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The numbers look impressive but 2 mins real-world gains...factoring the cost does not seem like true value.

Again if you're coming from Intel then by all means. But if you already have an M series chip then really there's less incentive

Unless you have an esoteric workflow thats takes advantage of every minutae of performance gain

...or just have have disposable income.
Apples biggest competitor is itself. lol
 
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Well, they should just educate themselves and do better. Honestly, all youtubers can do these days is final cut and video exporting as that is what they use. Everything else and it shows how much they don't know about.
Hence why these reviews are totally useless for most professionals.

Not to mention their bloody clickbaits (like Maxtech - which I've stopped watching because of that)


Yes, this is what has to happen in these reviews. The trouble is the bloggers don't know much about how computers are used so all they are really qualified to do is download a benchmark app and click on it. A real journalist would go out and find professionals who do use computers for work and interview them about what they do and then have different kinds of them try the new computer and summarize how each kind of use case could benefit or not from an upgrade. But this kind of original research takes hours and days and weeks while clicking a benchmark app takes only a minute or two.

That said, blame this on the readers (you and I) we don't want to pay for quality content and prefer free crap.
 
Well, you are closer to the truth that you intended with your snipe comment - since Apple clearly pitched m3 to the intel crowd, the proper comparison should have been with the last Intel MBPs and not m1 or m2. Apple has a crystal clear knowledge of the size of the installed base still using MBPs running of Intel chips and overheating the world and the goal of m3 is move those hundreds of thousands of users to Apple silicone. It was clear to those with half a brain in 2020 that Apple silicone will need several years to mature both as chip and as an environment. Likely. few of those "rocket scientist" decided to commit to the change at that time but now, three years down the road, the time is right.
At apples pricing they are not brining many over to their side. Sadly. When you can buy a $500 laptop that will last six years with windows and do everything you need it to do. Apple has an uphill battle with adoption rates.

 
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From watching the introduction a couple weeks ago, they were really hammering on the whole theme of “Intel Mac users, time to upgrade!”. I got a very strong hint that Intel support goes away in the next major Mac OS version.

I agree that unless someone is really pushing the limits of existing Apple silicon hardware (maybe looking to upgrade product tiers because of that), the M3 MBP’s are a pretty incremental upgrade from the end-user standpoint.
Hopefully intel support will be around for a few more years. The Intel Mac Pro was still being sold in June this year.
 
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At apples pricing they are not brining many over to their side. Sadly. When you can buy a $500 laptop that will last six years with windows and do everything you need it to do. Apple has an uphill battle with adoption rates.
I am not talking about Windoze Intels, of course, here.
 

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I’m gonna be the party-pooper here.

All this whining and moaning that M3, or M2, doesn’t bat-it-out-of-the-park like M1 did is ridiculous. Did anyone really think the successive generations of M-series were really going to be as consistently dramatic as the first? If you did then the flaw is in your unrealistic expections.

This is little different from the bitching that Apple hasn’t switched all its accessories to USB-C. Big frickin’ deal!

In real world tests the M3s are averaging easily 20 percent better or more from M2. Thats nothing to sneeze at. And M2s were about 15 percent better than M1s. When did Intel or AMD give you those upgrades from generation to generation? Hell when did Intel or AMD improve their processor performance about 30 percent plus over a three year period?

In the real world rarely does tech take a huge leap forward. For more often it’s incremental gain from one year to another. You don’t buy a computer every year or two. It’s more like easily five years before you think about upgrading unless something nasty renders your device unusable and irreparable.

Some here are complaining for the sake of complaining with little to no justification.
 
Is this the first Apple product to be compared to a product two generations older than it?
nope. but usually they compare with it with previous model at the same time as early models.

Who cares? This marketing isn't aimed at MBP/MBA M2 owners.

Their market is those looking to upgrade are either on M1 or lower end M2 quite similar to higher end M1 or intel. they're trying to lure people to the M3 family rather than them buying discounted or second hand M2/M1 products because their high-end intel or low-end M1/M2 cant drive the macOS and heavy duty apps they use all the time anymore. And PC users?
 
Hopefully intel support will be around for a few more years. The Intel Mac Pro was still being sold in June this year.
With luck. The 2012 Mac Pro was sold for most of 2013, OS support stopped at High Sierra (released in 2017) unless you updated the video card. Apple was too cheap to write a Metal driver for their standard video card on that rather expansive machine.

The 2014 Mini was sold for most of 2018, it is currently on extended Monterey support, Monterey shipped in 2021.

More to the point, the last PPC Macs shipped in 2006, Support for them was dropped in 2009 with Snow Leopard.

So a few more years for Intel is likely. Very few.
 
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Small gains… Apple just did such a great job with the m1max you don’t need to upgrade.

Even MKBHD cancelled his m3max macbook order. To me that speaks volumes.
Some of those gains are not that small. I certainly understand why some M1 Max owners would not upgrade...but it's also totally understandable why others are doing it.
 
The numbers look impressive but 2 mins real-world gains...factoring the cost does not seem like true value.

Again if you're coming from Intel then by all means. But if you already have an M series chip then really there's less incentive

Unless you have an esoteric workflow thats takes advantage of every minutae of performance gain

...or just have have disposable income.
To each his own. Personally, the gains are much better than I anticipated. "Disappointment" is what we got with the M3 Pro compared to the M2 Pro....This is not a disappointment at all.
 
I have an M1 Max MacBook Pro from launch in 2021, so it’s just about two years old.

I went for 64GB RAM and a 2TB SSD, which still seems to be a decent spec.

I see that the M3 Max appears to outperform my machine by about 30%. Even so, I’m still more than happy with its performance and I expect I’ll get another two or three years out of it before it’s handed down to a family member.

I think in two to three years the M1 Max will still be crazily overpowered for your family member :D
 
The numbers look impressive but 2 mins real-world gains...factoring the cost does not seem like true value.

Again if you're coming from Intel then by all means. But if you already have an M series chip then really there's less incentive

Unless you have an esoteric workflow thats takes advantage of every minutae of performance gain

...or just have have disposable income.

Disagree that a 50% improvement in speed does not seem like true value. What is your basis of comparison to state that? If you are web browsing, not going to notice. Exporting an 8K movie from a Canon R5, you are going to notice a massive difference. Using blender on a movie, a 70% reduction in processing is massive.

Has everyone gotten punch drunk? I remember when Intel-based upgrades on processors were adding 5% to 12% in performance and all the pundits were pleased. Apple changes direction with its chips and suddenly if it is not a 50% increase or 100% increase in performance, it is not worth it? NVidia releases a new GPU with 25% increase in render speed and people are ecstatic, Apple releases M3 Max and you all go “ho-hum”, such a waste, I will wait until the M9 chip when I get a decent upgrade.

Consider the value of your time. For a professional editing run, we value our time at $250 to $400 per hour billable to the client. Exporting a video clip that normally takes 5.5 hours or more and it takes 1 hour 40 minutes provides an opportunity cost of ($400*5.5) - ($400*1.65) = $400 * 3.85 = $1,540. At $250 it is opportunity cost savings on $962.50.

Certainly there is slip in the numbers, let’s assume 40%. So opportunity savings are only $924 per run. With the $250 rate the savings are only $577.50. Only …. Assuming a $5,099 cost for a machine, certainly a lot of money I admit, the new machine is paid for in 5.52 client projects at $400 and at $250 per hour it is 8.83 client projects.

That is how people and companies justify new machines. Time has value.


I would upgrade if it took 15 client jobs to be honest.
 
Certainly the empirical evidence provided by benchmark testing is of value to those professional users making their living with processor-intensive taskware.

To most of us, benchmarks mean little to nothing. What matters is the real world user experience. That means for the overwhelming majority of Apple consumers, an M3 Max provides little if any advantage over the M1 Max, especially if they already have an M1 Max.
 
I would love to see the Blender Render Test GPU. My 2019 MacBook Pro 16" with 6900 XT in eGPU renders it in 40 sec which is substantially faster than the result you show so I think you did CPU. CPU did it in 9:20 sec
 
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