PC Gamers, You Got HOSED! (pre-WWDC'24)

[rezwits]

This is a little bit of troll HELL YES. Because the PC gamer community has ragged on the mac community for over 15 years, with this Nvidia crap!
Gaming is gaming, so shut up is what I am saying, (Which pc gamers have lately tho for the last 4 years since the advent of the M-series SoC) but PCs won that side, the gaming side of things, but I have always said, I'll just buy a console.
I see that the PC gaming community won in PC gaming those 15 years sure, but as far as the OS battle and which Development platform to use battle, Apple has clearly won that, and are vastly superior.
But the time has come for a new battle, the NPU PC battle with AI commitments in full force, and let's see how this showdown fairs over the next 15 years! I say pick your horse... hehe (gees can't I have fun?)

 

[Huntn]

Robocop Rogue City, Palworld, Dead Island 2 and Control Ultimate Edition are coming too and so is GPTK 2.

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There are quite a few games I play that are not Mac compatible, I posted a list a few pages ago. That said, I’m happy that Macs are seeing more gaming, I’m just not happy with the price of a top gaming competitive MBP as compared to a gaming PC. That said, the last MBP I bought (2016-$2000) pathetic for gaming, but I use it for all of my routine daily computing.

 

[Queen6]

There are quite a few games I play that are not Mac compatible, I posted a list a few pages ago. That said, I’m happy that Macs are seeing more gaming, I’m just not happy with the price of a top gaming competitive MBP as compared to a gaming PC. That said, the last MBP I bought (2016-$2000) pathetic for gaming, but I use it for all of my routine daily computing.

That's my sentiment I'm not prepared to junk my games to jump platform. Have a lot of games, many now well out of circulation, some are a handful to keep running. I'll always find a way to keep em up and running...

Sure you can game on Mx Mac's, at a price but with significant limitations...

Q-6

 

[Queen6]

This is a little bit of troll HELL YES. Because the PC gamer community has ragged on the mac community for over 15 years, with this Nvidia crap!
Gaming is gaming, so shut up is what I am saying, (Which pc gamers have lately tho for the last 4 years since the advent of the M-series SoC) but PCs won that side, the gaming side of things, but I have always said, I'll just buy a console.
I see that the PC gaming community won in PC gaming those 15 years sure, but as far as the OS battle and which Development platform to use battle, Apple has clearly won that, and are vastly superior.
But the time has come for a new battle, the NPU PC battle with AI commitments in full force, and let's see how this showdown fairs over the next 15 years! I say pick your horse... hehe (gees can't I have fun?)

Super simple the Mac user base is simply too small for most game studios to be willing to take on the risk. While Apple's Mx is a game changer, it's not for gaming if for no other reason than gaming on a Mac is simply exponentially more expensive than on a PC or even a Linux box which is becoming ever more viable for the technically minded.

Truth be know the publisher's all want us on consoles as that puts them firmly in control so they can milk the meek. Thankfully the PC gamer crowd wont put up with that ****. They speak out loud & harshly... You want more games on Mac's you need to be putting it to Apple & publisher's, not the players. Mac vs PC? time to check your shoe size...

I game on both the M1 Mac & the PC and Intel based Mac's in the past. Gaming is gaming, remember this "united we stand, divided we fall" that's how it is. To answer to your question many Mac users tend to look down on PC users. Question is do you want to continue to breed that divide?

As for AI be carful what you wish for "cats the out the bag"...

Q-6

 

[bousozoku]

I've been thinking about all this for a bit, especially since I've seen some newer machines from ASUS with more recent AMD Ryzen processors. I don't feel that either my M1 MacBook Air or my ASUS ZenBook Pro with Ryzen 7 5800H is so terrible. They don't feel that different in performance because everything has come so far.

My last Intel processor was a 7th generation quad-core i7 and that felt just a bit faster than my 3rd generation quad-core i7, with a discrete Nvidia laptop GPU in each.

I'm sure that, when we're not playing games, we're making comparisons about computer hardware. I've been doing that since my first computer in 1981.

If Apple had done something when WinG (and Win32s) became a library of routines on 16-bit Windows, it might have had competition when it became DirectX.

Nuvia/Qualcomm have a chance to change the momentum of Windows and, given the massive layoffs at Microsoft and Microsoft-owned studios, they have.

If Apple had ambition, other than the house and the car, they'd scoop up a number of innovative developers from closed studios, instead of just getting a few games on Mac.

 

[Queen6]

I've been thinking about all this for a bit, especially since I've seen some newer machines from ASUS with more recent AMD Ryzen processors. I don't feel that either my M1 MacBook Air or my ASUS ZenBook Pro with Ryzen 7 5800H is so terrible. They don't feel that different in performance because everything has come so far.

My last Intel processor was a 7th generation quad-core i7 and that felt just a bit faster than my 3rd generation quad-core i7, with a discrete Nvidia laptop GPU in each.

I'm sure that, when we're not playing games, we're making comparisons about computer hardware. I've been doing that since my first computer in 1981.

If Apple had done something when WinG (and Win32s) became a library of routines on 16-bit Windows, it might have had competition when it became DirectX.

Nuvia/Qualcomm have a chance to change the momentum of Windows and, given the massive layoffs at Microsoft and Microsoft-owned studios, they have.

If Apple had ambition, other than the house and the car, they'd scoop up a number of innovative developers from closed studios, instead of just getting a few games on Mac.

Apple has no interest other than keeping the backburner on in the event of needing another revenue stream Sad as the Mx Mac's are very capable. While I only have a base M1 MBP it too can game, however it takes some technical knowledge to do so with little to none coming out of Apple.

IMO, if Apple was to get into gaming outside of mobile it would produce a console so it could control all aspects. The Mac is too open a platform and Apple doesn't like open systems, equally Apple cant kill the Mac. In the meantime I'll keep finding workarounds and enjoy the best of both worlds on Mac & PC...

Doom 3 as you've never seen before...

It's a 20 year old game, however the game engine and graphics are very much from 2024 and is stunning on the M1 MBP....

The likes of EA & Microsoft shuttering studios only serves make me avoid their brands as they are clearly only in it for the $. You buy, you play for as long as you want. Companies that view their customers as ATM's can kiss it as they will never see a penny from me. If more took the same stance gaming would be a dam sight better, not the crap shoot it is today.

Q-6

 

[bousozoku]

Apple has no interest other than keeping the backburner on in the event of needing another revenue stream Sad as the Mx Mac's are very capable. While I only have a base M1 MBP it too can game, however it takes some technical knowledge to do so with little to none coming out of Apple.

IMO, if Apple was to get into gaming outside of mobile it would produce a console so it could control all aspects. The Mac is too open a platform and Apple doesn't like open systems, equally Apple cant kill the Mac. In the meantime I'll keep finding workarounds and enjoy the best of both worlds on Mac & PC...

Doom 3 as you've never seen before...
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It's a 20 year old game, however the game engine and graphics are very much from 2024 and is stunning on the M1 MBP....

The likes of EA & Microsoft shuttering studios only serves make me avoid their brands as they are clearly only in it for the $. You buy, you play for as long as you want. Companies that view their customers as ATM's can kiss it as they will never see a penny from me. If more took the same stance gaming would be a dam sight better, not the crap shoot it is today.

Q-6

I don't know. Apple did help Bandai produce a console for Japan. They didn't give it much help, obviously.

I'm just tired. Even the games don't seem to help any longer. Then again, I treat some games like work, keeping up with them daily. I really need that simple life in remote Thailand weaving baskets that I mentioned when I was 19.

 

[dmccloud]

What? You guys (pc-ers) dumped tons of time and money into these platforms, and it's like they (the above companies) could give a rats ass... they are showing their true colors in these latter days that all they cared about was money, power and the a.i. (super) powered holy grail of computing.
(But I know, I know, obviously obviously this is where all of our computing dreams have been heading but...)
Gaming please that was just a means to this END... I am just not a big gamer and I feel my investments in Apple's Ecosystem was the better "bet" 15 years ago...

You should have prefaced that entire post with "this is my opinion", because nothing is that simple to assess. The facts are that PC gaming is the one area still growing post COVID lockdowns, as many users who were buying PCs to work from home have since returned to the office. This is true both for prebuilt systems and the PC building segment of the market. Here is a chart showing the revenue and growth/decline of the gaming market across all platforms in 2023 - PC Gaming outpaced everything else in terms of growth, including mobile and console:




I built my gaming PC and went with an all-AMD build (Ryzen 9 CPU, Radeon 6800XT GPU) in part because Intel can DIAF for all I care. But that is because Intel has sucked at innovating in the PC space for years even outside the gaming space. The other consideration (which your original post never even mentions) is that the PC space by definition can not be primarily gaming-focused as PC gaming is still a small segment of the overall user base. This is why AMD has their X3D line of CPUs aimed at the gaming market while also having CPUs such as the Ryzen 9 7950X which target the productivity market over the gaming market (although they also handle gaming with little to no issue).

 

[Macalicious2011]

This is why AMD has their X3D line of CPUs aimed at the gaming market

This like of cpu are epic. It’s unbelievable how powerful but cool my 5800x3d is.

 

[Queen6]

I don't know. Apple did help Bandai produce a console for Japan. They didn't give it much help, obviously.

I'm just tired. Even the games don't seem to help any longer. Then again, I treat some games like work, keeping up with them daily. I really need that simple life in remote Thailand weaving baskets that I mentioned when I was 19.

I mostly only play single player, so I play at my leisure. If a game becomes a chore it defeats it's purpose, I play what appeals to me. I dont care about the trends and certainly have zero interest in games as a service...

As for Thailand it comes well recomended 😄

Q-6

 

[rezwits]

I built my gaming PC and went with an all-AMD build (Ryzen 9 CPU, Radeon 6800XT GPU) in part because Intel can DIAF for all I care. But that is because Intel has sucked at innovating in the PC space for years even outside the gaming space. The other consideration (which your original post never even mentions) is that the PC space by definition can not be primarily gaming-focused as PC gaming is still a small segment of the overall user base. This is why AMD has their X3D line of CPUs aimed at the gaming market while also having CPUs such as the Ryzen 9 7950X which target the productivity market over the gaming market (although they also handle gaming with little to no issue).

That is beautiful. I too can't stand Intel, NVIDIA meh (prices), but Intel sitting back for 10 years doing practically nothing pisses me off...

 

[eltoslightfoot]

Mac (even the Apple Silicon models) are so inefficient at gaming, that I find it more cost effective to have a 16GB MacBook Air/Pro (currently have a 13” M1 MBP 16GB RAM) coupled with a deal (they are out there) on a gaming laptop/PC. I got a refurbed RTX 4060 13th gen Intel with all the trimmings for $999 on Acer’s EBay store (Acer Predator 16” 1440p screen 16GB RAM 4060).

Combined price $2300 or so.

Contrast that with how much MacBook I would have had to buy to even remotely play BG3 at 60 FPS. We are talking 16” Max and the like. Thousands and thousands of dollars more.

So am I disappointed in MS, Intel, and Nvidia? Nah, it’s all good. At least I can get deals over there.