deselect Magnification

2. It's not big enough to accommodate many icons without them all becoming teeny-tiny (thereby reducing the usefulness of the icon-centric Dock). Even at the 1280x960 or 1280x854 that I normally use, the majority of my icons are on the Desktop because the Dock is full.
It's easy enough to create folders and drop them into the right side. Left-click on the folder, select desired app/file/folder/script. I leave only the 25 most-used apps in the dock; the rest i can find in the Applications and Utilities folders that I keep in the dock.

3. Icons aren't in predictable locations, since the Dock adds new icons as non-Dock apps are launched, and it re-centers itself. So again, hard to train your brain/hand to go to a specific place for something when it might be elsewhere. This also applies to the Trash, which cannot be optionally pinned to a corner, nor placed on the Desktop.
While the icons aren't fixed, they stay pretty much where you'd expect. The trash will always be at the right end of the dock, the finder at the left end, etc. Even if you open non-dock apps, the icons will only shift a few pixels. If that's disorienting for you, well...

4. The thumbnails it makes for minimized documents are often not easy to identify visually. For images it works ok; for web pages, text, or Finder windows, not as well. Likewise, folders look identical and you must tediously mouse around and read labels to tell what's what. The color labels you can set for icons in the Finder are ignored by the Dock, showing up neither for the icon, nor their text label.
I agree with you here that the minimized windows in the dock are pretty useless. But with Expose, I rarely feel the need to minimize windows, which I find inefficient anyways.

5. The Dock behavior is non-intuitive for new users. For example, click and drag an object onto the Desktop or into a Finder window and a copy of that object is made (unless it's on the same disk, another UI inconsistency). But click once and drag something onto the Dock and it creates something akin to an alias, but it's not an alias (does not have an alias icon). Normally, of course, you have to Command-Option-click and drag to create an alias. Then if you drag something off the Dock, it disappears in a puff of smoke. Oh dear, did I just delete After Effects? Having used OS X for years of course I know the answer, but I've seen plenty of new users become confused with the Dock's odd behaviors.
I have to agree with you here too. But the Start menu in Windows does not operate in the same way as the desktop either. It's a 'launcher' as opposed to an extension of the desktop. But I can see where new users may have trouble distinguishing the two.

6. They still haven't fixed the bug where descenders are chopped off the bottom of text labels. Granted, that's minor, yet annoying and curious for a company that traditionally prides itself on details such as that.
Wow, I never noticed this before, but you're right, the dock chops off a couple of pixels.

p03 said:
I agree that the Dock needs improvements. I have 55 items in my Dock, and sometimes I spend a full minute finding one of them (yes, I do need them all).
See point #2.

Zaty said:
Let's imagine a first time computer user sits in front of a computer. What do they do in Windows first? Right they click on the start button where they will find all apps and systems settings. In OS X, how long does it take them to find an app that isn't in the Dock? I personally prefer the dock but I have to agree that the start button concept (also used by Linux desktop environments) is easier to understand than the dock for a newbie or computer illiterate. Yes, of course you can build your own start menu which is more flexible than the start menu in Windwows. However, a first time Mac user probably doesn't know this. And no, the apple menu is not Mac OS's start button anymore.
As far as I know, when you first start up a Mac, you're presented with a finder window, no? The sidebar in the finder is easier to find things than with the Start menu, IMO. Secondly, the first thing I'd do if I was presented with a blank desktop is to double-click on the Macintosh HD on the desktop which will open up a finder window.
 
Lacero said:
You can place Widgets on the main desktop just like you can in Konfabulator.

It's an undocumented feature of Dashboard, or perhaps a bug. Who knows.

dashboard_2.gif
dashboard_2b.gif

I love how you caught the ripple! That is sweet.

How did you put the widgets on the desktop?
 
If you have a lot of apps, I've found the fastest way to access them is by adding the Applications folder to the dock. Right-click the Apps icon in the Dock, and a list of all your apps gets listed. Type the first few letters of the app name and press enter. It'll launch the app. It may seem like a convoluted way to search for and open apps, but no, it is the fastest way with the least amount of mousing around or clutter.

For instance, to launch VLC, I just right click the app folder icon, type V-L and press Enter. VLC launches right away. Takes all but 1 second.
 
Lacero said:
You can place Widgets on the main desktop just like you can in Konfabulator.

It's an undocumented feature of Dashboard, or perhaps a bug. Who knows.

dashboard_2.gif
dashboard_2b.gif
Sweet how did you do that?
 
Lacero said:
You can place Widgets on the main desktop just like you can in Konfabulator.

It's an undocumented feature of Dashboard, or perhaps a bug. Who knows.

Looks like Thurrott got another one wrong then... :p
 
Maybe Quicksilver will become the next... erm... "feature" of 10.5. :D

Apple is like the Borg, eh? Resistance is futile (we have more lawyers!) ;)
 
GFLPraxis said:
There's multiple ways nowadays.

Right click on desktop, properties, appearance and settings.
Or
Start, control panel, Appearance and Themes, Display (SAME NAME! or you can click "Change the Resolution" which takes you to the same box).


Vs Mac:

Control Panel, Display.

Come on, can you HONESTLY say that
Start>CP>AaT>Display

is easier than

CP>Display

with a straight face?

Option+F14 (or Option+F1 for a laptop) will also open the display preference pane

HiRez said:
And sorry, but the Dock still sucks.
It may suck, but I've seen more WinXP screens with a dock than I have OSX machines.
 
7on said:
It may suck, but I've seen more WinXP screens with a dock than I have OSX machines.
Don't get me wrong: I love OS X and wouldn't trade one bit of it in for anything I've seen in Windoze...I just feel Apple started out with a few half-baked new (new for Mac anyway) ideas that could still use some polish.
 
HiRez said:
Don't get me wrong: I love OS X and wouldn't trade one bit of it in for anything I've seen in Windoze...I just feel Apple started out with a few half-baked new (new for Mac anyway) ideas that could still use some polish.
I agree, apple has been adding and experimenting too much.
The next release definitely needs to address consistency.
 
I was hoping Tiger would address all the UI inconsistencies but sadly, doesn't seem to be the case. Mail definitely is the direction I think Apple should be heading, with a clean look and going away from drawers (which I've always hated).
 
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