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Re: Re: i'm a dickh**d

Originally posted by nationElectric
First off, matters of taste: I have heard Aphex Twin, I do like them...

Would you buy their whole catelogue? or just Aphex Twin? You do not represent the general public I'm afraid and personal taste is - just that, personal taste and that was not my point but only serve as a way to show profit was the point.

So, their songs are a whopping US$.36 more, aren't DRM'ed, are encoded at higher quality than iTMS, and half of the profit goes directly to the artist

U$.36extra x 10tracks = US$3.6extra and that my friend is a rip-off for any compressed format and it proves MY point that it also reflects how much they rip the fans off (as a direct reflection to their CD prices);

And yes they maybe encoded at a higher rate, but so what? It's all just beeps n' bangs, all digital in the first place... why not just buy their CDs then if you're so concerned with it?

Half the profit goes to the artist, now, tell me where does the other half go? Is that fair? com'on now, after all, following your logic, why should a lable get any if all they are doing is repackage an artist's work and putting it online? couldn't we just buy it from (for example) Richard D James (Aka. Aphex Twin)'s site? who's ripping who off? and how critical are you really?

That aside, you're basically making my case for me. By stepping outside of the system -- a system which might refuse to even acknowledge them -- they're better off, their customers are better off, and their artists are better off. It sounds like the only reasons you resent them so much is that you don't like their catalog, and they're not owned by Apple. Which is fine and all, but it's not exactly an argument against them.

Do you live in the real world my friend? 'cos the last time I checked, in the real world we are constarined by common laws and other systems of law, if we don't follow them, nothing would get produced, no one would get paid, think of the big picture than your own little idiology what most would not only laugh at you, but if you fringe upon them you could loose all your freedom of thought/act (I wouldn't want you to go to prison dude).

I don't resent Warp at all, matter of fact I own ****loads of their catelogue on CD (I used Aphex Twin as an example 'cos he's prob the most well known form such a lable), I was only pointing out the general public could careless of their music (and more so, if it's ON-LINE) because firstly I don't defend my taste in music, but I UNDERSTAND music (much like how a DJ knows what to play to keep the crowd happy) plus, what they produce are still very eclectic at this point in time so it's not for everyone...

Maybe in the future they will learn by having the catelogue on say iTMS, they could get more exposure and make more profit in the long run. They are a lable after all (regardless of fame or size).

Pls think again!
 
Re: Re: Re: Free my whatsit

Originally posted by Belly-laughs
Yes. Being the ones sued is bad luck. Of course, what came later isn´t.

I agree, bad signals all over.

Your previous post stated "These kids are in it just because of their bad luck . . ."

They were not sued "just because of their bad luck." It is not as if they were just randomly selected. These kids was pirating music and distributing it on a fairly large scale. It was not just a couple songs; they were each dealing with hundreds or thousands of songs.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Free my whatsit

Originally posted by theRebel
Your previous post stated "These kids are in it just because of their bad luck . . ."

They were not sued "just because of their bad luck." It is not as if they were just randomly selected. These kids was pirating music and distributing it on a fairly large scale. It was not just a couple songs; they were each dealing with hundreds or thousands of songs.

Fair enough. They´re in it because they got caught.

I was in my original post only trying to explain why I don´t feel this ad will be able to hold an "Ellen Feiss" status. And luck, good or bad, was not intended to get the point across.
 
I think you guys are missing the big deal here, and would appear to be fighting over (you know who you are :D) pretty petty things.

The big deal here is the fact that tens of thousands of people that have never heard of iTunes or the iTMS (let alone Apple in some cases) will be winning a product that will involve them, and let's be clear on this because it gets me all excited andl warm feeling inside, Going to Apple.com, surfing the site to DL iTunes, and then using iTunes. Can you guys not see how HUGE this is?!!

70% market share is about to make a huge jump...
do we have figures on how many people Pepsi claims buy their product? Do we know how many indavidules have bought music?

I bet a pretty large percentage of the purchased music is still Apple users...there is a percentage I want to see DROP :D

Earendil
Tyler
 
I don't like the idea for this ad at all. I might change my mind once I see it. I just don't see how this is going to appeal to the target audience. The buzz from it will increase sales in the short term. However, if done poorly it could make both Pepsi and Apple appear a lot less "cool" in the minds of consumers.
 
Originally posted by yamabushi
I don't like the idea for this ad at all. I might change my mind once I see it. I just don't see how this is going to appeal to the target audience. The buzz from it will increase sales in the short term. However, if done poorly it could make both Pepsi and Apple appear a lot less "cool" in the minds of consumers.
Please explain why, yamabushi. Pepsi drinkers will like to win something free, even if they have to download some free software to use it. Some Coke (or other) drinkers might switch to Pepsi and find they like it. Apple may not gain any "cool" points by the association with Pepsi, which is just a run-of-the-mill drink, but there's nothing "uncool" about Pepsi either. I'm not saying you are wrong, but I just don't see the downside.
 
Originally posted by Earendil
I think you guys are missing the big deal here, and would appear to be fighting over (you know who you are :D) pretty petty things.

The big deal here is the fact that tens of thousands of people that have never heard of iTunes or the iTMS (let alone Apple in some cases) will be winning a product that will involve them, and let's be clear on this because it gets me all excited andl warm feeling inside, Going to Apple.com, surfing the site to DL iTunes, and then using iTunes. Can you guys not see how HUGE this is?!!

70% market share is about to make a huge jump...
do we have figures on how many people Pepsi claims buy their product? Do we know how many indavidules have bought music?

I bet a pretty large percentage of the purchased music is still Apple users...there is a percentage I want to see DROP :D

Absolutely. 80 Million Americans watching the Superbowl and all paying extra special attention to the advertising (never mind the game) in the ad breaks. Pepsi's extra special Superbowl ad comes on flashing a FREE song give away from the internet when you purchase a Pepsi drink with a 1 in 3 chance of winning. If that doesnt double or quaduple iTMS market penetration/mindshare in the US nothing will.

Earendil
Tyler
 
snooze fest 2004

Boring!

In the ad, [Annie] Leith holds a Pepsi and proclaims: "We are still going to download music for free off the Internet." Then the announcer says how: "Announcing the Pepsi iTunes Giveaway.
That is quite the letdown, that and the 20th going by with nothing...

:rolleyes:
 
I agree with Doctor Q, this promotion will be a win win situation for Apple & Pepsi. iTunes has already been proven to be a winner. Now more will be introduced to the Music Store.
 
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