pc reality

[mozez]

well, finally, other people then little spikey. i saw some interesting replys, some smart, some dumb. most of you have missed my entire point and missed things i have mentioned already. somebody said that i said osx didn't support multiprocessing, when i flat out said it did. ilm does use macs for pre-production, why? cause AS I SAID, they are easier to train on and as well, things like photoshop work better, and that's what you use for pre-production, why then, do they ue a pc? here's why, ilm has rooms of solid computers, wall to wall, why, they pack in as many processors as possible with a maya batch render, and let it go. with mac, you are limited, so far at least. square did the same thing, use pcs for the production and post production, use macs for preproduction. it's a system that works well. and as for money, wow, 100,000, big freakin deal man, when you work in the real world, and you are good at graphics, 10,000 grand is a 2 day job, and it's pathetic, 100,000 is a normal average job. easy ****. good jobs start going higher, take about 2 months and earn about 300,000 or more, depending on man power. you get these jobs only if you are the best, so keep workin at 100,000 a year man, if that's fine with you. anyway. personally, i'm still waiting on the final release of 10.1, which i ran off to my compusa, just to find out they wouldn't get them till sat, sucks. notice what somebody wrote, tests are for specialized machines. exactly, i was basing my tests, not towards the 90% of people that are just regular users, i was aiming towards the specialty group, the top notch group who lives and breathes speed. i wrote my article because of that front page i saw and i was offended by it's falsehood. the 90 frames per second versus 30 thing. i just wanted the truth to be known. and for the million of complaints about why 95, 98, and me do not use multiprocessing, is becuase why should they, multiprocessing is for the specialty people, the server people, the render people, the encode dvd to 3vix people. not regular users. is that a hard concept to grasp? i didn't think it was. yes, many of us use both pc and mac, why, advantages to both. i use my pcs for raw power, and gaming, (partly because games usually come out on pc first)all my graphic **** is done on my macs. so it's not a am i a pc person or am i a mac person. these tests weren't to piss people off, i'm sorry if some people find the truth hard to grasp. if you just ran out and bought a new quicksilver thinking that it is the best and nobody beats it a anything, well, you are wrong, BUT, it wasn't a bad investment, they are great for almost anyone, but looking at raw speed, that's all, it gets beat. ok? anything else? oh yes, and by beat, let's look at this quickly. we are talking seconds here people, sometimes points of a second, would you really ever even notice, probably not. other times we are looking at frame rates, if you can see the difference between 78 frames a second and 85 frames a second, i'd be more than impressed b/c the human eye can't even see that fast, so your game will not look any different. stop taking offense to this, if you want, do your research, even visit these places, find out. from now on, i will list my sources, be it websites, books, people, or newsletters. fine? good. if you want something, or question something, just ask, don't bitch,it just shows ignorance. for the peopel that understood what i was saying and wrote polite replies or even realistic replies, thank you.

 

[snowman]

Hey sweet! Do you read the story forum? Is there a life outside Marathon aswell? Man, you gotta get one thing straight here; Everything in Marathon is true! Do you really think that Bungie would just come up with something like that? Clearly God must have given them a vision of the future and they made a few games from the vision...

Originally posted by spikey
I will stop reading porn mags as soon as u stop masturbating over ur mum. You are proof that it kills brain cells.
As for me graduating from kindergarten, well u aint made ur way out ur mums pu**y u fu**ing aggrophobic geek, get out the house. stop debating how many star trek episodes there were with ur online buddies. go and replace ur double glazing for contact lenses. and get a f*cking life

 

[markseaton]

unfair

Wow what a bunch of losers, you all need to screw your heads on, NO ONE COMPUTER IS THE SAME

like
pc2400 DDR ram

and

266mhz bus

every componet of a system makes the speed, in games the video card is the only thing that makes a diff, in programes like photoshop the CPU, etc..

if one computer like a p4 is compared to a g4 there is NO way to mesure speed, if one computer has DDR or RDRAM or SDRAM PC133 or PC100 this alone can change the over all system performence, the bus speed does the same.

or comparing OS-X to Win2k or NT you can't they where all designed for diff jobs OS-X is a baby compared to NT or Win2k OS9 is like Win95 old system that is just now being replaced by a new OS.

Take this into account motorola's CPU the G4(aka 7540) is used in large rendering systems to make rendering of movies like pixars TOY STORY, some system us multiple CPU's in parrel sometimes hundreds of CPU's,

Apple has made some incredable computers the do what there where designed for very well PC's where also designed for a job to be Cheap!! i work with both systems everyday and clearly the mac makes life easyer it may not be the fastest CPU but a computer does not have to be FAST in just has to be efishent all you people have to stop trying to fight for ever megahert and start using the ones you already have..

Give OS-X time to mature in to a great system that os9 is after all os nine has been changed over 20 times os1 os2 os3 os4 os5 os6 os6.5 os7 os7.0.2 os 7.1 os 7.5 os 7.5.5 os 7.6 os 8 os 8.1 os 8.5 os8.6 os9 os9.0.4 os9.1 os9.2 os9.2.1 etc... it was always just one OS that was changed and updated over years and years i look forword to seeing OS-X.1 OS-X.2 OS-X.5 etc...

i am a mac user and i always will be

 

[akuma]

me too

i am a mac user and i always will be

amen

 

[spikey]

Snowman im not sure what ur trying to say.

Mozez ur just a little fu**head, why should people write u polite replies if u call us "jackass", go and fu*k off u tramp. You are just a biggot, egotist and u know nothing. And what u said about framerates clearly shows u know nothing about gaming, the difference between 78 and 85 frames per second will be very noticeable just like the difference between 150 fps and 200 fps if u have 7 guys shooting at u in unreal tournament. It doesnt matter whether the human eye sees so much ****. Go away and be quiet.

 

[mozez]

spikey the only one i was callin a jackass, was you. and if you have 20 guys on screen and your frame rate is 150, you will not, can not see the difference is say 155, 160, even 165. go in a book and read. the human eye sees at 29 frames per second, roughly 30 for most people. movies, tv, all of it is made at 30 frames per second, if they want to speed thing sup they make it 60, why? cause it still seems smooth even though you are only seeing 30 frames. why then do we want such high frame rates in games? because when you have 20 guys shooting at you in unreal tournament, it adds polygons and textures and your frame rates drop. the higher the frame rate the less chance of your games slowing or skipping around. if you sit and look at a wall in unreal tourny, and you are getting 78 frames per second, do they same thing going at say even 90 frames per second. their will be no difference. actually, do this, even better, look at one man stading and watch his motion, keep it there and now do the same thing with a higher frame rate of 10 or so frames per second. if you are an eagle and you fly around, maybe your eyes could catch a difference, but not a human. now, if you are talking lowr frame rates, like say 20-40, every frame makes a difference cause it's in your eyes ability to view and notice differences. the best you can ask for is a constant 60 frames per second consistantly without change, no matter how much is on screen. it was nice of you to again try and make it seem like you know something, but again, it makes you look like a jackass when i once again show you to be flat out wrong. i'm getting bored of this though, so this is my final reply to spikey, if anyone wants to have an real conversation, then please reply, no more people like spikey.

 

[snowman]

I totally agree with mozez here. If there's so much action in Unreal Tournament as you described, then you won't have that high of frame rates. If the action get's too intence the frames will drop. That's why it makes a difference. If you have a constant 60 fps when there's little action, then the fps will drop dramatically when the s**t hit's the fan. But if the fps is 60 or 160 while the s**t hits the fan, you won't notice any difference. I make console games for a living so I at least have a tiny bit of clue what I'm talking about.

 

[snowman]

Again, if you as in your example have a constant 150 fps versus 200 fps when there's not much action. Then when you have 7 guys shooting at you in UT the frames will change. 150 fps might go down to 30 fps and 200 to 60. If so you will of course notice a difference, since the eye can actually catch 60 fps. But you won't notice any difference between 150 and 200 fps.

Originally posted by spikey
Snowman im not sure what ur trying to say.

Mozez ur just a little fu**head, why should people write u polite replies if u call us "jackass", go and fu*k off u tramp. You are just a biggot, egotist and u know nothing. And what u said about framerates clearly shows u know nothing about gaming, the difference between 78 and 85 frames per second will be very noticeable just like the difference between 150 fps and 200 fps if u have 7 guys shooting at u in unreal tournament. It doesnt matter whether the human eye sees so much ****. Go away and be quiet.

 

[spikey]

For f*cks sake u thick bast*rd, what i said was just an example, ofcourse u cant see the difference between 150 and 165, the gap in fps wasnt relevant to my point. but the point which i was arguing with u about is the one about high frame rates not mattering, because the human eye seeing so much sh*t. well actually high frame rates do matter ... as snowman pointed out rather well actually.
Where you tried to point it out mozez u just failed to spot what my point was in the first place.
You are just one thick b*stard mozez, you even missed the point about "jackass", why should i be polite to you if u call me that? Infact why should any1 be polite to you if that is how you treat some1? Go screw yourself, you are dumb, you miss every point i try to make, you think you are so clever, you are pretty dumb, and you are an egotistical sack of sh*t. infact you should be ashamed to be a mac user.

We have just touched mozez ignorance, one more reply should confirm it.

[Edited by spikey on 09-28-2001 at 09:29 AM]

 

[mozez]

"We have just touched mozez ignorance, one more reply should confirm it." -spikey

well, it would be "we have just touched mozez's ignorance" see, when making a statement to try and make fun of somebody, especially when it's about stupidity or intellect, try and get it right. Now about your "point", i didn't miss it. See, if you would kindly read what i had wrote, you did not understand what it meant, others did, it was plain as day. You however, did not. no surprise. so the point that you tried and failed to make,further showing your lack of knowledge, had no backing. you were aiming to prove soemthing wrong when all you did was make yourself look like an ass, again. read what i wrote, then read the replies after, such as snowmans, and try and figure it out. then you may stop writing back as this issue is closed. you will never get it. and about being a mac user, i do more with my mac in a day then you ever will in your life, because i know what mine can do, that's why i bought it, you on the other hand, just got one cause somebody talked for five minutes on why macs are great and you ran out and got trying to be cool. not one have a made an egotistical comment, or anything of that nature. i'm sure you can think of many names to call me, but at least have some that make a little sense ok. if you want to say f**k you mozez or sh*t like that, fine, do it and have your reasons, but the forums are places for conversation and discussion, not calling each other names and just posting replies that are childish at best. "there are no stupid questions, just alot of inquisitive idiots"