The P4 does not knock out the Athlon. I've used both chips and i can tell you without a doubt, it's the other way around. Period. AMD have the fastest chip.
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If Apple is planning to go head to head on speed, I don't think this is a good idea. We might keep up in photoshop, FCP etc, but web browsing and just about anything else, we will get out buts kicked.
If I wanted speed, I'm sorry to say, I'd have a PC. But it's not speed I'm all about. I like speed, but I'm happy to fork out a few more bucks for a top-quality machine with a rock solid and super user-frienly OS.
Compare user-friendliness, not speed, Apple.
If I wanted speed, I'm sorry to say, I'd have a PC. But it's not speed I'm all about. I like speed, but I'm happy to fork out a few more bucks for a top-quality machine with a rock solid and super user-frienly OS.
Compare user-friendliness, not speed, Apple.
Re: Speed is secondary issue
Actually, yes. The pc has 5 mac emulators that I know of: Basilisk II, Fusion, Softmac, Executor, and that mac classic emulator I can't remember the name of. Admittedly, they only emulate 68k systems, but they're great for playing a game of Escape Velocity: Override
. It's kind of funny when you do benchmarks of the system and notice that your "68k mac" is running as fast as about a 1st-2nd gen imac .
Actually, yes. The pc has 5 mac emulators that I know of: Basilisk II, Fusion, Softmac, Executor, and that mac classic emulator I can't remember the name of. Admittedly, they only emulate 68k systems, but they're great for playing a game of Escape Velocity: Override
. It's kind of funny when you do benchmarks of the system and notice that your "68k mac" is running as fast as about a 1st-2nd gen imac .If Apple is planning to go head to head with PC they better price the Macs way lower than now. I can buy in Germany a P4/2Ghz 256Mb/60Gb/DVD/CdRW for EUR1100 + EUR200 for a Philips 17'' Monitor against 1500EUR for a 800Mhz EMac.
You can love OSX and Apple, but if you have a tight budget, well you can forget a Macintosh
You can love OSX and Apple, but if you have a tight budget, well you can forget a Macintosh
Not the most objective evaluation, is it? In truth, the fastest P4 IS much faster than the fastest Athlon. Compare a P4 2.53Ghz to an Athlon XP 2200+ and you will notice a difference in games and most other benchmarks. Basically, if you want the best system money can buy, you should get a mac; if you want the fastest system you can buy, get a p4 2.53Ghz; if you want the most cost-effective system, get an Athlon XP system.
In an attempt to settle the Athlon/P4 debate, the Athlons kicked the P4s ass when it was first released. The P4 has since gone through some revisions, and, of the fastest chips available from AMD and Intel, the P4 is without doubt the fastest.
Check out this review at Tom's Hardware. For those who aren't familiar with the site, at the bottom of the page you can navigate through a very detailed set of comparisons and benchmarks (I've linded to the conclusion).
Check out this review at Tom's Hardware. For those who aren't familiar with the site, at the bottom of the page you can navigate through a very detailed set of comparisons and benchmarks (I've linded to the conclusion).
PLEASE DO NOT FLAME ME!!! But you must look at this objectively and know this is a bad idea. Most users only care about speed and there is no way a mac can compete( as of this very moment) with pc's. If the apple store does the comparisons fairly they will make people run away from the mac. Most users do not use photoshop.... I repeat most users do not use photoshop. As of today the mac loses the photoshop battle. I think apple should stay away from this and focus on the ease of use of the mac. OSX is a delight and is very simple in its learning curve unlike its windows counterparts. XP is somewhat crashproof but it is nothing like OSX. This is what apple should focus on and keep pc's out of their stores if they are gonna do a fair comparison.
There are two responses to that:
1) Apple has killer hardware coming out soon which will make PCs look like crap.
or
2) Apple is just trying to highlight the ease of use of OS X, compared to XP, etc.
You always seem to focus on the hardware there thinkpad. Apple has some very cool apps that come with the computers, so that's another good item to show off, the lack of useful and fun iApps in the pc......
Re: Duke......
I'm not talking about the operating system, I'm talking about iMovie, iDVD, iPhoto, iTunes, etc. We'll probably have iChat by the time the PCs make it into the stores too. But I agree on the OSX issue, that would be a great demostration, especially with Jaguar
I'm not talking about the operating system, I'm talking about iMovie, iDVD, iPhoto, iTunes, etc. We'll probably have iChat by the time the PCs make it into the stores too. But I agree on the OSX issue, that would be a great demostration, especially with Jaguar
The iapps are ok.......
The iapps are ok but they are nothing compared to what you can buy with the money saved from buying a cheapo pc. The OS on the other hand cannot be equalled. That's why I didn't mention the iapps. I think OSX is the selling point. Heck it was the reason I purchased the tibook.
The iapps are ok but they are nothing compared to what you can buy with the money saved from buying a cheapo pc. The OS on the other hand cannot be equalled. That's why I didn't mention the iapps. I think OSX is the selling point. Heck it was the reason I purchased the tibook.
Re: The iapps are ok.......
I have to disagree with you there.
Let's put it to a test. You choose the apps you would buy with the money "saved" by not buying a Mac, and see how they compare to the iApps:
iTunes
iMovie
iDVD
iPhoto
I have to disagree with you there.
Let's put it to a test. You choose the apps you would buy with the money "saved" by not buying a Mac, and see how they compare to the iApps:
iTunes
iMovie
iDVD
iPhoto
Rower...
I wouldn't have to spend money to beat itunes. Did you know WMP can burn cd's, play dvd's and do the things itunes can do. So itunes isn't hard to match. As for iphoto I can spend $50 to $80 and buy paintshop pro and destroy iphoto. Painshop pro is compared to photoshop for a small price. I will continue to say OSX is the selling point. I bought my tibook about 6 months ago and OSX was the reason for that.
I wouldn't have to spend money to beat itunes. Did you know WMP can burn cd's, play dvd's and do the things itunes can do. So itunes isn't hard to match. As for iphoto I can spend $50 to $80 and buy paintshop pro and destroy iphoto. Painshop pro is compared to photoshop for a small price. I will continue to say OSX is the selling point. I bought my tibook about 6 months ago and OSX was the reason for that.
just jumping in on this thread...the idea of showing off an apple vs. a PC is neat. though do we really want apple buying all those pc's for their stores?
Apple should concentrate that issue at Circuit City, where they have both machines already, and get in w/Best Buy.
Apple should concentrate that issue at Circuit City, where they have both machines already, and get in w/Best Buy.
oh- we also need to tell the mac resellers to get compatative w/all the periphial hardware, ie a 50 pack cd bundle here in Huntsvegas at macresource is $49.99, dissappointing
Re: Rower...
Actually, you do have to pay to enable MP3 encoding and DVD playback in Windows Media Player for Windows XP.
And iMovie and iDVD...?
Actually, you do have to pay to enable MP3 encoding and DVD playback in Windows Media Player for Windows XP.
And iMovie and iDVD...?
iphoto isnt meant to be a paintshop pro or photoshop. that's like comparing iMovie to After Effects fully loaded. apple's target audience isnt going to want to do a lot of the stuff that you can do in paintshop pro (why do you think adobe made photo elements???) so iphoto works great for free. sure buying a cheap wintel box would save you cash, but that's another story.
Rower...
On my T30 I didn't buy anything and it works. I watched a movie on it ( using WMP) yesterday and made me some music cd's. I guess IBM did me a favor.
On my T30 I didn't buy anything and it works. I watched a movie on it ( using WMP) yesterday and made me some music cd's. I guess IBM did me a favor.
Re: Rower...
True, XP is kinda cool, but you have to admit that while it may have this functionality it does not do it nearly as well as the iApps do. I just made the switch to Apple from the PC world like you so I know you're just playing devil's advocate.
True, XP is kinda cool, but you have to admit that while it may have this functionality it does not do it nearly as well as the iApps do. I just made the switch to Apple from the PC world like you so I know you're just playing devil's advocate.
The thing that bothers me the most about the mac's pricing is not only that its more expensive than comparable PC-systems, but that here in Europe, macs cost insanely more than in the States. For example: the price in the US applestore for a dual Ghz is $ 2,999.00 while in Belgium, its 4233.79 euros (about $ 4,000).
I can understand that it would be a little more expensive here, but a whole f#@king 1000 dollar?? They should be ashamed of themselves! If they would just get those prices more on par that alone would already double their sales outside of the US...
numb_brain
Yeah, I agree. Basically, Apple's been hampered by the strong US dollar in foreign markets. I mean, here in Canada, a top of the line Powerbook G4 costs over $6000CAN!!! I doubt many people are going to be able to justify spending that much money on a laptop, when they can get a crappier pc laptop for less than half that price. Granted, the pc laptop sucks more, is uglier, and is going to have more problems, but it is HALF the price.
Apple is charging too much. They need to lower their prices before they can gain any significant market share.
Apple is charging too much. They need to lower their prices before they can gain any significant market share.