Since I use all technologies as much as I can, I tend to attempt to stay out of the arguments unless somebody is talking total rubbish in an attempt to make their tech look better. Its just a massively exhausted argument I cannot be bothered with anymore. But it will continue occurring, infinitely looping to a tech nerd forum rage oblivion.
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People Hating Apple Products
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Yes, I know Apple fans can be just as bad - in fact, the past seven years I've been on these forums have shown me they are often the worst, no matter which opposing view/product/company is being brought into the picture. Something about Apple and it's culture brings out the crazies, huh?
I have a couple of guys at work who passionately believe, down to the marrow of their bones, that Apple is rubbish and Android is king. I personally have the view of 'horses for courses', but it's so easy to wind these guys up that I take great pleasure in joining in any heated debate going on (even convincing them to drop their devices on the floor to prove the build quality. Ha!)
In general, their view is that Apple products are over-priced with crap innards, and that iOS is simplistic and lacking. And this all comes together to insult the intelligence of anyone who own an Apple product. I'm generally like "Ok, you go get all frustrated over this. I'll be over here. Chatting to some girls"
Alex
In general, their view is that Apple products are over-priced with crap innards, and that iOS is simplistic and lacking. And this all comes together to insult the intelligence of anyone who own an Apple product. I'm generally like "Ok, you go get all frustrated over this. I'll be over here. Chatting to some girls"
Alex
There is no phone that is the best. There are only phones that are best for given circumstances (user, use case, environment, etc.)
Oh dear, oh dear......
The insanely ferocious, intense, and intolerant passion with which teenagers debate the utterly irrelevant minutiae of life never ceases to leave me marvelling.......
Guys, some day you will realise that it does not really matter all that much.
While I am tempted (strongly) to shrug and remark 'First World Problems' (because I have worked in the Second and the Third World and so, have some small idea of what their problems may be), I will concede that the antique Windows machines at work (at least seven generations behind my blazing fast new MBA) do cause my teeth to grit in annoyance......
I don't love or hate any particular technology or company nor am I a devout anything, I am agnostic in all respects. What drives me freaking nuts is people that turn technology into some type of ideology.
I've only come across people like that on MacRumors.
I do have a friend who displays similar passion about the size of mountain bike wheels. We don't bother arguing with him about what is best but just take the piss because he's a weirdo.
I wouldn't call it hate at all, but I notice some resentiments regarding apple products even along my friends, since they tend to be a status symbol in certain milieus (checking Facebook at Starbucks with a rMBP being the cliché).
Once I was in Zürich and asked for a certain street near by and the first thing the girl asked me was: 'Don't you have an iPhone?' heh, she was nice and all, but still. I personally don't care at all and all these flame wars are annoying, tedious, boring, a great waste of time, pointless, ignorant and immature. Did I forget something?
Once I was in Zürich and asked for a certain street near by and the first thing the girl asked me was: 'Don't you have an iPhone?' heh, she was nice and all, but still. I personally don't care at all and all these flame wars are annoying, tedious, boring, a great waste of time, pointless, ignorant and immature. Did I forget something?
I actually do know one person who gets all high strung whenever you question his taste in smartphones. It's not so much that he's loyal to one brand as he's way too overly opinionated about things he's read on the internet.
He brings up that his phone only lasts about three hours on a charge, I suggest getting an iPhone because mine lasts forever and a day, and...BAM! I'm suddenly being read the riot act, getting an ear full of tirades about slave labor in China and how he'll never buy any Apple products because of it.
So I asked him for his nice big Samsung flat panel. I mean it was assembled in China by Foxconn. Probably in the same building as my iPhone. Same as his Xbox360. He wouldn't give them to me though, cuz he's a hypocrite.
What's worse is that since that day, I'll randomly get emails and facebook messages from him going on and on about the evils of Apple. It never ends.
Well said, I personally don't give a - you know. I correct what is blatantly wrong and what I changed to bold is the only thing that enrages me as it is hypocritical and immoral. The July issue of Le Monde Diplomatique had a great expose on Samsung and their labour practices and dirty politics - not sure if they have translated it to English though You can always check out this link though:
http://stopsamsung.wordpress.com/
They even have their own plants with terrible conditions not only in China but in Brazil!
This issue is not a "this brand sucks because they exploit blah blah blah" it's more "this system which all these companies are a part of exploits labour sucks" thing.
/end rant
Man have you read some of the posts on the forum of supposed Apple fans??
The amount of complaining, bitching and bashing that goes on here is ridiculous. Really Android fanboys are the least of our worries.
The amount of complaining, bitching and bashing that goes on here is ridiculous. Really Android fanboys are the least of our worries.
It's common on a lot of tech blog comment sections as well. Technobuffalo and PhoneDog are overrun with rabid Android fans who don't even bother criticizing the device anymore; they go straight to "idiot, moron Apple sheep." The mere mention of Apple sends the commenting mob into a feeding frenzy.
Android faithful have as big of a chip on their shoulders as Apple faithful do... I know, I used to be one of them. I despised Apple and praised Android, for (what now seems like) no particularly good reason. Apple was the dominant name in the mobile game for a long time, so Android fans feel compelled to fight for "their brand" at every possible opportunity.
What they don't realize is that Android is already at the top - it has already proven itself an outstanding platform. I think the masses either don't know how to back off now, or are determined to make Android the ONLY choice in mobile... which is ironic, given that Android's biggest strength is flexibility and choice.
It is an interesting time when a product name starts to become a generic term like Kleenex, Xerox, Aspirin, or Escalator. Is iPhone starting to become a generic for smart phone?
Ya, only that I see in a couple of years it will be the odd-phone not to include a camera, providing internet access et al. So people eventually just start to say phone again instead of smartphone or even iPhone.
I don't see it happening with the iPad, though. Maybe people got smarter?
People are narcissistic and feel that whatever they choose is the BEST, and if you don't agree with them you are in some way challenging their taste/intelligence, so they get all up in arms and need to argue it out.
Fact of the matter is, people will ALWAYS disagree, and when it comes down to things like "which device LOOKS better", "which devices offer the best "overall experience"", things like that you can't quanitify so you can argue until you're blue in the face and you'll never be "right".
IMO, I can see the benefits and shortcomings from BOTH offerings and I can respect both and I'm glad that both are around to push each other to keep getting better.
Fact of the matter is, people will ALWAYS disagree, and when it comes down to things like "which device LOOKS better", "which devices offer the best "overall experience"", things like that you can't quanitify so you can argue until you're blue in the face and you'll never be "right".
IMO, I can see the benefits and shortcomings from BOTH offerings and I can respect both and I'm glad that both are around to push each other to keep getting better.
Anyone 18 or younger is not going to GET the whole Apple craze because when the iPod was the thing, they weren't old enough to appreciate it or even have one. Even when the first iPod Touch came out, we didn't have the App Store yet, so it still wasn't something that you can now can give to little kids to play on.
I was 14 when I got my first iPod, 18 when I got the iPhone 2G.
That's why I stopped trying to argue with the Android crowd. Because now they have TuneIn Radio, iHeartRadio, Spotify, Pandora, and etc. They don't understand the fun of ripping and collecting music the way we do. Nor do most of them even have a CD collection. And probably when they did start getting into music, they were stuck with cheap Sansa devices which are easy enough to replace when they break since they are only $20-50 a pop.
I was 14 when I got my first iPod, 18 when I got the iPhone 2G.
That's why I stopped trying to argue with the Android crowd. Because now they have TuneIn Radio, iHeartRadio, Spotify, Pandora, and etc. They don't understand the fun of ripping and collecting music the way we do. Nor do most of them even have a CD collection. And probably when they did start getting into music, they were stuck with cheap Sansa devices which are easy enough to replace when they break since they are only $20-50 a pop.
I've never really had to defend any product that had or loved in the real world. That kinda stuff usually happens on the Internet. The bashing of opposing products isn't just done by hardcore Android fans. There are plenty of Apple iFans who will swear up and down that Android is crap without even actually using an android device. Or maybe they used Android for like a day back in 2009. Android has changed significantly over the years. As a person who's owned the Droid Eris, OG Droid, Droid X, Galaxy Nexus, and Galaxy S3, I've witnessed the changed. You have the fanboys, who'll have this pure hatred for Samsung, as if Samsung personally ruined their life or something. I still feel that there are Apple fans who hate Samsung solely because Apple hates them. Apple fans tend to get bashed b/c there is also the stereotype. Some do view Apple fans as being self centered, egotistical idiots, who think that they are better than everybody. Funny thing is there have been instances that kinda supported said stereotype. Just look no further than the iPhone user outrage when Android got Instagram.
Android fans aren't saints either. There are plenty out there who'll blindly bash Apple products and the fans who support them. It's ridiculous and so childish IMO. If you like Apple, fine. Love Android? Awesome. Buy whatever makes you happy. I love Android but I also love my iPad. I also plan on getting the next iPhone and possibly a MacBook. I don't give a damn what anybody thinks. Hell, I'm buying it with my money not yours. The fanboy wars are annoying. It doesn't matter if its iOS/Android, Apple/Samsung, Xbox/Playstation. There's no perfect product. I love my iPad but I'm not gonna say its "perfect" There's always room for improvement.
Android fans aren't saints either. There are plenty out there who'll blindly bash Apple products and the fans who support them. It's ridiculous and so childish IMO. If you like Apple, fine. Love Android? Awesome. Buy whatever makes you happy. I love Android but I also love my iPad. I also plan on getting the next iPhone and possibly a MacBook. I don't give a damn what anybody thinks. Hell, I'm buying it with my money not yours. The fanboy wars are annoying. It doesn't matter if its iOS/Android, Apple/Samsung, Xbox/Playstation. There's no perfect product. I love my iPad but I'm not gonna say its "perfect" There's always room for improvement.
I've stopped...
Whatever is best for that person works for me. If they don't like that I have a Mac, whatever. It no longer bothers me. I stopped defending Macs to my sisters etc., I work with a PC at work and while still don't like them, I'm okay with using them and folks who prefer them and other non-Apple tech.
My boss is so concerned about status, she felt guilty about liking the new Samsung Galaxy phone over the iPhone. I said, get the phone that's best for you, forget the rest.
Whatever is best for that person works for me. If they don't like that I have a Mac, whatever. It no longer bothers me. I stopped defending Macs to my sisters etc., I work with a PC at work and while still don't like them, I'm okay with using them and folks who prefer them and other non-Apple tech.
My boss is so concerned about status, she felt guilty about liking the new Samsung Galaxy phone over the iPhone. I said, get the phone that's best for you, forget the rest.
I sell phones daily at a telco in Australia. I have had both Apple iPhone's and android smart phones. They're both great products, made with emphasis on particular features, however, every android phone I have had has had 100x better battery life than an iPhone. Even though there is a larger screen and a more open platform, I find it hard to lie to customers by telling them they'll get longer performance from an iPhone.
But again, you're making the assumption that those features of the iPhone are important. Not a single spec that you mention will convince me that an iPhone is better. Because what is important is subjective too!
But your guess as is good as mine as to what those reasons are.
The reasons are hard to see because the question appears to be about technology. The questions are about people.
People like having choices, they like making choices, and most importantly, they like feeling good about those choices. You make a choice and someone comes along and says you you made a bad choice, that's a challenge. A challenge to your abilities and judgement, a challenge to your worth.
A variety of products serve a social function. You role up in a Bentley, there's a message. People seeing that message who can't afford the same car may feel inferior (or made to feel inferior). Someone roles is with their apple device knows they paid more and knows you laid less for your x, y, or z device. To avoid that same inferiority, it's important for your device to be better than apple's device.
This is the actual technical difference but it too is not - really. Most companies in the world start with a list of features. They figure out what you want it to do (usually as many things as possible), then figure out some kind of container to hold it all. This is a philosophy.
Apple starts with a design. The design is specific and considered. Into this design are screened a list of prospective features. Only those deemed worthy are granted admission and make it into the finished product. This is a philosophy as well.
Neither philosophy is 'correct', they're just different. Those who see value in features per dollar can pick one. Those who see value in design, can pick the other. This difference shouldn't make others feel bad but it does. But only because they already do.
I always take issues with these class envy arguments. There's a huge gulf between a guy with his $13,000 Honda being jealous of his rich neighbor's $200,000 Bentley, and a guy who bought a $350 midline Samsung smartphone becoming seethingly envious once he sees some other guy sporting the slightly more expensive $650 iPhone.
A Bentley is something your average middle class Joe could never afford. An iPhone? If you can't afford to buy one this week, all you have to do is save your cash and pick it up the next.
You're also assuming that the guy with the Honda can't afford the Bently. Sometimes, rich people don't feel the need to flaunt their money, whereas the semi-rich, the people who have to stretch to afford a Bently, drive the Bently.
Not always, but sometimes.