PCs Offer 'Better Gaming Experience Than 100% of Mac Laptops,' Intel Claims in Ongoing Anti-Apple Campaign

[Flight Plan]

The use of the plain grey t shirt every day? his closet looks like Peter Griffin's. Same with Timmy, Steve and pretty well every other apple employee in the spotlight. Craig uses blue button up shirts all the time, etc. HA HA.

Minimalists love nothing more than a few pairs of the precisely same jeans, and all shirts of a common color.

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Yeahh... If the product’s released in October, I usually hit F5 for the remaining 5 months.

You should automate that.

Thanks for the advice, I'm going to buy several more keyboards today so I don't wear out the F5 key before October.

Great idea!

So many fanboys on this forum that are unable to criticise Apple. You SHOULD be able to play games on Apple computers.

Wow, just because somebody won't turn on Apple in this, a single thread on a single topic, they're fanboys?

Oh yes, there are plenty if ways a Mac is ACTUALLY better than a similarly specced windows PC… remember the reports that the most stable Windows PC was running Windows on a Mac?

The old saying was, Mac is the best PC to run Windows, yep!

Exactly. It's like if CAT would make a chart where they have better equipment for digging than Ferrari. Totaly irrelevant comparison.

I want that in my driveway. A Ferrari digger. I would charge people to look at it, and I would charge them twice to start it up, and triple to dig a hole on my land!

I don't know what they're talking about, Chess runs fine on my Mac

Yeah, there you go!

While this may be true (for now), PCs run Windows 10 wich is an absolute basketcase hence why they disabled Windows 7 on new hardware.

This is false. Windows 10 runs fine.

Isn't AMD more of a gaming thing than Intel? I have a work PC with Intel and my own PC with AMD and AMD is a lot better. Really.

Yeah, the AMD is cheaper, but there're still a fair number of architectural issues with Mac.

No, that's not what it's about at all. I just built a new PC and I don't plan to upgrade it at all until I need a new one.

For me, it seems silly to replace everything with every upgrade.
But at the same time, plans can be laid to waste with a single lightning strike.

The CPU is faster, sure, but I don't care.

Less noise and less heat and I'm pleased.

And I can.....Factorio, Stardew Valley, Terraria, WoW, Starcraft 2, Tomb Raider, League of Legends occasionally. I can play plenty of games on macOS and I can play them just fine. Again, not EVERYONE cares about Call of Duty or Cyberpunk.

And please, stop with the fanboys comments here. I have criticized Apple for the 2013 trash can garbage and the laptop keyboards.

I agree. Can everybody stop with the Fanboy comments? I see that and I think, "he's trying to get people to just give up and go along with him just to end the argument." And the Fanboy-caller gets zero respect from me.

LOL, ouch.

This fact is confusing though. Why does half the population obsess over iPhones but have no desire to get a Mac? They speak so highly of iOS, spend thousands of dollars over the years just to have a shiny new iPhone but refuse to use Apple's best product; Mac OS.

WHY???

I'll tell you why. Windows 10 actually runs VERY WELL. Good enough for me!

...and since I frequent the PC gaming community I can also tell you that they were super excited about the M1.

I believe this.

This. I've been trashing Apple for the last 9 years since they started soldering everything together in their laptops. But the M1 chip in the new laptops has me excited for the first time in my life to get a new laptop...

Yeah, me too!

That's because they can get better, faster, cheaper. And still can. This isn't some kind of conspiracy or fanboyism, everyone knows PC hardware is better.

But an even bigger problem with Apple is that they DO NOT allow you to upgrade any parts. Gamers WILL want to upgrade their GPUs over the years. I've swapped mine in my hackintosh numerous times; GTX 960 > 980 > 1080 > 5700 XT.

Yes, you're right, but maybe with M1, this all changes and we don't need to micromanage our computer components from Apple. I'm willing to give it a go.

No, I meant that as regular users. Not just gamers. For example, my girlfriend has the newest iPhone. She's got the Apple Watch too. But still wants to use Windows.

Yeah, me too! But the M1 MBP has my curiosity up.

Then that's a ridiculous statement. How do you figure it would cost thousands of dollars to maintain a PC? It might cost you that much if you get the absolute highest specs, going beyond consumer grade. But to MAINTAIN?

HOW?

Yeah, I'm asking the same question.

Good grief. Go back and read my posts again. I was referencing the niche side of high-end PC gaming that are constantly upgrading to "maintain a PC at high rez and high frame rates".

My words:


It is pretty damn clear what I'm talking about there and at no point is that making a statement that it costs "thousands of dollars to maintain a PC", as in any/every PC. The words "not mainstream" should have clued you in.

Sorry, went over my head too.

And I would love to have the dolphins simply swimming into my living room. I really do.

Have you ever seen a dolphin light one off? OMG, make your living room a "No Pooping Zone", you'll thank me!

 

[germinator]

I will never buy an iMac. It's tremendously wasteful as a separate monitor can last 15 years or longer, while motherboard and processor need to be replaced more often.

This thing has a power adapter. That's a huge step back. Notice that the power brick IS NOWHERE TO BE SEEN in any of the photos on Apple's web site.

Non user-replaceable storage and RAM? A non-starter.

So my vote is 👎👎👎

But the Wired piece doesn't show a shred of evidence that Jony actually had any significant contribution to the new iMac design. He could very well have worked on it--another hit to Mr. Ive's already shattered reputation. It's time to completely sever any remaining relationship, for the good of Apple.

 

[cmaier]

I will never buy an iMac. It's tremendously wasteful as a separate monitor can last 15 years or longer, while motherboard and processor need to be replaced more often.

This thing has a power adapter. That's a huge step back. Notice that the power brick IS NOWHERE TO BE SEEN in any of the photos on Apple's web site.

Non user-replaceable storage and RAM? A non-starter.

So my vote is 👎👎👎

But the Wired piece doesn't show a shred of evidence that Jony actually had any significant contribution to the new iMac design. He could very well have worked on it--another hit to Mr. Ive's already shattered reputation. It's time to completely sever any remaining relationship, for the good of Apple.

Apple finally gives us an easily replaceable power supply, the component that dies most frequently, and you’re complaining?

sheesh.

 

[DeepIn2U]

I was referring to the general consensus that’s prevalent in the computing world during the 80s.

in context I’m referring to industries I’ve personally worked in that are globally very strong currently.

PC’s by licenses, infrastructure or by legacy or lack of choice STILL on the desktop are dominated by Windows, Servers is a split between Linux and Windows, Desktop secondary is MacOS and on a global scale for corporations that is about equal or lessor to Linux if you goto Eastern Europe.

In a corporation Windows is a vertical license tie-in beyond the end users‘ desktop. There is Visual Studio, SQL Server, ASP.net, etc etc. Apple or macOS, again for major corporations in the industries I’ve mentioned: Financial, mining, research/data-mining/analytical data driven is still primarily Windows.

over all besides our preferences etc, … Work is a task to get done - it’s people that gets work done, not computers or the OS. Without people nothing will get input for an output. Until AI becomes the desktop norm for all departments, that’s how it is.

 

[DeepIn2U]

Try here.

Why exactly does Apple use AMD graphic cards instead of NVIDIA?

Answer (1 of 10): Wrote a new answer, currently the old answer is below this. I plan to go through and clarify/condense/shorten things. As I tend to be overly wordy, and write things in confusing manners. This should happen in the next 48 hours or so. Writing a whole new answer (Original Answer ...

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This is part of what Nvidia was trying to pull in addition to some other things. As far as Apple’s concerned, I don’t even think there’s a hatchet to bury, Nvidia just doesn’t make a thing that Apple wants to buy.

Thank you.

But 2013 is a very LONG time ago, just 3yrs after Apple stopped using NVidia North/Southbridge for the 2008-2010 MB/MBP Aluminum models. Also I don‘t think Apple uses OpenCL anymore or barely. So currently NVidia vs Apple doesn’t seem to have any ’current’ beef? At least for Mac Pro the power per watt performance shouldn’t matter much considering the 2020 Mac Pro consumes power unlike the previous Mac Pro, close to what the G5 Power Mac used to consume. It dosen’t ‘feel’ like I’m wrong about the machines - but most likely I could be.

 

[quarkysg]

in context I’m referring to industries I’ve personally worked in that are globally very strong currently.

PC’s by licenses, infrastructure or by legacy or lack of choice STILL on the desktop are dominated by Windows, Servers is a split between Linux and Windows, Desktop secondary is MacOS and on a global scale for corporations that is about equal or lessor to Linux if you goto Eastern Europe.

In a corporation Windows is a vertical license tie-in beyond the end users‘ desktop. There is Visual Studio, SQL Server, ASP.net, etc etc. Apple or macOS, again for major corporations in the industries I’ve mentioned: Financial, mining, research/data-mining/analytical data driven is still primarily Windows.

over all besides our preferences etc, … Work is a task to get done - it’s people that gets work done, not computers or the OS. Without people nothing will get input for an output. Until AI becomes the desktop norm for all departments, that’s how it is.

The back end IT landscape is increasingly getting narrowed down to Windows (mainly) and Linux now, tho. I still see customers deploying Oracle RAC RDBMS on Solaris and AIX, but those are increasingly migrating to MS SQL server, with each revamp of their critical systems, mainly due to oversizing their requirements previously.

End users tho. mostly just need a browser and MS Office nowadays (excluding specialised fields like you mentioned), so it's increasing irrelevant what OS is used. I used to see all Windows deployments for end users, but nowadays I see macOS and Linux (mostly developers), likely due to device management solutions getting better at managing diverse end devices, and also the proliferation of BYOD in the work place.

Anyway, apologies for digessing from the thread topic.

 

[Bug-Creator]

Watch the 1st minute and it becomes absolutely clear what is is what with Intel and why they felt the need to post the hit(and miss) piece at hand.


If I want to game:
- iPad, Switch,WiiU and PS2 are right here
If I wanted to game a bit harder:
- I might hunt down a more current console
If I wanted to get "serious" bout gaming:
- I'd by some current AMD CPU and pair it with either NVidia or AMD GPU depending on budget and availability

Intel? Nowhere to be seen in this......

 

[pasamio]

Thank you.

But 2013 is a very LONG time ago, just 3yrs after Apple stopped using NVidia North/Southbridge for the 2008-2010 MB/MBP Aluminum models. Also I don‘t think Apple uses OpenCL anymore or barely. So currently NVidia vs Apple doesn’t seem to have any ’current’ beef? At least for Mac Pro the power per watt performance shouldn’t matter much considering the 2020 Mac Pro consumes power unlike the previous Mac Pro, close to what the G5 Power Mac used to consume. It dosen’t ‘feel’ like I’m wrong about the machines - but most likely I could be.

Once bitten, twice shy. NVidia showed their hand, the worst AMD has done was when ATI launched their press release before Jobs' presentation. At this rate they're lining up to go solo though I do still hope that there will be an expansion bus in the next gen Mac Pro's and support for adding in extra GPU power from AMD. That'd allow amazing out of the box graphics with the ability to extend it through what is coming to be one of the most powerful graphics platforms.

 

[wanha]

"The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated". --Mark Twain

While intel has to get it's stuff together, the pc industry rebounded during covid.

True, computers and semiconductors are not going anywhere. If anything, demand for them will continue to grow indefinitely.

This is why I am quite bullish on Intel as a foundry for other companies' chips, but I don't see much of a future for x86.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

Thank you.

But 2013 is a very LONG time ago, just 3yrs after Apple stopped using NVidia North/Southbridge for the 2008-2010 MB/MBP Aluminum models. Also I don‘t think Apple uses OpenCL anymore or barely. So currently NVidia vs Apple doesn’t seem to have any ’current’ beef? At least for Mac Pro the power per watt performance shouldn’t matter much considering the 2020 Mac Pro consumes power unlike the previous Mac Pro, close to what the G5 Power Mac used to consume. It dosen’t ‘feel’ like I’m wrong about the machines - but most likely I could be.

There’s no current beef, but, in the systems Apple’s making and selling the most of today, Nvidia isn’t competitive in that market. Before the switch to Apple Silicon, there was nothing Nvidia made that fits into their laptop big sellers (which is 80% of all the computers they sell). WITH Apple Silicon, they’re making their own graphic chips, so, again, Nvidia isn’t making anything Apple’s interested in. There’s no hatchet to bury, but, just like Intel, the interaction with the company showed Apple why they need heir own chipsets and that’s where they worked towards (and are now).

 

[I7guy]

True, computers and semiconductors are not going anywhere. If anything, demand for them will continue to grow indefinitely.

This is why I am quite bullish on Intel as a foundry for other companies' chips, but I don't see much of a future for x86.

I agree about x86, but it will die in about 40-50 years. There is way too much of a dependency for that instruction set. And who knows...x86 could live virtually in the future as just another cpu environment.

 

[SactoGuy18]

Look, in the end it all comes down to this: how much better will the graphics performance be with 16 cores (at minimum) on the M1X SoC. If the performance is substantial and will allow a written-for-Apple Silicon "AAA" game to run decently well, then it could be really bad news for Intel.

 

[mrgreen4242]

I want Apple to partner up with Steam and their Photon tech/service and build that right in to Rosetta 2. Get the Steam client on to the M1 native, and then tie it all together so that (nearly) any Windows/Intel only Steam game "just works" on an M1 Mac and see what happens.

 

[diamond.g]

Look, in the end it all comes down to this: how much better will the graphics performance be with 16 cores (at minimum) on the M1X SoC. If the performance is substantial and will allow a written-for-Apple Silicon "AAA" game to run decently well, then it could be really bad news for Intel.

That will be interesting to see.

 

[dandeco]

Macs supposedly having a "game deficiency" has been the target of countless jokes for a LONG time, including in this parody of the "Get a Mac" commercials from 2007...

 

[pacalis]

You're comparing quantity vs quantity+quality. iPad Pro mobile graphics quality is below PC low graphics quality. Try running Doom Eternal at ~400fps at ultra nightmare quality which is five steps above low.

It really isn't though. I way preferred both smooth gameplay and color saturation on my ipad pro than my fully kitted up 1080p ASUS Rog (which can do more than 120fps at 1080p but most monitors won't support that, and it huffs and puffs even at 1080p). The ipad was a better gaming experience. Also, that was 120p on a 2018 machine. It only shows how far ahead apple is in hardware and the possibilities for gaming.

Further, from what I've seen many gamers are using 1080p monitors and using performance mode, which looks terrible. Now if you're well over $2-3K in rig, your argument becomes that a $3000 machine is incrementally better than a $1500 machine, which is of course completely true.

In sum, the experience on a 2018 ipad pro was fantastic, though not class leading.

 

[pacalis]

I doubt it had the same shader features as a Xbox offers. It was a feature downgraded fortnite.

Hard to really compare given with these videos. The ipad pro is basically at 2K on a beautiful screen, whereas your youtube video is at 720p so who know what arifacts were created in that rendering.

Most players seem to play at 1080p and the new fortnite performance setting takes away most of the visual effects/shading and looks horrible.

 

[Alan Wynn]

I want Apple to partner up with Steam and their Photon tech/service and build that right in to Rosetta 2. Get the Steam client on to the M1 native, and then tie it all together so that (nearly) any Windows/Intel only Steam game "just works" on an M1 Mac and see what happens.

That would guarantee that no developer ever ported a game to macOS and therefore will never happen (and would be a bad thing for Apple to do). Once they have a competitive hardware platform, paying for a solid set of remastered games to supplement some new AAA titles would make sense, but only after they decide they really want to support AAA gaming with a unified ecosystem (a gaming focused AppleTV, controller support for iOS/iPadOS/macOS/tvOS and competitive machines in the MacBook Pro, Mac mini Pro, iMac Pro and Mac Pro ranges). Without that, it will not matter, not enough developers will find it financially beneficial to support them.

 

[DeepIn2U]

Watch the 1st minute and it becomes absolutely clear what is is what with Intel and why they felt the need to post the hit(and miss) piece at hand.


If I want to game:
- iPad, Switch,WiiU and PS2 are right here
If I wanted to game a bit harder:
- I might hunt down a more current console
If I wanted to get "serious" bout gaming:
- I'd by some current AMD CPU and pair it with either NVidia or AMD GPU depending on budget and availability

Intel? Nowhere to be seen in this......

I'm having a really hard time following the underlined wording that you typed and what you mean by it? honestly I'm confused.

All i got from the first minute zoomed in camera is 'triangles'. reminds me too much of the OG and 2009 remake of the TV show "V".

But I agree gaming:
iPad, iOS for very light casual even educational gaming,
Playstation for current games (Nintendo for classic super family and very young kids fun for gaming with family),
PC gaming I left a LONG time ago. Unless you have the qwaan (duckets, dinero $$) you're gaming fun is dimineshed. Playstation, XBox and similar consoles level the playing field so that skills shine, not the hardware.

 

[Gudi]

Yes, Apple is a competitor.
But no, Intel you aren’t a competitor.

 

[damphoose]

Um aren’t they just proving what Apple said. The chips Intel were making for Apple Mac’s were falling behind. Apple has been frustrated with them for years. Intel said that wasn’t true now they are saying it is.

What are they afraid of. Apple M1 really isn’t their competition.

 

[Velli]

iOS just called and said that you should stop insulting it’s parents. 🤓

For what’s worth:
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This is why apple don’t actually care all too much about gaming on MacOS. Apple plays the long game (pun intended). They don’t try to take away someone else’s market. They try to create a new market, that will outgrow the existing one. It’s always funny to me when someone says that Apple don’t “get” gaming. Yet they have the largest gaming platform. It just happens to be a different kind of gaming. In the same way, PC gamers roll their eyes when some say “real gamers use consoles”. If you look at it from a business perspective, casual gaming is becoming a much more interesting market than high-end gaming. If apple cracks the nut with proper support for IOS apps and games on MacOS (current support is crappy), it is a much more interesting gaming platform from a business perspective. PC gamers just have a way too narrow perspective on what “gaming” is.

 

[Velli]

Nobody buys mobile phones just for gaming.

Slightly OT, but many people upgrade their iPhone mainly due to gaming performance.

 

[Bug-Creator]

I'm having a really hard time following the underlined wording that you typed and what you mean by it? honestly I'm confused.

It shows that Intel themselves has no clue on what makes their products stand out over anything else and has thereby resorted to 100% empty marketing speech. Compared to keynotes by AMD and NVidia where you'd get actual info on product people would like to buy.

 

[diamond.g]

This is why apple don’t actually care all too much about gaming on MacOS. Apple plays the long game (pun intended). They don’t try to take away someone else’s market. They try to create a new market, that will outgrow the existing one. It’s always funny to me when someone says that Apple don’t “get” gaming. Yet they have the largest gaming platform. It just happens to be a different kind of gaming. In the same way, PC gamers roll their eyes when some say “real gamers use consoles”. If you look at it from a business perspective, casual gaming is becoming a much more interesting market than high-end gaming. If apple cracks the nut with proper support for IOS apps and games on MacOS (current support is crappy), it is a much more interesting gaming platform from a business perspective. PC gamers just have a way too narrow perspective on what “gaming” is.

From a business perspective free to play (with ads, or pay for loot boxes) is the way to go. The flip side of that is games on the scale of Divinity OS2 will be harder to justify making, without some means to keep you paying for things (or ads) in game.