pentalobe screwdriver to remove the screws

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  1. Gmlens macrumors newbie

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    Who knows what is the exact name and tooling to remove the pentalobe screws to change the leather watch strap? Is it a TX4?
     
  2. PedCrossing macrumors 6502

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    It's not T4 or TX4, T is for torx. It should be something between P2 and P5. I have the ifixit toolkit, P2 is too small and P5 is too big, that's how I come to the conclusion.
     
  3. dyt1983, May 6, 2015
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    edit: to remove personally identifying information not relevant to the thread.
     
  4. AbeFrohman, May 6, 2015
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    From Apple's Watch Band specs:

    Use pentalobe driver #2
    The screw size is M1.2
    The screws are held in place with threadlocker (Apple doesn't specify exactly which threadlocker)
    The screws are to be discarded and replaced if you remove them

    See page 8 of:

    https://developer.apple.com/watch/bands/Band-Design-Guidelines-for-Apple-Watch.pdf
     
  5. Pauly 6 String macrumors newbie

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    What size screw would you replace it with if you wanted a Phillips head instead?

    I have a set of screwdrivers coming from Amazon and it has a 1.2mm which should work.
     
  6. PedCrossing macrumors 6502

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    Thanks for the information, it says P2 on the bit so I thought I could quote it that way.

    I guess iFixit is going to add another pentalobe to their toolkit.
     
  7. Pauly 6 String macrumors newbie

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    I see M1.2 is a screw size but they seem to one in varying lengths.
     
  8. PedCrossing macrumors 6502

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    The P5(or TS4) that I have is 1.2mm, it won't fit in. The P2(TS1) is .8mm and it's too small. So for the screwdriver the size should be between .8 and 1.2
     
  9. Che Castro macrumors 603

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    The bendgate guy posted the link to buy it in his video
     
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    I just ordered the Wiha 26794 Precision Pentalobe Screwdriver Set P1-P6 from Amazon. It's $40 but it should cover just about any size I come across, including, I assume, those little strap lug buggers. I'd also like to find some replacement screws just in case. You sneeze, you lose :D
     
  12. Pauly 6 String macrumors newbie

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    Damn. I knew the P5 was too big. Micro Center had one that I tried. Didn't know it was the 1.2mm one. So who sells the P4 and what size is it? Can't seem to find one
     
  13. rozelida macrumors member

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    The one the video used is on amazon but shipping is a month out. I just ordered this set that says it has a 1.2mm and will confirm tomorrow. Also tried all the ones from microcenter and fry's with no luck.

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00J9A2TTC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1



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    Think the P5 is actually 1.5 and we need P4 which is 1.2

     
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    One in this kit did NOT work either unless I am doing it wrong. The .8mm too small. The two listed as 1.2mm are too big. Based on this I don't know what size is needed so will just wait from my click adapter I guess unless anyone has any luck with and adapter that is shipping via Amazon prime.

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00J9A2TTC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1[/url]

    Note the .8mm will remove the from the iPhone 6+

     
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  17. Gmlens thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Pentalobe

    On the developer pages from Apple it says use Pentalobe #2

    I have ordered the P1 and P2 i hope this will do?


    Gregory


    They all two arrive here on Monday

    Be careful when you order the watch strap on Amazon from BASEUS! you get a tooling with it, but it does not work. For me it is a rip off. I told them and they will be changing their wording, as you get 4 screws and the tooling works with those screws, but taking off the Apple watch strap does not work!
     
  18. PedCrossing, May 8, 2015
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    Like I've said earlier, I have tried P2 and P5 from my iFixit tools, neither worked. P2 is .8mm that you use on iPhones, P5 is 1.2mm that are used on MacBooks(I've attached a table of sizes from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentalobe_screw if you don't believe me). Those sold on amazon that are compatible with iPhones should be P2. The one that bandgate guy provided is also for iPhone, so it should be a P2, but somehow it worked in his video, my explanation is, since the screwdriver looks cheaply made, the size of the tip might not be that precise.

    My suggestion for those who want to try, it is most likely a P3 or P4 would work.

    Added: I suspect the "pentalobe driver #2" in the official document might be TS2, or P3. The only way to prove my theory is to find another document in which the TS4, or P5 screwdriver is called "pentalobe driver #4", but I've got no results from googling.
     

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  19. Pauly 6 String macrumors newbie

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    Just got this kit in from Amazon and it had a bit that fit. Replaced band no problem.

    This is the kit http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00D9NQHU2/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    The bits are so tiny even with my reading glasses I could barely make out that was a pentalobe. So I'm gonna say 1.2mm is the one.

    Will be interested in getting phillips M1.2 screws at what appears to be 2mm length and pan head.

    This one will work but pricey will be nice to have a few dozen around because they could strip or get lost easily but 100 might be too many.

    http://www.amazon.com/M1-2-Machine-Stainless-Phillips-M12-20-M-SS-P/dp/B00RKNIPI4

    good luck y'all.
     
  20. StophMac24 macrumors 6502

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    I got a set that had a 1.2mm pentalobe screwdriver. Definitely too big. The Macgyver in me didn't feel like waiting or searching so I filed down the ends of my screwdriver and it fit perfectly.

    I think it would be a 4 or a 3 in pentalobe size.
     
  21. Gmlens thread starter macrumors newbie

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    #19 this is the perfect tool!
     

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  22. Gmlens thread starter macrumors newbie

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    In some time i can put those on
     

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  23. MacDaddi, Feb 24, 2016
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    The exact size for the Apple Watch Band is PL2 0.9 mm

    It's hard to find. Look for wiha pentalobe 5-point driver set


    Pentalobe sizes
    P sizes TS sizes PL sizes[11] Dimension Usage
    P1 TS0 Unknown
    P2 TS1 PL1 0.8 mm iPhone 4 (Late), 4S, 5, 5C, 5S, 6, 6 Plus, 6S, 6S Plus
    P3 TS2 Unknown
    PL2 0.9 mm Apple Watch Band
    P4 TS3 Unknown
    PL3 1.1 mm
    P5 TS4 PL4 1.2 mm MacBook Air and MacBook Pro with Retina Display
    P6 TS5 PL5 1.5 mm MacBook Pro (2009) Battery - 15” only. Also known as Apple specialty tool 922-9101
    PL6 1.6 mm

    The iFixit set only includes P2, P5 and P6.

    Here is a set that has it:

    http://www.amazon.com/Wiha-26794-Precision-5-Point-Pentalobe/dp/B00GY8VQQE

    --- Post Merged, Feb 24, 2016 ---
    Glad you found it. It's hard to believe there is such a sloppy standard for this.
     
  24. Mac2me, Feb 26, 2016
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    That was me posting in the link above. And yes the screwdriver pointed to on the KC Tools website works. No need to buy a whole kit and spend a lot. $7.63. Man those little screws are buggers though, so tiny. Here's a photo I just took of it. Can't say enough good things about the company I bought it from BTW. Very pleased and happy to recommend.

    image.jpeg

    http://www.kctoolco.com/wiha-26762-precision-p2-pentalobe-screwdriver-p/26762.htm

    BTW I picked up Apple's recommended Loctite 435 (Zoro Tools on eBay sells a 20g bottle, http://www.ebay.com/itm/381484041509 ) so I can add my bands on 3rd party classic adapters. I can see why you need it to keep those little screws in securely.
     

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