Permanent Esc key on 2016 MBP Magic Toolbar?

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  1. Appleaker macrumors 68020

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    The positioning of the 'cancel' button on the Magic Toolbar has been strange, but it could suggest a fixed escape key.

    By this, I mean one that is a software key although present throughout all functions, such as Apple Pay.

    The above is the most likely option, however it would be interesting if Apple implemented 2 physical keys/buttons either side of the Magic Toolbar (right for escape, and left for power/TouchID). There is a very subtle difference in shading between the cancel button and the black area, so maybe this is the case?
     
  2. hawkeye_a macrumors 6502a

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    I'm not a fan of the missing escape key or even a software escape key. What happens if the software glitches/locks up? No escape until you restart? Oh wait.... there's no physical power button either.... i guess you will have to remove the power chord and battery...oh wait.... ugh

    Im stoked for every other update.... smaller bezel and footprint, new keyboard, new display, new guts, new ports.... but that missing escape and power keys seem to unnecessarily make users dependent on the reliability of software(which manages the toolbar)....all for what? visual symmetry?
     
  3. Appleaker thread starter macrumors 68020

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    I agree with you, although there is an option to assign the escape key to another key. However that removed the function of the other key...

    Thankfully the power button is physical or if you're right then it could be pressure sensitive but I do think it needs to be a physical button anyway.
     
  4. MVMNT macrumors member

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    Future handoff feature.

    Power off your machine from your device?
     
  5. hawkeye_a macrumors 6502a

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    As far as the 'computer-human-interfce'.... whats the point of this toolbar? What could it "do" that couldn't be achieved with current keyboard function keys?

    TouchID is great...IMHO they should have put it onto the existing power button. If they wanted to customize keyboards they should have opted for an entire eInk type keyboard, where the function keys change as well. (But not things like the Escape/Tab/caps/Shift/Return keys, etc)

    This "Magic Toolbar" is a complication, an obstacle, dare I say, a gimmick to using the machine. IMHO
     
  6. Appleaker thread starter macrumors 68020

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    That seems to make sense for desktops, as it would be part of the Home app.
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    Yeah it'll be a gimmick and that's all review will talk about. It does provide extra functionality but at a trade-off to many Pro users. An e-ink display would have been an option that everybody would be happy with and it could be applied to the whole keyboard.
     
  7. MVMNT macrumors member

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    What else has been magic so far in Apple's inventory.

    Mouse. Trackpad.

    How have they fared?
     
  8. Scary Spice macrumors regular

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    This is a great opportunity for the accessory companies. They will make an escape key dongle that goes into the USB-C plug, just like the dongles for the mb!

    TAKE MY MONEY LOGITECH!
     
  9. Goatllama macrumors 6502a

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    They've fared pretty well, haven't they.......?

    In any case, physical buttons (or alternative methods) for both of these somewhat vital keys are a must. We'll see pretty soon what solution has been applied.
     
  10. Bryan Bowler macrumors 68040

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    A ton. You'll see. :)
     
  11. therealseebs macrumors 65816

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    Trackpad's okay, the mouse was sort of bad. I haven't used an Apple-branded mouse in years at least partially as a result of the Magic Mouse.
     
  12. Appleaker thread starter macrumors 68020

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    Like this:
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    I can't believe we are at the point where we have to plug in pieces of the keyboard.
     
  13. dogslobber macrumors 68030

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    Enough already, Apple. People are getting sick to the back teeth of your courageous decisions. If the MBP doesn't have an escape key then I will never buy a MBP.
     
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    We're already there. I was shocked when I upgraded from a 2006 MBP and found that the Fn-accessed numeric keypad was gone.
     
  15. Scary Spice macrumors regular

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    Where did you find this pic? If it is real, it looks dangerous if you try to close the lid on it!
     
  16. leman macrumors G3

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    Can we wait another 10 hours before complaining? I'm sure they though of the escape key ;)
     
  17. kiancheong macrumors member

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    Why display Cancel on the OLED bar if there's already an Escape key next to it? That'll just lead to #DoublEscGate.
     
  18. Appleaker thread starter macrumors 68020

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    Don't worry, it's just a render by Martin Hajek - The same person who did the widely used MacBook Pro renders.
    But you bring up a good point - If (or I should say when) that accessory is made, it would have to be put in every time you want to use it, and taken out when you're done, and put in your adapter bag (if it can fit).
     
  19. leman macrumors G3

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    People are weird... o_O
     
  20. hawkeye_a macrumors 6502a

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    No! Those 10 hours are precious for me to complain!!!! ;)

    Apple may as well have an "out" for this issue, or they might as well have good reason to do it. But IMHO...changing such a fundamental usage pattern that has been around for almost as long as keyboards have is frustrating. It would be akin to them finding a different layout for the keys on the keyboard.... they could have all the research to support the change, all the good intentions, etc... but would it warrant such a disruption for users? "Just because they can do something, doesn't mean that they should".

    I suspect such "features" are the product of the "yes men" culture of the post-Steve Apple.

    I am eager to see how the thing works. but so far i see it as a gimmick, an unnecessary complication and expense on the product (like 3D touch on the iPhone). If they need to "highlight" touchID when its waiting for a fingerprint to read, they could have had a pulsating light on the powerbutton with TouchID, they dont need an additional screen to get a user's attention, which removes existing functionality(keys) IMHO.

    Worst case for users, is they buy an external USB keyboard(and additional dock to USB-C) to try and ignore that bar. I was fine with them getting rid of the floppy, the CD/DVD drive, etc...but the escape key and power button might be too far IMHO.... we'll see. /end rant
     
  21. dv8r macrumors 6502

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    "The Escape key is ancient, it needs to die, so we courageously removed it."

    That kind of thinking?
     
  22. leman macrumors G3

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    I think the escape key will be there as usually, but apps might be flexible to override it with something else they need. For instance, TextMate uses escape for auto-completion. It would be neat if it could spell that out (maybe even with a hint for what it could autocomplete it to) in the bar instead.

    Of course its a gimmick :p But so is HiDPI display, wide gamut screen, ergonomic keyboards etc etc. These things are not really nessessary and we can do without them. But these gimmicks can also make our lives easier and nicer. It remains to be seen whether this will also be true for the touchbar. I can potentially see some neat applications for it.

    3D touch is amazing! It adds an entire dimension to the user interaction. I find it very useful.
     
  23. Appleaker thread starter macrumors 68020

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    "But if you're stuck in the past and would like a physical escape key, we offer a great external escape key for just $29"
     
  24. mctrials23 macrumors 6502

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    I'm amazed that some of the people in this thread haven't thrown themselves off a bridge when they run out of milk. What if my local shop doesn't have the one I like!

    If apple ever remove the home button from the iphone there will be people genuinely panicking about how they will exit apps. I'll let you in on a secret.... Apple know we need a power button and esc button. They also know that we need a way to hard reset the laptop if it freezes up.
     
  25. SparkFlash macrumors 6502

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    Im sure there must be something included for the escape key. lol
     

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