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PC owners are dumb
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You can't say 'PC owners suck'! 
I use a PC all the time, as well as my mac, they both have their advantages.
You could not possibly argue that Mac's beat PC's for compatibility, there is soooooo much software and hardware out for them in comparison to the mac, don't get me wrong, Mac's RoCk, but PC's have their place too.
Personally, I could not get along without a PC...erm...or my mac!
What can I say, I love both!
I use a PC all the time, as well as my mac, they both have their advantages.
You could not possibly argue that Mac's beat PC's for compatibility, there is soooooo much software and hardware out for them in comparison to the mac, don't get me wrong, Mac's RoCk, but PC's have their place too.
Personally, I could not get along without a PC...erm...or my mac!
What can I say, I love both!
I never meant to mean that Macs are bad at gaming, only that PCs are better. Honestly, if someone walked up to you and said, "I want to buy a computer just to game with. Which platform is better for gaming PC or Mac?" There's no way you could say Mac. And until more developers start making games for the Mac then that's never gonna change.
Lethal
Re: Re: Re: G4 400 for $3000?
You're right, my comparison is flawed. I paid beacoup bucks back when my G4 was "top of the line" and yet my friend bought a PC that was "top of the line" then but isn't now, so he got it for a lot less.
I guess my point was the fact that a PC that was produced back then still cranks out Q3A a LOT faster than my G4 which was still probably about 1.5 times the amount of that PC when it was new, and yet the graphics card sucks.
The new graphics cards in the PowerMacs seem to be pretty powerful, which means whenever I upgrade to a new computer some day (SOME DAY ), Q3A will no longer be a problem so I'll have to find something else to bitch about! Hehe.
You're right, my comparison is flawed. I paid beacoup bucks back when my G4 was "top of the line" and yet my friend bought a PC that was "top of the line" then but isn't now, so he got it for a lot less.
I guess my point was the fact that a PC that was produced back then still cranks out Q3A a LOT faster than my G4 which was still probably about 1.5 times the amount of that PC when it was new, and yet the graphics card sucks.
The new graphics cards in the PowerMacs seem to be pretty powerful, which means whenever I upgrade to a new computer some day (SOME DAY
), Q3A will no longer be a problem so I'll have to find something else to bitch about! Hehe. My opinion is not that PC's are better in anything... far from that, the mac architecture is better in every way, there is no IRQ limits, remember the PC 640k memory limit? and then the 1024k? Windows registry, dll's etc... The PC is in fact a bunch of patches to overcome many limits. Macs have no reasons to be bad gaming machines, especially because they have the same video chips... The problem is what you have to buy to get a decent Mac... This is simply to represent the reasons why the mass won't move to the Mac, Apple must make a monitorless iMac and a scrollwheel mouse.. etc
Originally posted by Hemingray
Monitorless iMac?
well now it would be considered a display-less iMac....he he he
PC users aren't dumber than Mac users. That kind of statement just shows your own ignorance. Maybe we PC users made a poor decision at some point or for whatever reason prefer PC's, but that is not a very good indicator of intelligence. I for one can say pretty confidently that almost all of the bell curve is behind me, and I have a PC. (Then again, maybe the statement is true considering I'm going to buy a mac soon...??)
Windows and Cats.
If any of you remember the "work" of BF Skinner you may find this amusing.
There were once experiments done for psych studies in which cats (and various other furry creatures) were put into kennels with electrified grids in the floor. The cats would be zapped under a variety of conditions and for any or no reason in a variety of structured tests.
The results were predictably obvious:
The cats exhibited agression and anxiety. Depending on exactly what the methodology was for a particular cat it occasionally became impossible for the animals to function without getting zapped every now and then.
This is how I see M$'s OS. Their users aren't less intelligent......just more conditioned. They can't fuction without the looming BSOD.
If any of you remember the "work" of BF Skinner you may find this amusing.
There were once experiments done for psych studies in which cats (and various other furry creatures) were put into kennels with electrified grids in the floor. The cats would be zapped under a variety of conditions and for any or no reason in a variety of structured tests.
The results were predictably obvious:
The cats exhibited agression and anxiety. Depending on exactly what the methodology was for a particular cat it occasionally became impossible for the animals to function without getting zapped every now and then.
This is how I see M$'s OS. Their users aren't less intelligent......just more conditioned. They can't fuction without the looming BSOD.
Re: Re: Windows and Cats.
Ironic wording there... It's: Blue Screen Of Death. A M$ core dump resulting in a blank blue screen and the need for a complete re-install.
Ironic wording there...
It's: Blue Screen Of Death. A M$ core dump resulting in a blank blue screen and the need for a complete re-install.Oh good gracious, I know the blue screen of death, I just never had seen it as an acronym. BSOD... that's good.
So, anyone here want to buy my Compaq? It's a really crappy, looks terrible, has no firewire or ie3.b whatever, and crashes all the time? I'll part with it for a very reasonable price.
Wow, I'm over a hundred posts. Freaky.
So, anyone here want to buy my Compaq? It's a really crappy, looks terrible, has no firewire or ie3.b whatever, and crashes all the time? I'll part with it for a very reasonable price.
Wow, I'm over a hundred posts. Freaky.
Ahhhhh...the ubiquitous BSOD...floowed only in frequency by the "Three-finger-salute"!
I cringe when I recall my days troubleshooting my PC and it's random hardware and OS errors...
I think the cat example is very illustrative of the situation. People have been conditioned to put up with the hassles of Windows.
For example, if you have a single-speed bike, like a beach cruisier or BMX, that you ride all the time up this big hill, you would be used to pedalling your ass off or getting off to walk it up the hill. If no-one ever told you about multiple-speed bikes, you wouldn't know what you were missing. And if 95% of people used single-speed bikes and told you multiple-speed bikes weren't as good as single-speed bikes you would believe them and not get something else, even though in reality it would save you time and effort in trying to get up the hill...
I cringe when I recall my days troubleshooting my PC and it's random hardware and OS errors...
I think the cat example is very illustrative of the situation. People have been conditioned to put up with the hassles of Windows.
For example, if you have a single-speed bike, like a beach cruisier or BMX, that you ride all the time up this big hill, you would be used to pedalling your ass off or getting off to walk it up the hill. If no-one ever told you about multiple-speed bikes, you wouldn't know what you were missing. And if 95% of people used single-speed bikes and told you multiple-speed bikes weren't as good as single-speed bikes you would believe them and not get something else, even though in reality it would save you time and effort in trying to get up the hill...
Lets Compare Windoze vs Mac OS
In this corner we have an old iMac running Mac OS 8.6 (yes yes, old news - but it really reinforces the point and its working just fine) and in the other corner Windoze 95 via Virtual PC (pretty much the same software-wise as a real PC).
Now imagine you are told to hook up a cell phone to the iMac because the phone line is down and we really need to use dialup software to talk to the Wells Fargo Business Gateway (bank account software for business, Windoze only of course).
Fine. We already have a DB9 - USB adaptor for other legacy reasons. Plug it in, plug in the Sprint PCS phone to DB9 cable. Open the Modem control panel and select the uConnect. Select the modem script for the cell phone previously installed (actually the only thing for the Sprint cell phone installed).
Open a PPP connection, bam it works. Took me longer to find the uConnect than anything else.
Now on to VPC. Well of course the Sprint phone has a ton of Windoze crapware to install (to make it work I guess) so it gets dumped in. Now VPC is told about the uConnect on COM Port 2 to keep the default modem setting intact. Big whoop. Not exactly obvious to most users and more of a hassle saver for later when the phone is working. Same principle as on the Mac side although the labels are more cryptic in Windoze. COM port? How about Serial Port or Modem Port? *sigh*
Now we need to get the Wells Fargo software, which uses a custom dialer, to "see" the Sprint phone/modem. Sorry that won't work. There is no Sprint modem script file for the custom dialer (I guess there is no modem scripts folder standard in Windoze 95?). Okay try to find a modem script, nope where would it be? Screw it. Get out the Sprint phone's User Guide book (first time!) and flip through. Ah gotta "add" the modem to Windoze, but what did I just install?
Okay do that. Wait... Wow it can't find the phone (even though its plugged in) so you have to select it from a list. Why is there an installer at all? I have to do everything. Wait... Okay its in there (I guess)? Go back to the Wells Fargo dialer. No dice. Still doesn't "see" the cell phone/modem and no modem script found. Nothing at all lists available hardware like on the Mac. Everything is a generic option for cryptic things that may/may not be there; COM 1...COM 4.
Now what? I make a new modem script entry. How? I open the Mac's modem script file and get the init string on the Mac side. How many people whould know this? Still won't work. Dig through the book looking for serial port settings (ah Even, 8 bit no parity, hardware flow control - totally opposite of what it was set for). Found this on the very last page, for techs quick reference I guess. Keep tweaking until the dialer itself dials up. Progress after 30 minutes of twidling!
Okay now it dials up. Oops! It won't actually connect the Wells Fargo sepcial crapware browser over the special "secure" dialup connection. More tweaking, still no dice.
Great.
45 minutes worth of Windoze hell and it still will not work! Perhaps cell phones are blocked by the secure dialup system? Perhaps its just not configured enough? No idea. Just times out.
Even worse the cell phone has its *own* dialup/ISP on the Windoze side that it defaults to, its not just another modem by default I guess. I am sure that costs a bunch extra on top of expensive emergency data-over-cell time we would be using. Time to go home, I tried and did more than the average mere mortal users could have done (esp. with the modem script and serial port settings which practically no one understands or is even aware of).
At least we can check email and use the web on the Mac while the phone line is fixed (thank you ScrewUSWest!), albeit slowly.
If this is what Windoze users deal with all the time, thank GOD I have been using Macs my entire computing life (after starting with an Apple IIe clone)!
In this corner we have an old iMac running Mac OS 8.6 (yes yes, old news - but it really reinforces the point and its working just fine) and in the other corner Windoze 95 via Virtual PC (pretty much the same software-wise as a real PC).
Now imagine you are told to hook up a cell phone to the iMac because the phone line is down and we really need to use dialup software to talk to the Wells Fargo Business Gateway (bank account software for business, Windoze only of course).
Fine. We already have a DB9 - USB adaptor for other legacy reasons. Plug it in, plug in the Sprint PCS phone to DB9 cable. Open the Modem control panel and select the uConnect. Select the modem script for the cell phone previously installed (actually the only thing for the Sprint cell phone installed).
Open a PPP connection, bam it works. Took me longer to find the uConnect than anything else.
Now on to VPC. Well of course the Sprint phone has a ton of Windoze crapware to install (to make it work I guess) so it gets dumped in. Now VPC is told about the uConnect on COM Port 2 to keep the default modem setting intact. Big whoop. Not exactly obvious to most users and more of a hassle saver for later when the phone is working. Same principle as on the Mac side although the labels are more cryptic in Windoze. COM port? How about Serial Port or Modem Port? *sigh*
Now we need to get the Wells Fargo software, which uses a custom dialer, to "see" the Sprint phone/modem. Sorry that won't work. There is no Sprint modem script file for the custom dialer (I guess there is no modem scripts folder standard in Windoze 95?). Okay try to find a modem script, nope where would it be? Screw it. Get out the Sprint phone's User Guide book (first time!) and flip through. Ah gotta "add" the modem to Windoze, but what did I just install?
Okay do that. Wait... Wow it can't find the phone (even though its plugged in) so you have to select it from a list. Why is there an installer at all? I have to do everything. Wait... Okay its in there (I guess)? Go back to the Wells Fargo dialer. No dice. Still doesn't "see" the cell phone/modem and no modem script found. Nothing at all lists available hardware like on the Mac. Everything is a generic option for cryptic things that may/may not be there; COM 1...COM 4.
Now what? I make a new modem script entry. How? I open the Mac's modem script file and get the init string on the Mac side. How many people whould know this? Still won't work. Dig through the book looking for serial port settings (ah Even, 8 bit no parity, hardware flow control - totally opposite of what it was set for). Found this on the very last page, for techs quick reference I guess. Keep tweaking until the dialer itself dials up. Progress after 30 minutes of twidling!
Okay now it dials up. Oops! It won't actually connect the Wells Fargo sepcial crapware browser over the special "secure" dialup connection. More tweaking, still no dice.
Great.
45 minutes worth of Windoze hell and it still will not work! Perhaps cell phones are blocked by the secure dialup system? Perhaps its just not configured enough? No idea. Just times out.
Even worse the cell phone has its *own* dialup/ISP on the Windoze side that it defaults to, its not just another modem by default I guess. I am sure that costs a bunch extra on top of expensive emergency data-over-cell time we would be using. Time to go home, I tried and did more than the average mere mortal users could have done (esp. with the modem script and serial port settings which practically no one understands or is even aware of).
At least we can check email and use the web on the Mac while the phone line is fixed (thank you ScrewUSWest!), albeit slowly.
If this is what Windoze users deal with all the time, thank GOD I have been using Macs my entire computing life (after starting with an Apple IIe clone)!
Having a monitorless iMac defeats the purpose of it. The iMac is supposed to be an EASY TO USE, NO HASSLE SET UP COMPUTER.
DUH
Did I neglect to mention the rats?
Skinner also did electrified maze tests with rats. That would cover the above HW/SW/firmware chaos.
This way? (ZAP) Ouch! ........how about over here .........yeah I can smell the cheese now! (ZAP) Augh! **** the cheese! How do I get outa here!?!
Skinner also did electrified maze tests with rats. That would cover the above HW/SW/firmware chaos.
This way? (ZAP) Ouch! ........how about over here .........yeah I can smell the cheese now! (ZAP) Augh! **** the cheese! How do I get outa here!?!
Re: Mine was around 180.
Alex
Hahahaha... You said poop!Originally posted by mischief
Proof that one can be 25 with a mental age of 50 and still enjoy poop jokes like a 5 year old.
Alex
Re: Re: Mine was around 180.
I feel like I'm in an SNL Celebrity Jeopardy episode...
Alex Trebek: Let's see what our contestants wrote down. Marlin Brando, you chose to speak to a puppet in lieu of participating... maybe the PUPPET wrote down an answer. You wrote, "Poop". ... This must be a proud moment for you, Mr. Brando.
Originally posted by alex_ant
Hahahaha... You said poop!
Alex
I feel like I'm in an SNL Celebrity Jeopardy episode...
Alex Trebek: Let's see what our contestants wrote down. Marlin Brando, you chose to speak to a puppet in lieu of participating... maybe the PUPPET wrote down an answer. You wrote, "Poop". ... This must be a proud moment for you, Mr. Brando.
Re: Re: Re: Mine was around 180.
Sean Connery: I'll take "The Rapists" for 200.
Alex Trebek: That's "Therapists".
Originally posted by Hemingray
I feel like I'm in an SNL Celebrity Jeopardy episode...
Alex Trebek: Let's see what our contestants wrote down. Marlin Brando, you chose to speak to a puppet in lieu of participating... maybe the PUPPET wrote down an answer. You wrote, "Poop". ... This must be a proud moment for you, Mr. Brando.
Sean Connery: I'll take "The Rapists" for 200.
Alex Trebek: That's "Therapists".
re: dumb and IQ
i wonder what marilyn vos savant's iq is? and does she use a "stupid" pee cee or a "smart" mac?
for those of you who don't know, marilyn has the world's highest iq and has a nationally published question and answer column and this lady knows everything...what makes her more amazing is that she is self taught and she doesn't even have a college degree
i wonder what marilyn vos savant's iq is? and does she use a "stupid" pee cee or a "smart" mac?
for those of you who don't know, marilyn has the world's highest iq and has a nationally published question and answer column and this lady knows everything...what makes her more amazing is that she is self taught and she doesn't even have a college degree
Re: re: dumb and IQ
Well, she doesn't know everything....
http://www.wiskit.com/marilyn.html
Plus, there seems to be some controversy over Parade's claim that she has the highest IQ. I can't find it on Guiness' site.
Hmmmm....
Matthew
Well, she doesn't know everything....
http://www.wiskit.com/marilyn.html
Plus, there seems to be some controversy over Parade's claim that she has the highest IQ. I can't find it on Guiness' site.
Hmmmm....
Matthew
Re: re: dumb and IQ
well....I think this thread should be changed to "Windoze is Stupid" rather than the PC users being flamed....it's not their fault they are scared of Mac OS
ps: Marilyn Vos Savant has been listed in the Guinness Book of World Records Hall of Fame for her IQ score of 228.
well....I think this thread should be changed to "Windoze is Stupid" rather than the PC users being flamed....it's not their fault they are scared of Mac OS
ps: Marilyn Vos Savant has been listed in the Guinness Book of World Records Hall of Fame for her IQ score of 228.