The car is currently registered until Sep. It wasn't a 2-lane road (it was 2-way but there were no lane markings). I slowed down, albeit a bit faster into the driveway, but I am confused as to why my side was hit by the vehicle behind me. Even upon turning quickly, I would be moving out of their way.
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Penalty for minor driving with no liscence in CA?
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I pulled into it to back out and go the opposite direction. It was not wide enough for a simple turn.
That's a lawful U-turn in most states, called a 3-pointer. The execution, however, seems to have left a lot to be desired...
You can't do a K-turn with traffic behind. That is why he got hit. You can't do a u-turn if you cannot make the turn. If he pulled into the driveway and waited than backed out he would of been fine. I bet he signaled too late not giving the other driver fair warning.
Either way the OP is at fault.
There's a problem with your story that you haven't even noticed. It's that you don't know what happened. When you start saying, "I don't know how X ended up happening. The other driver must've been Y," that's just digging yourself in deeper. If there had been a screaming maniac coming up the wrong side of the road you would have seen him when you checked to see if it was safe to turn. If there was somebody following you too closely to make a legal U-turn, you would have known to pull over to the right and let him pass.
The only way his front right corner would tag your left rear door is if he was inside your turning radius, meaning either you went wide right or he went inside left, or both, which is to say he was passing you because you pulled right and slowed down with your left signal on, then you suddenly accelerated to the left without looking to notice what was going on around you.
If that's his story, you got problems.
that depends on the state to be honest. 3 point turns are fine here, as long as you're not blocking traffic. so you turn, if there are people behind you they go, a good 3 point turn shouldn't have any effect on those behind you either. just those in on coming traffic, which, if was clear he should've been fine, seems like he backed out too soon and someone wasn't expecting that.
remember different locations different rules.
Exactly, so it sounds like he would have been obstructing traffic, hence getting hit by the car. Definetly sounds like a bad turn to me.
Honestly, I would really like to know what was so important that he had to drive without a license and whether his parents gave him permission or if he just took the car.
OK, I realized my definition of the U-Turn is a bit different.
The actual maneuver was akin to turning into a driveway, so that's the way to describe what happened. So to clarify, I was turning into the driveway and got hit. My intention was to back out, and go back the other way, what I call a U-turn.
The actual maneuver was akin to turning into a driveway, so that's the way to describe what happened. So to clarify, I was turning into the driveway and got hit. My intention was to back out, and go back the other way, what I call a U-turn.
its a 3 point turn, not a U-Turn. and you were hit while pulling into the driveway, not backing out? not sure if that'll be your fault or not, unless it was oncoming traffic that hit you.
i'm assuming there is a police report, hence why you're asking about the license and insurance. who's fault did the police say it was?
Oh, it's a 3-point then. A report for property damage was filed. I believe I was blamed but I wasn't asked anything else other that what happened.
I was hit by the car BEHIND me while turning into the drive on the left (opposite) side of the road. We were driving on the right. There was no oncoming traffic.
I was hit by the car BEHIND me while turning into the drive on the left (opposite) side of the road. We were driving on the right. There was no oncoming traffic.
If you were trying to hurry a left turn without slowing down much to the last moment, it'll be one of the few situations where the guy in front is at fault.
Simply for not signaling a turn or giving enough warning of making your turn.
Doesn't matter if he followed you into the opposite lane while trying to stop either, since slamming on the brakes and turning the wheel will help lessen the impact. Car still stops in about the same distance, but it'll stop just a tad shorter in the direction of the lane.
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I like this CA classification of an illegal U turn "When other vehicles may hit you."
Simply for not signaling a turn or giving enough warning of making your turn.
Doesn't matter if he followed you into the opposite lane while trying to stop either, since slamming on the brakes and turning the wheel will help lessen the impact. Car still stops in about the same distance, but it'll stop just a tad shorter in the direction of the lane.
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I like this CA classification of an illegal U turn "When other vehicles may hit you."
I'm not that clear on what you said above, but I drew a diagram. The peach color is me, the gray is the curb/parked cars. The circle is the impact point.
sounds like they had started to pass you when you suddenly turned in front of them
Sudden turn in front of another driver... but also since he didn't plan on pulling into the driveway.
Suddenly slowing, then turning quick will do that to you.
The other driver may very well have done a lane change to avoid an idiot stopping in the middle of the block -- then the idiot turns right in front of you.
aka, he tried to avoid hitting a car slowing down quick, then you turned into him.
Since you were trying to do a U-turn ... you are at fault anyhow. Since it is illegal U-turn automatically if another car hits you.
If there were no lane markings, he legally could pass you and that's what he was doing, likely.
Still not clear on why you were making an illegal turn while driving in a residential neighborhood while apparently driving to school.
Something better have been on fire, cause there is no way anything at school could be so important that a reasonable parent would let a kid with no license drive a car with no insurance.
You're likely fully at fault for the accident since you were breaking the law when it happened by driving with no license, and no insurance.
You'd better hope there was no damage to the other car, because that guy can come after your parents and you will have NO insurance companies coming between you and this guy.
Still not clear on why you were making an illegal turn while driving in a residential neighborhood while apparently driving to school.
Something better have been on fire, cause there is no way anything at school could be so important that a reasonable parent would let a kid with no license drive a car with no insurance.
You're likely fully at fault for the accident since you were breaking the law when it happened by driving with no license, and no insurance.
You'd better hope there was no damage to the other car, because that guy can come after your parents and you will have NO insurance companies coming between you and this guy.
I had friends in high school who discovered that it was cheaper to drive their cars without license or insurance. They paid cash for the car, bought tabs and drove from freshman to senior year.
Some never got caught. No fine, no punishment, they paid thousands less then I.
I know a couple who did, though. I live in WA, not CA, and the situations were very different, but if I recall there was a fine for both the insurance and the license. The general idea there was to claim they had left a license at home, not that they didn't have one.
Its too bad you have to pull a court date. If you could claim forgotten documents, a fine would be in order. Now, you stand to lose license privileges.
Some never got caught. No fine, no punishment, they paid thousands less then I.
I know a couple who did, though. I live in WA, not CA, and the situations were very different, but if I recall there was a fine for both the insurance and the license. The general idea there was to claim they had left a license at home, not that they didn't have one.
Its too bad you have to pull a court date. If you could claim forgotten documents, a fine would be in order. Now, you stand to lose license privileges.
An overworked judge might let it slip by, but likely when the other guy tries collecting -- he will find out you were uninsured and unlicensed.
If he gets a lawyer, they would likely notify the criminal court of the mistake, since they do want a criminal charge prosecuted to maximize collections.
Even if you get the permit, it sounds like there wasn't an adult in the vehicle, you were still violating the CA beginners permit law anyhow.
In reality, if the vehicle was insured, and you were simply not insured to drive it -- there is a simple way to get the car covered by insurance.
Report it stolen. (the insurance company WILL require a prosecution to cover it)
And yes it can be done, though many people wouldn't do it to a family member just to get insurance to pay it.
Personally, I feel that any unlicensed family member deserves to get whacked with a criminal theft charge in addition to the unlicensed driver charges.