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People with the 2016/2017 MacBook Pro , what are your thoughts after this long time
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Hi Hale,
My 2016 MBP15 2.9 GHz, 1 TB, 460 purchased in December 2016 is the best laptop I have ever owned. No issues what so ever. Typing on the new keyboard takes a little getting used to. But once you get the right "feel" you can actually type faster. Touch Bar has limited utility.
Don Barar
My 2016 MBP15 2.9 GHz, 1 TB, 460 purchased in December 2016 is the best laptop I have ever owned. No issues what so ever. Typing on the new keyboard takes a little getting used to. But once you get the right "feel" you can actually type faster. Touch Bar has limited utility.
Don Barar
Avoid it.
Multiple keyboard failures across multiple machines; absurdly oversized trackpads that create ghost input; no magsafe is a negative; usb-c only is counter-productive; the touchbar actively impedes certain workflows; etc.
On the other hand, they look nice with the lid closed, and graphics performance (on 15" models) is notably improved.
Multiple keyboard failures across multiple machines; absurdly oversized trackpads that create ghost input; no magsafe is a negative; usb-c only is counter-productive; the touchbar actively impedes certain workflows; etc.
On the other hand, they look nice with the lid closed, and graphics performance (on 15" models) is notably improved.
I've been using the 2017-MBP 2.9 GHz i7 about six months and there are things I love and others I don't.
Love
Rob
Love
- Screen - simply beautiful screen. I do a lot of photography as a side-business and never used the laptop monitor for editing - until now. Color reproduction, brightness, and resolution are fantastic. I still love my external monitor but use the laptop more than I expected and with great results.
- Speed - really fast. The machine feels MUCH faster than previous versions and the disk I/O is crazy fast.
- Fingerprint Reader - I didn't think this was a big deal, but really like the reader. It's really fast and allows me to quickly login, make payments with ApplePay, or authenticate certain applications.
- Look - I know this is subjective, but I love the dark, metal look of the machine. I miss the light up Apple and startup sounds, but other than that, the machine looks great.
- Touchbar - eh. I like it for some things, but it's mostly a novelty. If it went away I wouldn't miss it. Doing development as my full-time gig, losing the function keys is killer, however, I'm mostly using an external keyboard with f-keys.
- Keyboard - It's a downgrade, but I'm (mostly) used to it. I find myself making more mistakes than usual, and, although I like the clicking sounds, they can be distracting in a meeting. If I experience any of the failures that others report, that would put the keyboard in the "Hate" column.
- Lack of Ports - I'm in dongle hell. One for this and one for that, and never the correct one in my pocket. Add an HDMI port and a couple USB A connectors and it would have been fine. Four USB Cs is a disaster. And yes, I REALLY miss MagSafe. Total fail.
- Cost - Simple way too expensive. I understand, "You get what you pay for", but at close to $4,000 (after adding a docking station and lots of dongles) it's far too much for a laptop.
Rob
Have the 2017 model. Best laptop I have every owned. No problems at all. Love the keyboard and trackpad.
in short, I love the 2016 15”.
Touchbar: don’t care, never used
Fingerprint reader: don’t care, never used
Touchpad: perfect! Together with MacOS the most important reason to go macbook again, maybe even number one. Love it. No ghosting, and larger than you’ll ever need so you won’t even think about size restrictions like before.
Processor:
Not always as responsive as expected, mostly due to having a desktop I7 Hackintosh available as well which is much faster.
Graphic: got the 460 and it comfortably runs Forza Horizon and Motorsport 7 under bootcamp so I’m happy.
Keyboard: Different but I like it. Perfect for fast bursts between thoughts (webdesign) and feels great to me. Very different but not worse than a proper full mechanical keyboard. Got it in december 2016, now starting to experience some double keypresses so I’ll keep a close eye on that.
Ports: no problems, usb-c cables are available for everything (cheap China stuff works too) and now I’ve treated myself to the LG 27UD88 I get a one cable charging / 4k video / keyboard / mouse connection. Don’t use much periferals anyway.
Battery is better than I’ve had before... easily can work outside for five/six hours.
Touchbar: don’t care, never used
Fingerprint reader: don’t care, never used
Touchpad: perfect! Together with MacOS the most important reason to go macbook again, maybe even number one. Love it. No ghosting, and larger than you’ll ever need so you won’t even think about size restrictions like before.
Processor:
Not always as responsive as expected, mostly due to having a desktop I7 Hackintosh available as well which is much faster.
Graphic: got the 460 and it comfortably runs Forza Horizon and Motorsport 7 under bootcamp so I’m happy.
Keyboard: Different but I like it. Perfect for fast bursts between thoughts (webdesign) and feels great to me. Very different but not worse than a proper full mechanical keyboard. Got it in december 2016, now starting to experience some double keypresses so I’ll keep a close eye on that.
Ports: no problems, usb-c cables are available for everything (cheap China stuff works too) and now I’ve treated myself to the LG 27UD88 I get a one cable charging / 4k video / keyboard / mouse connection. Don’t use much periferals anyway.
Battery is better than I’ve had before... easily can work outside for five/six hours.
So u login and admin still with password instead of touchID? Why???
That's the main thing which would make me upgrade on my rMB
I bought one but gave up using it since the keyboard is a pain in the tushie. The MBP now sits in my file cabinet.
Because different people use technology differently?
I have a base 2016 13" MBP nTB, and I'm quite happy with it. I was previously on a 2011 15" non-retina, and I love the screen! The keyboard doesn't bother me - I easily move between the laptop keyboard at work and a wired Apple keyboard at home. The trackpad is a bit large, and I occasionally get an accidental press while typing that moves my cursor to a random location, but that happens an average of less than once per week.
The portability is awesome. I love how easy it is to carry my laptop home and back, and to grab it on my way to a meeting or whatever. The cost of that is ports - Apple offloaded most I/O into the realm of adaptors. The 2 TB3 ports are plenty for my uses, but that's because I've invested in dongles at work (one for monitor + power, one for USB-A + ethernet) and a dock (sound, ethernet, USB-A, monitor, power) at home.
It's definitely a costly machine, and at the base level it's not super powerful. For processor intensive tasks, it's actually a bit slower than my old laptop (2.2 GHz quadcore then, 2.0 GHz dualcore now). Coupled with the cost of the dongles/docks to make the computer meet all of my needs, I can definitely see why the machine isn't for everyone. But if you prefer the Apple ecosystem / macOS and can afford a MBP with whatever accessories you'll need, I'd recommend these new laptops. Especially is portability is important!
I've had my current 15" since 12/2016. I first bought a base 15" right before Thanksgiving but returned it because I couldn't live with a 256 GB on a $2000+ machine. It had some battery life issues in the beginning but this was fixed by 10.12.3 IIRC. This is hands down the best notebook I have ever owned. Of course nearly $3500 with AppleCare and tax is steep no question about it. These are not affordable machines and I was able to get AppleCare for $300 for B&H. It's now $379 instead of $349 and while I haven't had any issues with it, buying any machine over $2k without an extended warranty is pretty reckless given what out of warranty repairs for this machine cost.
I actually like the keyboard and touch bar. TouchID really makes my life easier. It makes the Apple Watch unlock completely useless. I think reviewers were really overly harsh especially with respect to the 4 USB-C ports. People don't like change and this was a much bigger change than going from the unibody to retina MBP due to the new I/O and lack of physical function keys. The P3 display is great, the sound quality is improved, the SSD is fast. I only wish that Apple would've used Nvidia instead of AMD. That really is the weak link on all of these machines but eGPU support somewhat makes up for this. And 32GB of RAM would've been nice on a $3k machine as well. I don't feel like I need it, but it would've extended its useful life. I'll probably upgrade once 6-8 core CPUs and 32GB RAM are offered.
The touch bar is not a must have feature but it does offer some cool app specific features. It's not just a toy for emojis. Answering phone calls on it is a seamless experience and scrubbing through video or going into PIP with just a touch is nice.
The touchpad is the best in the business. It's extremely comfortable to use and superior to a mouse or even the Magic Trackpad. Palm rejection is really top notch.
Another benefit is the weight. It's only half a pound heavier than the previous gen 13" MacBooks. Also space grey!!! Silver is a classic look, but space grey just looks fresh. The 13" literally weighs almost nothing. 3 lbs. makes it extremely portable and if you can live without the performance of a 15" notebook, it is the superior choice.
What I don't like is that they haven't upgraded the camera to at least 1080p. It's very much the same camera from the original mid-2012 retina MBP.
My only regret is not waiting for the 2017 refresh which came much sooner than I thought it would. Kaby Lake would've been nice to have. It doesn't provide a huge improvement in performance but it does have 10-bit 4K HEVC hardware decoding which is cool. IMO the 13" base model with function keys is the one that benefitted the most from the refresh due to faster 2133 Mhz RAM vs. 1866 MHz and $200 lower price albeit with half the storage although the option is there for those on a tighter budget.
I actually like the keyboard and touch bar. TouchID really makes my life easier. It makes the Apple Watch unlock completely useless. I think reviewers were really overly harsh especially with respect to the 4 USB-C ports. People don't like change and this was a much bigger change than going from the unibody to retina MBP due to the new I/O and lack of physical function keys. The P3 display is great, the sound quality is improved, the SSD is fast. I only wish that Apple would've used Nvidia instead of AMD. That really is the weak link on all of these machines but eGPU support somewhat makes up for this. And 32GB of RAM would've been nice on a $3k machine as well. I don't feel like I need it, but it would've extended its useful life. I'll probably upgrade once 6-8 core CPUs and 32GB RAM are offered.
The touch bar is not a must have feature but it does offer some cool app specific features. It's not just a toy for emojis. Answering phone calls on it is a seamless experience and scrubbing through video or going into PIP with just a touch is nice.
The touchpad is the best in the business. It's extremely comfortable to use and superior to a mouse or even the Magic Trackpad. Palm rejection is really top notch.
Another benefit is the weight. It's only half a pound heavier than the previous gen 13" MacBooks. Also space grey!!! Silver is a classic look, but space grey just looks fresh. The 13" literally weighs almost nothing. 3 lbs. makes it extremely portable and if you can live without the performance of a 15" notebook, it is the superior choice.
What I don't like is that they haven't upgraded the camera to at least 1080p. It's very much the same camera from the original mid-2012 retina MBP.
My only regret is not waiting for the 2017 refresh which came much sooner than I thought it would. Kaby Lake would've been nice to have. It doesn't provide a huge improvement in performance but it does have 10-bit 4K HEVC hardware decoding which is cool. IMO the 13" base model with function keys is the one that benefitted the most from the refresh due to faster 2133 Mhz RAM vs. 1866 MHz and $200 lower price albeit with half the storage although the option is there for those on a tighter budget.
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Well your ntb machine doesn't support it. But User paaj said he'd never used touchID on his 15". That's why I asked. Basically like not using it on the iPhone and still entering password by hitting keys.
It's not that this typewriter technology is by any means faster, more secure, ergonomic or offers any advantage to touchID which he already paid for. IMHO
I enter the passcode on my phone about as frequently as I use touchID. It depends on what I'm doing with my device and where my hands will be. I can imagine sitting down to type, putting your hands on the keyboard, and entering your password. Now your hands are already prepared for the typing you were going to do. Not to mention that some people have been entering computer passwords for decades, and the muscle memory is quite strong. I enter my password without thinking, and it's probably as fast as situating my finger in a non-home-row position on the keyboard.
You seem to love touchID. That's great! Enjoy this technology. But don't be so surprised that not everyone enjoys the same features in the same way.
You seem to love touchID. That's great! Enjoy this technology. But don't be so surprised that not everyone enjoys the same features in the same way.
True. Sure when it doesn't work for u I understand.
But if he never used it he didn't try. u buy a multi thousand dollar device, hang out in this tech forums and than u don't try? That's weird.
Anyway it's getting OT
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For those who think that the keyboards are NOT an issue (such as "... but my uncle's 2017 is working just fine"):
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewansp...dirty-butterfly-broken-keyboard/#51cde76a3fca
http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-macbook-pro-keyboard-fix-is-absurd-2017-10
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/macbook-pro-keyboard-failure-rate-double-older-models/
http://bgr.com/2017/10/19/macbook-pro-2017-keyboard-not-working/
https://9to5mac.com/2018/05/03/macbook-pro-keyboard-petition/
https://theoutline.com/post/2402/the-new-macbook-keyboard-is-ruining-my-life?zd=1&zi=amvd3fcu
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/02/21/2016-macbook-pro-keyboard-issues/
https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/apple-macbook-pro-recall-petition?utm_source=notification
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewansp...dirty-butterfly-broken-keyboard/#51cde76a3fca
http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-macbook-pro-keyboard-fix-is-absurd-2017-10
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/macbook-pro-keyboard-failure-rate-double-older-models/
http://bgr.com/2017/10/19/macbook-pro-2017-keyboard-not-working/
https://9to5mac.com/2018/05/03/macbook-pro-keyboard-petition/
https://theoutline.com/post/2402/the-new-macbook-keyboard-is-ruining-my-life?zd=1&zi=amvd3fcu
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/02/21/2016-macbook-pro-keyboard-issues/
https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/apple-macbook-pro-recall-petition?utm_source=notification
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We’ll technically I have set it up and tried it, but it is just slower for me because I’ll put in my password within a second without moving my hands around. It’s just ‘too far’ from regular working position. Half the time I work on en external keyboard and monitor making it even less useful.
Same with the touchbar: I’ll have to look away from my screen to find functions that are mostly keycombination replacements for things I know already.
Same with the touchbar: I’ll have to look away from my screen to find functions that are mostly keycombination replacements for things I know already.
I originally bought a TB version for the touch id but realized logging in with my apple watch was even faster so returned it for a nTB version. I know a few people who have the TB and dont use Touchid for the same reason.
As for my 2017, I love it. Runs my business software better than any windows pc I have. Trackpad is perfect, zero ghosting. Keyboard is different but I type much faster on it. Battery life is excellent. Love the USB-C ports as well.
I ordered a 2016 13" with Touch Bar minutes after the keynote ended, so it's been my main machine for about 18 months now. I'm a university student, so do a lot of student-y things like note-taking, essay writing, etc. but also co-run a small business creating iOS software and have a part-time job creating marketing materials (flyers, promo videos, short animations) for an author. Therefore my ideal laptop is thin and light enough to carry around campus all day without needing to bring the charger, whilst also being capable of running apps like Adobe's Creative Suite, FCP and Xcode.
It's, obviously, the best laptop I've ever owned, but I think if you're buying anything new that tends to be the case. What I really like is the design, especially the size and weight - coming from a non-Retina 2011 15", it was like night and day. It is also plenty fast enough for day-to-day tasks thanks to the SSD speed. I find that it does occasionally struggle when compiling anything more than simple projects in Xcode (nothing too major, but it might beachball for a few seconds), but I knew when buying it I was making a conscious choice of prioritising portability over power.
The screen is really fantastic, and it's a joy to use out and about. At home, I have it connected to a Thunderbolt Display, as even though the resolution is lower I don't think you can beat the sheer amount of space it gives you for work.
The keyboard is obviously a divisive issue. When it works, I personally think it's the best keyboard I've used. My typing speed is quicker by about 5 wpm compared to the Magic Keyboard. However, I have had issues with a key feeling 'dead' which Apple had to service. It's difficult to overtly recommend the keyboard at the moment, but unlike some I wouldn't want to see a return to pre-2016 keyboards - instead, they just need to make this one more reliable.
The Touch Bar is useful-ish, I think on the whole I prefer it to function keys just for the ability to customise them. Some app-specific ones are useful, for example video scrubbing, Emoji input and autofill. I don't use it quite as much as I first expected, but it's definitely not a negative. Touch ID, on the other hand, is great and I use it often.
I don't really mind the ports being all Thunderbolt 3. Charging on both sides is a plus. I do carry around a couple of dongles (USB-C to USB-A, USB-C to Lightning cable and USB-C to SD), but honestly with AirDrop, wireless printers, Bluetooth headphones, etc. I'm finding I rarely plug anything into my laptop nowadays save for the charger and external display (which, admittedly, I do have two FireWire 800 drives plugged into). The SD slot is probably the only port I would have really liked to see them keep.
Overall, I'm really happy with it. I use it for everything I do (think I've put 520 cycles on the battery in roughly the same number of days - this basically goes with me everywhere), and so it's pretty important that it all works well. The only worry is whether the keyboard will fail in the future. If you do buy one (and I would on balance recommend it), AppleCare is probably the way to go. I would be really surprised if Apple didn't initiate a repair programme like they did for 2011 GPUs at some point, however.
It's, obviously, the best laptop I've ever owned, but I think if you're buying anything new that tends to be the case. What I really like is the design, especially the size and weight - coming from a non-Retina 2011 15", it was like night and day. It is also plenty fast enough for day-to-day tasks thanks to the SSD speed. I find that it does occasionally struggle when compiling anything more than simple projects in Xcode (nothing too major, but it might beachball for a few seconds), but I knew when buying it I was making a conscious choice of prioritising portability over power.
The screen is really fantastic, and it's a joy to use out and about. At home, I have it connected to a Thunderbolt Display, as even though the resolution is lower I don't think you can beat the sheer amount of space it gives you for work.
The keyboard is obviously a divisive issue. When it works, I personally think it's the best keyboard I've used. My typing speed is quicker by about 5 wpm compared to the Magic Keyboard. However, I have had issues with a key feeling 'dead' which Apple had to service. It's difficult to overtly recommend the keyboard at the moment, but unlike some I wouldn't want to see a return to pre-2016 keyboards - instead, they just need to make this one more reliable.
The Touch Bar is useful-ish, I think on the whole I prefer it to function keys just for the ability to customise them. Some app-specific ones are useful, for example video scrubbing, Emoji input and autofill. I don't use it quite as much as I first expected, but it's definitely not a negative. Touch ID, on the other hand, is great and I use it often.
I don't really mind the ports being all Thunderbolt 3. Charging on both sides is a plus. I do carry around a couple of dongles (USB-C to USB-A, USB-C to Lightning cable and USB-C to SD), but honestly with AirDrop, wireless printers, Bluetooth headphones, etc. I'm finding I rarely plug anything into my laptop nowadays save for the charger and external display (which, admittedly, I do have two FireWire 800 drives plugged into). The SD slot is probably the only port I would have really liked to see them keep.
Overall, I'm really happy with it. I use it for everything I do (think I've put 520 cycles on the battery in roughly the same number of days - this basically goes with me everywhere), and so it's pretty important that it all works well. The only worry is whether the keyboard will fail in the future. If you do buy one (and I would on balance recommend it), AppleCare is probably the way to go. I would be really surprised if Apple didn't initiate a repair programme like they did for 2011 GPUs at some point, however.
I have had a similar experience to many others on this forum. I bought a 2016 13" nTB in November 2016 - absolutely loved its portability, battery life, screen, keyboard, and overall snappiness. Besides chugging a bit in some light video editing, it was the perfect machine for me. I am a professional writer and filmmaker, and I do quite a bit of traveling. It was really the updated retina MacBook Air I had been hoping for.
However, despite my constant care, I had a dreaded keyboard failure right before the holidays in 2017. Thankfully, I had purchased AppleCare, and Apple replaced my keyboard free of charge. After 4-5 days without a working machine, I received it back with the updated 2017 keyboard (new top case, trackpad and battery all come with it). Fast forward three months, and the machine was hit with another keyboard malfunction. Then a third a week later.
After some convincing, Apple offered to send me a replacement machine free of charge. I am now typing this on a similar 2017 nTB model. I love this machine just as much as the first, but I know that another keyboard failure is not far away. At the moment, I still love MacOS and feel that Apple makes the best-looking laptops on the planet, but this keyboard issue is not overblown. It is real and it's a real shame.
Would I still recommend it? If you are in the Apple Ecosystem and want to stay, then the MBP or MacBooks are really your only options for a modern machine that plays seamlessly with iPhone, Apple Watch, Apple TV, AirPods etc. I do still adore this machine. However, AppleCare and some patience are new required accessories.
However, despite my constant care, I had a dreaded keyboard failure right before the holidays in 2017. Thankfully, I had purchased AppleCare, and Apple replaced my keyboard free of charge. After 4-5 days without a working machine, I received it back with the updated 2017 keyboard (new top case, trackpad and battery all come with it). Fast forward three months, and the machine was hit with another keyboard malfunction. Then a third a week later.
After some convincing, Apple offered to send me a replacement machine free of charge. I am now typing this on a similar 2017 nTB model. I love this machine just as much as the first, but I know that another keyboard failure is not far away. At the moment, I still love MacOS and feel that Apple makes the best-looking laptops on the planet, but this keyboard issue is not overblown. It is real and it's a real shame.
Would I still recommend it? If you are in the Apple Ecosystem and want to stay, then the MBP or MacBooks are really your only options for a modern machine that plays seamlessly with iPhone, Apple Watch, Apple TV, AirPods etc. I do still adore this machine. However, AppleCare and some patience are new required accessories.
One year in: Bring back the pre-2016 keyboards, including physical ESC and function keys. Keep Touch ID, but lose the TouchBar and it would be a perfect machine (at least for me).
One question - do you own one? Or you just read a lot about it?
I actually own 2017 version and cannot say anything bad about it. Best laptop I ever own. Love usb-c port versatility (although I use only power and Samsung T5 ssd with that). Love big and comfortable track pad. Keyboard after two weeks of use is better than others. It's very thin and light for that size and power. I highly recommend it.
I thought they could bring back the function keys etc, and put the touch bar above them. Best of both worlds, and both camps are happy.
They should also make the TB more useful and turn it into a notification area (stock ticker, display weather, incoming texts etc).
Are you still using 4 digit pin or you type the whole +10 digits/letters password? Kudos for that! I cannot do it with my 12 places password (digits, letters, special characters). I'd rather use faceid or touchid - i am pissed when I am forced to type the whole password from time to time.
I own a 2016 and a 2017. I use a 2014 and use it in preference.
I know a lot of people here think I am some sort of Apple defender but I'm not going to let that influence my answer just to make myself more "acceptable" by the crowd here. I can honestly say that I love mine. I did have some problems with my spacebar, but it is under AC so I had the keyboard replaced.
Other than that, it's lighter, feels sturdier and more solid than my previous one, it works fast without getting too warm or loud (running Zbrush, 3D Coat, Blender and Photoshop). The screen is great, best laptop screen I've seen (yes, including the XPS ones on Dell, though this is a personal preference) - the wide color and brightness are great, best speakers on a laptop I've heard and by far the best trackpad I've used. Also, I am one of the people who actually prefers the Touch Bar to function keys.
I love the feel of the keyboard. I really don't like being scared it will fail, but as for the feel itself, it's the best keyboard I've used. I hope Apple solves the reliability issues, but I don't want a different feeling keyboard. It's stable and has a pleasant clicky feel.
I also love USB-C. I actually needed more USB ports that provide power on my previous MBP. I got a few USB-C cables and it just works great. My Intuos Pro is USB-C, for example. Also, if I get one of the new Cintiqs, they work best on USB-C by far. With all the benefits of USB-C, I still find it hard to believe people prefer the old ports just because they need some new cables or an adapter or two. If I could magically have all the old ports on this computer and just one or two USB-C ports, or what I have now - I would choose what I have now. 4 of the best ports ever made.
As for the charger - after using this computer for more than a year, I prefer it to the old one. A friend needed to replace his older 87W charger the other day because of a frayed cable. I just realized how I could just replace the cable. I also love, love, love charging from either side. And I love the fact that I can charge my Switch with it too.
So, yeah, I really love my MBP and enjoy using it every day.
MBP 15" touchbar, late 2016 here.
My views:
I feel that premium Windows laptops have caught up with Macbooks, and even surpased them in some instances (touch screens, 2-in-1 hybrids, etc), and Apple better get their act together with their next generation...
My views:
- Keyboard reliability issues are real: after reading about it on the internet, mine broke too.
- It is the most beautiful and well put together laptop in the market, bar none. The space grey is gorgeous.
- Trackpad, like all macs, is best in industry. However, it is unnecessarily huge. No need for such size: it doesnt add to the confort.
- Batery life is so-so, about 5 hours of real world use: skype, browsing, etc
- The touchbar is an absolute gimmick: I never managed to find any real, productive use for it.
- Speakers are amazing: loud and full.
- Screen in gorgeous: crispy and bright. Colors pop and are very accurate.
- All USB-c ports: I dont mind it. I hardly ever use non-bluetooth perifericals anymore, and on the rare ocassion I do, I dont mind popping out the dongle.
- Price wise: overpriced, no way around that. I paid almost $3,000 for mine, and I feel it was around $600 too expensive for the specs.
I feel that premium Windows laptops have caught up with Macbooks, and even surpased them in some instances (touch screens, 2-in-1 hybrids, etc), and Apple better get their act together with their next generation...
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