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Current non-Apple 16GB ram kit is $700. New 800MHz ram 16GB kit will be $999 - I called to ask. Anything else you don't order from Apple either. So you're "guesstimate" is radically off base.

I know, just kidding there. Those RAM prices are insane.
 
The mobile penryn is due in january next year.

I'm really looking forward to this; I'll buy one as soon as it is released. My MacBook Pro 2.4 Ghz Core 2 Duo burns my legs, forcing me to keep cpu heavy apps like Skype closed to keep it tolerable.

All my Mac books have been hot, ever since my first PowerBook. I'm starting to think I'm the only one who uses them as actual *Lap* tops :)
 
Nothing Is Allowed To Be Sold Until November 12

Intel likes Apple don't they? I thought they could possibly get the stuff before anyone else and release early? Or is it that there aren't enough quantities produced yet?
Intel has to be even handed among their many customers. All Penryn products are embargoed from being sold until Monday November 12. That 3GHz Clovertown exclusive was long after that family had been available for sale. This is a new family premiere.
 
Intel has to be even handed among their many customers. All Penryn products are embargoed from being sold until Monday November 12. That 3GHz Clovertown exclusive was long after that family had been available for sale. This is a new family premiere.

Ahhhhhh, but Intel could still allow Apple to announce before hand, that it will be shipping 11/12, right?
 
I get a paycheck on November 15th that will allow me to purchase my first Mac.... A new Mac Pro roll-out on November 13th would suit me just fine.

So far I've been behind the curve... I purchased my first iPod a week before the video versions came out, and I bought my iPhone a week before the $200 price drop (luckily I was able to get a full rebate).

If this pattern keeps up, MacRumors will start tracking all my Apple purchases so they can know which products are a week away from being updated.
 
Know Your Apple Announcement Calendar

Ahhhhhh, but Intel could still allow Apple to announce before hand, that it will be shipping 11/12, right?
I don't think so. Besides where's the window for that to happen before November 13? All the other weeks are already booked.

Next week is the Q3 financial report + Leopard is coming week.
The following week is Halloween and Leopard kicks ass week.
Then the 4GB Santa Rosa X3100 IG Merom MacBook November 6.

So there's really no other date for the announcement to get the INK Apple always generates by staggering each move announcement from week to week.

If it doesn't happen November 13 it's not going to happen until January 15. The following week is Thanksgiving and Black Friday. But I can't see Apple waiting that long to finish the year without ever revising the Summer 2006 Mac Pro lineup. I think that would be some sort of non-change record they don't want to make any longer than it already is.

So I think if supply is a problem, we'll just have to tuff it out at the beginning of the new sales cycle. At least we'll know they're on the way which is a lot better than the dark we're in now.
 
I think that you've hit the crux of the argument for the mini-tower. These aren't "pro machines" with "maximum power" for the "pro target market".

The mini-tower would be for people who could get by with an Imac, but don't want an all-in-one for any of the good reasons not to get an all-in-one. Or any of the good reasons not to get an Imac....

It would be for people who need something more than an Imac (second or third hard drive or optical, quad core, more RAM, expandable graphics, extra PCIe slots...), but who don't need the humonguous expensive Mac Pro maxi-tower.

It would be for people who don't live in McMansions, and need a more compact system for an office or dorm room or studio apartment.

It could even be for the many professionals who truly can't use more than a couple of cores today, or who don't need the expandability of the Mac Pro.

(MM - you have blinders on as far as the "pro apps" using lots of cores. The media apps that are important to you are nicely threaded, but many other pro apps are not and some of them may never be. Look at the set of Photoshop filters that are not MP-aware.

Many tasks and programs are sequential in nature, and are difficult or impossible to parallelize to a great extent. Look at Amdahl's Law for more information on the limits of parallelization.)​

HP can put a compact quad core, 3 GiB, Gigabit ethernet system on the shelves for $800. Why can't Apple give people a choice between the limitations of the Imac and the overkill of the Mac Pro. (Especially since so many people are saying "all 8-core" for the new Mac Pro.)

ps: Since "CPU" and "processor" are ambiguous, I use the unambiguous "single socket" to refer to a desktop Conroe/Kentsfield system.

You know it just kills me every time someone says "MAC PRO = EXPENSIVE" I would like someone to find me a manufacture who makes a quad core xeon workstation that is less expensive than the mac pro because I can't even build one for cheaper then Apple sells them.

BTW already checked dell the cheapest they offer the dual xeon 2.66 machine with same specs as mac pro is over $2,800
 
What Will They Whine When The New 8 Cores Come Out At The Same Price As Quads Now?

You know it just kills me every time someone says "MAC PRO = EXPENSIVE" I would like someone to find me a manufacture who makes a quad core xeon workstation that is less expensive than the mac pro because I can't even build one for cheaper then Apple sells them.

BTW already checked dell the cheapest they offer the dual xeon 2.66 machine with same specs as mac pro is over $2,800
Me too. I wonder what they're going to be whining when the new 8 cores come out at the same price as the 4 cores now.
 
I have to agree. People also talk about this huge chasm between the iMac and the Mac Pro, but in reality the base Mac Pro is only $200 more than the 24" 2.8 GHz iMac (only $150 more if you have a student discount). Of course the Mac Pro doesn't include a display, but still....

The only thing that really bothers me is that the base Mac Pro has half the RAM and half the hard drive capacity of the 2.8 GHz iMac, and (by all accounts) a crappy video card. Hopefully Apple, in its infinite wisdom, will rectify this grave injustice with the next Mac Pro update.

All that said, I think Apple could tap into a pretty good market with some sort of Mac tower in the $1000-1500 range that isn't quite as much of a monster as the Mac Pro. Something like that would be especially good for businesses who buy computers in bulk, need the flexibility that the iMac doesn't offer*, but don't need the muscle of the Mac Pro.

* I'm thinking of your typical IT guy who has Computer A on his desk with a dead graphics card, and Computer B on his desk with a dead hard drive. The normal course of action would be to swap the functioning graphics card from Computer B into Computer A, so that Computer A can be put back into service while waiting for replacement parts to arrive for Computer B. Not possible with something like an iMac, where all your eggs are in one basket.
 
You know it just kills me every time someone says "MAC PRO = EXPENSIVE" I would like someone to find me a manufacture who makes a quad core xeon workstation that is less expensive than the mac pro because I can't even build one for cheaper then Apple sells them.

BTW already checked dell the cheapest they offer the dual xeon 2.66 machine with same specs as mac pro is over $2,800

I don't want to speak for Aiden, but when people say the MP is expensive they don't tend to be saying it's an expensive dual socket workstation, they are saying it's alot to pay to have a desktop mac that isn't the mini or iMac. Also as it's older technology a quad core system (single socket) can now be had alot cheaper than $2,500+.
 
I don't think so. Besides where's the window for that to happen before November 13? All the other weeks are already booked.

Next week is the Q3 financial report + Leopard is coming week.
The following week is Halloween and Leopard kicks ass week.
Then the 4GB Santa Rosa X3100 IG Merom MacBook November 6.

So there's really no other date for the announcement to get the INK Apple always generates by staggering each move announcement from week to week.

If it doesn't happen November 13 it's not going to happen until January 15. The following week is Thanksgiving and Black Friday. But I can't see Apple waiting that long to finish the year without ever revising the Summer 2006 Mac Pro lineup. I think that would be some sort of non-change record they don't want to make any longer than it already is.

So I think if supply is a problem, we'll just have to tuff it out at the beginning of the new sales cycle. At least we'll know they're on the way which is a lot better than the dark we're in now.
I don't think apple would release the Mac Pros in January having Macworld expo so close. They always release their pro based Macs at least one month prior to Macworld expo.
 
Since there is no mention of a case redesign, are most people assuming that they'll stick with the same enclosure and just get a new logic board?

I would like to see a smaller, lighter case.

At the moment I lug my G5 case between cities (in the boot/trunk) and would love something not soooo heavy.
 
Current non-Apple 16GB ram kit is $700. New 800MHz ram 16GB kit will be $999 - I called to ask. Anything else you don't order from Apple either. So you're "guesstimate" is radically off base.

Are you currently running any memory from Omni or know if it's reliable? I got bad memory from OWC for an iMac, and I've been afraid to switch from Crucial since.

I haven't heard anything about Omni (Optival) in a Pro, so thanks in advance if you have any experience with it. It sounds just fine to me, but hey, what do I know? nothing...
 
Omni Ram Is Just As Good As "Name Brand" Ram

Are you currently running any memory from Omni or know if it's reliable? I got bad memory from OWC for an iMac, and I've been afraid to switch from Crucial since.

I haven't heard anything about Omni (Optival) in a Pro, so thanks in advance if you have any experience with it. It sounds just fine to me, but hey, what do I know? nothing...
Yes I have 4GB in my Quad G5 from Omni that have never been a problem. I haven't added to my Mac Pro yet. But we've had several Omni customers post here they are fine. All you have to do is call Omni and ask them about their lifetime replacement policy etc. Why ask me when you can ask them yourself? I know they are good people.
 
I don't want to speak for Aiden, but when people say the MP is expensive they don't tend to be saying it's an expensive dual socket workstation, they are saying it's alot to pay to have a desktop mac that isn't the mini or iMac. Also as it's older technology a quad core system (single socket) can now be had alot cheaper than $2,500+.
I just clicked around an online store and had a system similar to the base ($2500) mac pro...

Core 2 Quad 2.66 GHz, 2x512MB DDR2-667, 250GB, 7300GT 256MB, 18x DVD burner, keyboard/mouse, and XP Pro OEM: $1249 after shipping and before tax.

(I didn't even try to make it EXACTLY half the price of the Mac Pro...)

So yes, the Mac Pro is expensive...
 
I just clicked around an online store and had a system similar to the base ($2500) mac pro...

Core 2 Quad 2.66 GHz, 2x512MB DDR2-667, 250GB, 7300GT 256MB, 18x DVD burner, keyboard/mouse, and XP Pro OEM: $1249 after shipping and before tax.

(I didn't even try to make it EXACTLY half the price of the Mac Pro...)

So yes, the Mac Pro is expensive...
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