Pegatron Reportedly Lands 50% of 4.7-Inch iPhone 6 Orders for This Year

[ptb42]

In the SJ biography, Jobs lamented the lack of a technically skilled workforce in America though.

There's no shortage of technically skilled people in the US. They just won't work for the wages that will satisfy technically skilled people in China.

Apple would have to compete with the other employers that also need a technically skilled workforce, and pay a high enough wage to draw them away and/or provide an incentive for new workers to invest in education to develop the necessary skills.

However, that would increase the price of iPhones (and iPads) and make them uncompetitive with Android phones that are assembled in China, Korea, Malaysia, etc.

Apple is using a contract manufacturer to build the new desktop Mac Pro in the US. But, buyers of that desktop are much less sensitive to price.

 

[Boatboy24]

iOS is limited and android is not...this is the only statement that they tell me...
I think Apple has the better customer service as well in my opinion

I would simply ask them what it is they are doing on their Andoid device that they can't do on an iPhone. As someone else mentioned, it's probably installing a widget, or customizing an icon. That is, if they can answer the question at all.

 

[ValSalva]

There's no shortage of technically skilled people in the US. They just won't work for the wages that will satisfy technically skilled people in China.

Apple would have to compete with the other employers that also need a technically skilled workforce, and pay a high enough wage to draw them away and/or provide an incentive for new workers to invest in education to develop the necessary skills.

However, that would increase the price of iPhones (and iPads) and make them uncompetitive with Android phones that are assembled in China, Korea, Malaysia, etc.

Apple is using a contract manufacturer to build the new desktop Mac Pro in the US. But, buyers of that desktop are much less sensitive to price.

I agree that an American workforce technically proficient enough to build iPhones would cost Apple more the same Chinese one. But in the Isaacson biography Jobs said there were not enough technically trained workers in the US at any price. His assessment.

I think the reasons Apple is able to get away with manufacturing the Mac Pro here are because of price as you mentioned and the smaller quantity sold which requires a smaller workforce.

 

[iolinux333]

Interesting isn't it.

How bit by bit, the nearer and near we are getting to launch, what's NOT going to be seen.

No Sapphire screen
Lack of 5.5" info

It's leaking more and more to quash expectations of what may be announced.
Funny that isn't it.

One could almost feel like someone is deliberately manipulating expectations

I see you had an Amiga 500. I had a 1000 hot rodded with wires sticking out all over the place and that had to warm up for 10 minutes to be stable. Anyway, I agree. I guess Apple needs a new Jobs to have any chance not returning to being the old Apple of the 1990s, when their price per share dipped below $10. Some of us remember those days, when Amiga blew away Apple in every respect, but course the company died due solely to incompetent management. If Jobs had gone to Commodore instead we'd all have Amiga phones now. All the signs of Apple being killed by management are so obvious. The younger folks here I think don't quite see what is going on.

 

[Gasu E.]

Please help me with this if you can.
I am the only one among my friends that has Apple products. When i'm asked why Apple are better and not a junk i don't know what to replay to them objectively (i just tell them that they require my needs and that it) they told me, that other products cheaper and better can do that

Forgot to tell that they never used an iOS or OSX.
They tell me a lot that iphone is not a smartphone

They tell me a lot that i am a fool and Apple is just a profit company

You won't convince them. The problem is when you care what they think about this. Apparently you do have the strength to think for yourself, while they are mired in group-think. Show them your pride and confidence.

 

[Iamthinking]

Fact is, there's nothing that can be done on an iOS device that can't be done on Android. Personally, I think we've reached parity with both OS' and it's just a matter of preference. I am a tech fan. Not an Apple fan or Android fan. I own Apple, Samsung, Google, MS, Amazon, etc. The products I own work very well and do exactly what I want them to do. So when I see "reasons" like the one above I have to giggle and wonder if people actually believe that type of stuff.

So tired of hearing this "fact". I'll give you a great reason that won't cause you to giggle. I am a musician, and the iOs is an integral part of my live and studio setup: Keyboard sounds through midi, programming various guitar effects pedals, mixer settings,etc are all controlled by ios devices. There are NO equivalents for android for these functions. Period. There is no parity in this "music space". Sure, android may have the same functionality for email, phone calls, texting, and facebook. But for many of who use our phones and tablets for serious work, Apple/ios is the only game in town.

Cheers,
Iamthinking

 

[ptb42]

But in the Isaacson biography Jobs said there were not enough technically trained workers in the US at any price. His assessment.

I understand that he said that. And I think Steve was wrong, unless you append the appropriate qualifier:

"[...] there were not enough technically trained workers in the US at any price that Apple is willing to pay".

If an employer offers a sufficiently high salary (and appropriate benefits), skilled workers will leave their current jobs and join them. But, the offer has to be sufficiently lucrative to balance the risk of disrupting their lives and career. Apple didn't want to do that, and Steve didn't want to admit it.

As you may remember, Steve also conspired with other employers to limit recruiting, thus depressing salaries for their white-collar employees:

Judge Rejects $324M Settlement Proposal in Apple, Google Class-Action Anti-Poaching Lawsuit

 

[jamezr]

I understand that he said that. And I think Steve was wrong, unless you append the appropriate qualifier:

"[...] there were not enough technically trained workers in the US at any price that Apple is willing to pay".

If an employer offers a sufficiently high salary (and appropriate benefits), skilled workers will leave their current jobs and join them. But, the offer has to be sufficiently lucrative to balance the risk of disrupting their lives and career. Apple didn't want to do that, and Steve didn't want to admit it.

As you may remember, Steve also conspired with other employers to limit recruiting, thus depressing salaries for their white-collar employees:

Judge Rejects $324M Settlement Proposal in Apple, Google Class-Action Anti-Poaching Lawsuit

Agreed! It isn't about finding the qualified people to do the job....it is about willingness to pay those people to do the work.......

 

[2IS]

I think that the lack of 5.5" parts means nothing. We have seen very little about the new iPads or the iWatch but we know they are coming

Are you kidding? We've seen about as much iWatch rumors as iPhone 6 rumors.

 

[69Mustang]

So tired of hearing this "fact". I'll give you a great reason that won't cause you to giggle. I am a musician, and the iOs is an integral part of my live and studio setup: Keyboard sounds through midi, programming various guitar effects pedals, mixer settings,etc are all controlled by ios devices. There are NO equivalents for android for these functions. Period. There is no parity in this "music space". Sure, android may have the same functionality for email, phone calls, texting, and facebook. But for many of who use our phones and tablets for serious work, Apple/ios is the only game in town.

Cheers,
Iamthinking

I'm not going to call you a liar. I'm just going to say you're misinformed. There are apps in Android for musicians, sound engineers, audio engineers, audio managers, etc. Just because iOS is essential for your process doesn't mean it's essential for everyone else. Apple has a well deserved reputation with creatives. That reputation doesn't mean Apple products are used by creatives to the exclusion of all others. I stand by my premise. I feel the vast majority of users can accomplish whatever they would like to do regardless of the ecosystem they choose. For certain individuals, their needs will be better served by one OS over another. But that doesn't mean another individual doing the same job has to use that same OS. There are many people who use their devices for serious work. Not all those devices are iOS either.

 

[rjflyn]

I hope since its 2014 APPLE has come to there senses and realizes that 16GB is to small of a phone and that they drop that as the starting point, and with it the prices will follow in line.. I know there is talk of going up $100 with "phablet", I get that and some with be willing to pay that. But memory is cheap and if Im going to have device without a smart card slot I want at least 32GB at reasonable price.

 

[Chupa Chupa]

All the signs of Apple being killed by management are so obvious. The younger folks here I think don't quite see what is going on.

I'm hardly a younger folk... probably one of the more older ones around here. I'm also an Apple shareholder... bought it around $10 after Apple opened up the iPod to Windows. I figured I'd double my $ and get out.

So I do not see the obvious signs of an eminent downfall. I've been very tough on Cook. It's made a LOT of bad calls. But Apple survives in spite of him with recent sequential growth bringing the stock almost back to its historical high.

Of late he has made some good calls -- buying Beats for its H'wood connections, not its hardware; recruiting IBM to integrate iOS apps into its enterprise-ware and sell the apps and iPads as a bundle to its customers; supposedly doing a complete refresh of the iPhone that will give that line double digit growth; implementing a very lightly licensed CarPlay for automakers; and, then, the alleged iWatch -- we'll see if that comes to fruition, but if it does it will be a huge cash cow for Apple, especially if it can muscle it in with the FDA as a medical device. But it has so many potential applications apart from that if it is what the rumors suggest. Finally, we know Apple is trying to work with H'wood on ATV enhancements (see Beats purchase).

So as a life long Apple watcher, and admittedly not yet convinced of Cook's rock star management status, he is anything but a Scully, Amelio, or Spindler. He's trying to do more than banal line extensions or simple aesthetic changes and calling it "all new." Apple's future look pretty bright at least for the next few years.

 

[2010mini]

iOS is limited and android is not...this is the only statement that they tell me...
I think Apple has the better customer service as well in my opinion

Limited??? Oh you mean in the amount of malware, virus, security threats and manufacture bloatware. Got it, thanks.

 

[i.mac]

iOS is limited and android is not...this is the only statement that they tell me...
I think Apple has the better customer service as well in my opinion

This is true with regard to malware. Unlimited malware for android...

 

[Chupa Chupa]

I hope since its 2014 APPLE has come to there senses and realizes that 16GB is to small of a phone and that they drop that as the starting point, and with it the prices will follow in line..

Ah, but Apple is a business and relies on facts, not emotion, when making product decisions. Apple will kill off the 16GB iPhone when sales data and marketing feedback indicate there is consumer blowback on that model coupled with refusal to pay $100 more for the 32GB model. Until then -- and it could be next month or not, we'll see the 16GB remain. For many consumers 16GB is enough so Apple isn't going to spend a dime more than it needs to to get those lower end of the market shoppers.

 

[jrswizzle]

50 millions might not even satisfy the demand. I know tons of people who are still on the iPhone 4/4S/5 waiting for a bigger iPhone to upgrade to. Not to mention the millions currently using 5S who want an early upgrade and people jumping ship from Android.

50 million in a quarter is unreal....especially if you consider that this is only the 4.7".....

Last year they sold (a record) 51 million total iPhones in the holiday quarter. That included the 5S, 5C and 4S.

If they sold all 50 million of these 4.7" iPhone 6's, plus whatever 5S's/5C's and perhaps a larger 5.5" model.....holy crap.

 

[jrswizzle]

Ah, but Apple is a business and relies on facts, not emotion, when making product decisions. Apple will kill off the 16GB iPhone when sales data and marketing feedback indicate there is consumer blowback on that model coupled with refusal to pay $100 more for the 32GB model. Until then -- and it could be next month or not, we'll see the 16GB remain. For many consumers 16GB is enough so Apple isn't going to spend a dime more than it needs to to get those lower end of the market shoppers.

I think it's far more likely that we see a reduction in the price increase between storage options than a shift upward across the whole line.

$50 for each bump from 16 to 32 to 64 still leaves Apple with a healthy 70% margin if the BOM of the 6 is similar to the 5S and 5.

 

[johnnyturbouk]

In terms of worker rights/issues/violations/etc., how does Pegatron rate compared to Foxconn?

Well here is an official photo:

And here is Siri:

 

[iolinux333]

he is anything but a Scully, Amelio, or Spindler. He's trying to do more than banal line extensions or simple aesthetic changes and calling it "all new." Apple's future look pretty bright at least for the next few years.

Well I'll give you that. He's certainly much better than Commodore's string of CEOs that more or less raped the company for golden parachutes and then took off to their yachts.

And after reading what you wrote, I'll give you that he is at least doing stuff, which may or may not be beneficial in the long run - and perhaps better decisions could have been made (trying hard not to say stuff about Beats), but Commodore was so badly mismanaged I am astonished to this day.

Time will tell...

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Well here is an official photo:
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And here is Siri:
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Holy ****, are those really Apple/Foxconn/etc employees? Sheesh I think now I want one of the old MotoXes made in the US.

 

[Milese3]

Security, stability, unimpeded customisation. You can never have all of them.

When Android users talk about 'limited' and 'customisation', all I really see them do is install stupid widgets, pirate/hack games, and change icons. And yet they have the audacity to say that iOS users are stupid and non tech savvy.

Nicely said.

 

[tommyminahan]

Apple will publicly unveil the iPhone 6 for the first time at an event on September 9

Not that its probably not accurate, but until Apple confirms it, you probably shouldn't be using qualifiers like "will"...

 

[iChrist]

.

OMG!!

I hope I get a Foxconn phone, not phone from noob pegatron!

Oh wait, maybe I want Pegatron phone... how can you tell??

 

[Iamthinking]

I'm not going to call you a liar. I'm just going to say you're misinformed. There are apps in Android for musicians, sound engineers, audio engineers, audio managers, etc.

OK. Please enlighten me. I have the following pro-audio hardware in my studio. Show me all the Android links to the APPS that would control this hardware, or even PRO-level equivalents (i.e. not Behringer):

Mackie DL1608 Mixer:http://www.mackie.com/products/dlseries/
Apogee Quartet Interface:http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/quartet
Alesis Portable Recording Interface:http://alesis.com/io-mix
Digitech iStomp Effects:http://digitech.com/en/products/istomp

....I won't even get into the whole Garageband vs andriod equivalent debate, to which there is also NONE! There are music APPS for Android, no doubt. However, I haven't seen one being used "in the wild" for more than basic recording, looping, or sampling, but if you want to share some links and/or photos to pro-audio engineers and/or bands that are using Android tablets and phones to control pro-level hardware and software like the above in their studios, location recording, or live shows, I'm all ears!

-Iamthinking.

 

[69Mustang]

OK. Please enlighten me. I have the following pro-audio hardware in my studio. Show me all the Android links to the APPS that would control this hardware, or even PRO-level equivalents (i.e. not Behringer):

Mackie DL1608 Mixer:http://www.mackie.com/products/dlseries/
Apogee Quartet Interface:http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/quartet
Alesis Portable Recording Interface:http://alesis.com/io-mix
Digitech iStomp Effects:http://digitech.com/en/products/istomp

....I won't even get into the whole Garageband vs andriod equivalent debate, to which there is also NONE! There are music APPS for Android, no doubt. However, I haven't seen one being used "in the wild" for more than basic recording, looping, or sampling, but if you want to share some links and/or photos to pro-audio engineers and/or bands that are using Android tablets and phones to control pro-level hardware and software like the above in their studios, location recording, or live shows, I'm all ears!

-Iamthinking.

Forest and trees my friend. You yourself just said you know they exist. Just because you haven't seen anyone using them doesn't mean they aren't being used. That's the same tired anecdotal quote used when people say they haven't seen X phone in the wild and all their friends use iPhones, Galaxies, or Nokias (based on whatever narrative they're pushing). It's useless, ineffectual and adds nothing to the discussion beyond distraction. Searching the internet to prove a point I wasn't trying to make would only serve to further your desire to focus the narrative only on what you do. Not really motivated to continue that discussion when we should be beyond it by now.

You can't seem to get beyond the minutiae of what you do to address the actual point of my original comment. I've already acknowledged your point about specialized fields preferring an OS option and the fact that Apple is well regarded among creatives. What more are you looking for me to say? Musicians can only use iOS? Okay, it's a falacy, but if it will move the conversation forward. Sure. You win. Now if you'd care for discourse regarding the vast majority of mobile customers instead of a small subset, I'm more than willing.

Or we could both cease threadjacking and discuss something actually related to the OP.

 

[ricci]

50 millions might not even satisfy the demand. I know tons of people who are still on the iPhone 4/4S/5 waiting for a bigger iPhone to upgrade to. Not to mention the millions currently using 5S who want an early upgrade and people jumping ship from Android.

I maybe in the minority but I never get first generation anything! 5s guy!Soooooo!!!

EVERYBODY LISTEN!!!!!!!

Please get all the bugs out for me!!! Thank you for your service! 2nd is for me!!!