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Pentium M and Yonah Processors in Upcoming Macs?

B_Gates said:
Interesting article. The Author points out that the Intel & Apple working together is really a move to topple Microsoft

http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20050609.html
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I haven't read the article - I should - but I cannot see why it is in Intel's interest to attempt to topple microsoft. if microsoft were to suddenly disappear tomorrow - there goes intel's profits.

( btw - if microsoft were to suddenly 'disappear' - it doesn't mean everyone would buy apple.. )


I doubt whether the attempt would work anyway.
 
B_Gates said:
Interesting article. The Author points out that the Intel & Apple working together is really a move to topple Microsoft

http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20050609.html
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The article raised some interesting points but got increasingly far fetched. Intel buying Apple? I'll believe when I see it. But then again I said that before Steve's Keynote... Realistically though it won't happen at least not for a longtime.

What remains clear though is that a lot of people are missing the point of the switch. Today the G5 is great but Apple obviously thinks and has no doubt seen information to the effect that it is likely to be overtaken by Intel in the future. That together with the fact that the laptop line is languishing somewhat with the inability to get a G5 in a notebook is the real reason that Apple has chosen to use Intel processors. Steve wants to keep the Mac great and Intel will help him do it.

With regards to Microsoft, it is likely that this deal makes sense for Intel because it keeps all their eggs from being in the Windows basket. If the Mac gets more market share Intel stands to benefit from that as well as being able to innovate free of the shackles imposed by Windows.
 
chatin said:
It would be great marketing to fanboys but...

It is based not on Intel's P4 but the CISC junkpile called PIII.

Pentium M for dummies

I've run the Pentium M. It's slow, UNRELIABLE, and a piece of junk.

abluesky said:
You are obviously in the minority with this opinion.
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The only reason he is in a minority with this opinion is because over the life of this rumor the message board opinion has changed to fall in line with Apple dogma.

When it was just a rumor, people all thought it was the worst idea possible.
Then when Steve (who apparently can do no wrong announces it) the opinion changes.

Makes you wonder how much original thought is going on here, and how much is just blind support for the platform we all love. (including me.... who has used a mac since they originally came out)
 
You forget that Microsoft is running an NT-based system on the PowerPC Xbox 360....
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I would love to know where you read this, from what I have heard microsoft does not yet have an OS for the Xbox360
 
Stella said:
if microsoft were to suddenly disappear tomorrow - there goes intel's profits.

( btw - if microsoft were to suddenly 'disappear' - it doesn't mean everyone would buy apple.. )
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You're missing the point. Microsoft isn't going to disappear tomorrow therefore there is little point in using that in an argument. Sure Intel gets most of its business from Windows PC sales and it is hardly going to that at risk. However just in case that were to change, which is a possibility with the resurgence of the Mac and the advent of Linux, Intel has it's fingers in more than one the pies. They are no longer has directly tied to Microsoft's fortunes as they were which can only be a good thing for Intel.
 
The average user only has one alternative to Mac - and that is Windows. I still think that Linux, while enjoying a sizable install-base, its still a non-alternative to the average soccer-mom.
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Have to disagree with you there my mother is using mandrake linux currently as her primary operating system ( she has a laptop as well as her desktop but I don't see her using it ), Linux is ok for people who are power users or users that don't want to install alot of crap. The only real confusing thing about linux is installing stuff.( lack of easly usable package management)
 
ioinc said:
The only reason he is in a minority with this opinion is because over the life of this rumor the message board opinion has changed to fall in line with Apple dogma.

When it was just a rumor, people all thought it was the worst idea possible.
Then when Steve (who apparently can do no wrong announces it) the opinion changes.

Makes you wonder how much original thought is going on here, and how much is just blind support for the platform we all love. (including me.... who has used a mac since they originally came out)
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Whilst you are right to some extent some of the change of opinion is due to Steve's reassurances over the ease of transistion and Rosetta. Point taken though as I've said before on these forums, a lot of people's opinions are clouded by as you say "blind support" of the platform.
 
ioinc said:
The only reason he is in a minority with this opinion is because over the life of this rumor the message board opinion has changed to fall in line with Apple dogma.

When it was just a rumor, people all thought it was the worst idea possible.
Then when Steve (who apparently can do no wrong announces it) the opinion changes.

Makes you wonder how much original thought is going on here, and how much is just blind support for the platform we all love. (including me.... who has used a mac since they originally came out)
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No, it has changed since mac users dont know anything about the line of cpu intel offers, and since this rumor turned out to be true, they actually took some time to find out what intel was about and found out it was pretty damn good, whilst he did not.

The people who still claim the move to intel will not benifit the performance are the mac users who want the bragging rights to say they use a "different" type of cpu.

I think the blind support is a lot more important on your side of the fence, where the g5 is still the greatest thing on the planet and nothing can take its place.
 
I guess its not really enough time to wait, but it still seems that apples are selling at insane prices on ebay

wile it does seem the old ibooks (i got an 800mhz for 1200 last year) have droped off heaps..

600 for a 1.02ghz
 
ailleur said:
No, it has changed since mac users dont know anything about the line of cpu intel offers, and since this rumor turned out to be true, they actually took some time to find out what intel was about and found out it was pretty damn good, whilst he did not.

The people who still claim the move to intel will not benifit the performance are the mac users who want the bragging rights to say they use a "different" type of cpu.
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That is true but ioinc has a point. As with everything there are definitely a combination of factors here.
 
Mr Maui said:
Is there any chance we can refer to the new Macs as Macs instead of Mactels or Macintels. It makes them sound cheap and sarcastic like the Wintel label. My Macs will always be Macs regardless of the chip inside. :)
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Did people call a "Mac 68K" any different than a "Mac G3"? Then a "Mac Intel" is still a "Mac".
 
No, it has changed since mac users dont know anything about the line of cpu intel offers, and since this rumor turned out to be true, they actually took some time to find out what intel was about and found out it was pretty damn good, whilst he did not.

The people who still claim the move to intel will not benifit the performance are the mac users who want the bragging rights to say they use a "different" type of cpu.
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That could be true, but in reality IBM have much faster POWER processors then intel currently does, But the power processors take much to much power for anything equivilent to a laptop and really to much for a consumer desktop, (I heard some insane 1000's of watts for the duel POWER5 servers that IBM produce)..

The PowerPC is a damn fine chip, and it damn well still has bragging rights, but there is no way your going to stick next generation PowerPC's in a laptop.

They are a great CPU or they wouldn't be in all the next gen consoles, good CPUs for laptops, they are not
 
Originally Posted by Mr Maui
Is there any chance we can refer to the new Macs as Macs instead of Mactels or Macintels. It makes them sound cheap and sarcastic like the Wintel label. My Macs will always be Macs regardless of the chip inside.
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A good conjunction of the two words is Nipple :)
 
soliloquy

Fanboy... Why do you cry, Fanboy?

Apple hurts us. Jobses tricks us.

Of course he did. I told you he was tricksy. I told you he was false.

Jobses is our friend... our friend.

Jobses betrayed us.

No, the processor is not it’s business. Still OS Xssss! Leave us alone!

Filthy little Jobses. He stole it from us. Myyy PowerPRECIOUSSSSSSS!!!
 
ailleur said:
No, it has changed since mac users dont know anything about the line of cpu intel offers, and since this rumor turned out to be true, they actually took some time to find out what intel was about and found out it was pretty damn good, whilst he did not.
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Good to know that the first batch of posts are based on a total lack ok knowledge, from a people who were not willing to take the time to 'find out what intel was all about'.

Glad there were 60 pages of opinions on that.
 
Yvan256 said:
Did people call a "Mac 68K" any different than a "Mac G3"? Then a "Mac Intel" is still a "Mac".
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That's my point. Why are we using words like Macintel or Mactel or Intelimac. Why not just Mac? :)
 
Man I am so pumped for a 17" AlBook with High Def display and Pentium M that's able to nativaly run windows!!! I hope powerbooks are the first and not the last in the switch.
 
Originally Posted by Yvan256
Did people call a "Mac 68K" any different than a "Mac G3"? Then a "Mac Intel" is still a "Mac".
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Not entirly true really

Power Mac
Power Book

so perhaps it should be called

Pentium Mac
 
ioinc said:
Good to know that the first batch of posts are based on a total lack ok knowledge, from a people who were not willing to take the time to 'find out what intel was all about'.

Glad there were 60 pages of opinions on that.
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Prey tell which pentium m review youve read. My guess is none, prooving my point, because if you HAD read one youd see it kills both pentium EE and athlon FX, which, in their turn, are faster than the fastest g5 available.
a>b>c -> a>c.
 
ailleur said:
Prey tell which pentium m review youve read. My guess is none, prooving my point, because if you HAD read one youd see it kills both pentium EE and athlon FX, which, in their turn, are faster than the fastest g5 available.
a>b>c -> a>c.
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I don't think it is possible for you to have missed the point of my inital post by a greater distance..... go back about 3 posts are re-read it.
 
pont said:
Not entirly true really

Power Mac
Power Book

so perhaps it should be called

Pentium Mac
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True, but Mactel has a "cheap" and "sarcastic" sound to it like "Wintel" that Mac users have used for years to minimize PCs with Windows to a level below Apple. We as Mac users have used Wintel sarcastically for so long, because of the Windows-Intel union, that using Mactel sort of has that same effect or feel. JMO

I will always just own a "Mac" regardless of the chip inside (Moto/IBM/Intel/AMD).
 
pont said:
That could be true, but in reality IBM have much faster POWER processors then intel currently does, But the power processors take much to much power for anything equivilent to a laptop and really to much for a consumer desktop, (I heard some insane 1000's of watts for the duel POWER5 servers that IBM produce)..

The PowerPC is a damn fine chip, and it damn well still has bragging rights, but there is no way your going to stick next generation PowerPC's in a laptop.

They are a great CPU or they wouldn't be in all the next gen consoles, good CPUs for laptops, they are not
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It's not a damn fine chip if you can't put the thing in any laptops & you need a liquid cooling system to keep it from burning up. I'm sure the Intel processors could keep up or pass the IBM in performances if it were over clocked to the point that it ran as hot as the IBM.
 
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